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17 Oct 2009 12:12 pm
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I’ve been thinking of a few suggestions/problems and also reviewing some suggestions made by others on Feedback. If anyone has any suggestions or concerns to add, please feel free to add ideas.

1. The main section (moviecodec.com): Anonymous complained back in June about people who were spamming the main site with ads. He made it sound as if he were leaving, and he hasn’t been back since.

If he’s not coming back (which it looks like), we really could use an admin with technical know-how for the main site. I’ve been working to clean up some of the spam/ads, but I don’t have Anonymous' degree of technological knowledge.

2. Revision of the rules. It’s been mentioned several times, by various people, that the rules could use revision. Some of the rules could use clarification, perhaps with admin/mod and user input.

3. Warning system. It would be helpful for both admin and forum members to have a warning system in place, where everyone can see that a warning was made. It might be too much coding, but in addition to this it would be nice if when a ban is made there were a way to give a reason. This would help other admin know what’s going on, and also inform the member why he/she was banned.

4. Following the above suggestion, it might be nice to have a system in place where if a user objects to his/her ban he/she can discuss it with admin in a separate (perhaps private) section. When a ban occurs and multiple “why was I banned” threads are posted, it becomes disruptive to the forum. Especially as in many cases the person knows why they were banned and just wants attention.

This would also help when someone really doesn’t know why they were banned, but needs a quick way of being able to ask/discuss why they were banned, or air their objections if they think they were unfairly banned.

5. A small suggestion - but is it possible to make it so section mods can see when admin are online (assuming this isn’t already the case)? This would help us to work together more. I’m not sure how my fellow admins would feel about that suggestion, so it would be nice to get their input too.


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I want to contribute.

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17 Oct 2009 12:27 pm
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TheSaneRevelation wrote: I want to contribute.



Sure! What ideas do you have?


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17 Oct 2009 12:31 pm
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1. Automatic locking feature. Threads get bumped quite often by guests who don’t know any better.

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17 Oct 2009 12:41 pm
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No, we section moderators cannot see what administrators are online. I think it would also be helpful if we section moderators presence was invisible to.

- I like the idea of “why you were banned” that is usually the biggest fuss on the site.

To add;

Perhaps have the rules as a selection point to ban the person.

For instance;

If he posted pornography - an admin could click “9) Posting or linking to pornographic material is strictly prohibited." and there would be lengths of bans to choose from ; i.e a 24 hours, 1 week, a month, 6 months, a year etc..


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If I may put in my two cents as well, it does seem that there is much confusion about the rules. I would also suggest that sometimes there seems to be a lack of mods or admins online to monitor. I know that we can’t expect people to be online 24/7 as most of us work, but maybe you need more people to monitor the site. Just a suggestion.

Also, I am not sure what is wrong with bumping old topics. Sometimes people want to discuss it again and some of those times it brings interest to the forum.


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TiggerLover wrote: If I may put in my two cents as well, it does seem that there is much confusion about the rules. I would also suggest that sometimes there seems to be a lack of mods or admins online to monitor. I know that we can’t expect people to be online 24/7 as most of us work, but maybe you need more people to monitor the site. Just a suggestion.

Also, I am not sure what is wrong with bumping old topics. Sometimes people want to discuss it again and some of those times it brings interest to the forum.



I know but the rules go against it.

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17 Oct 2009 01:22 pm
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Sorry, I didn’t know that.

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TiggerLover wrote: If I may put in my two cents as well, it does seem that there is much confusion about the rules. I would also suggest that sometimes there seems to be a lack of mods or admins online to monitor. I know that we can’t expect people to be online 24/7 as most of us work, but maybe you need more people to monitor the site. Just a suggestion.

Also, I am not sure what is wrong with bumping old topics. Sometimes people want to discuss it again and some of those times it brings interest to the forum.



More moderators? I don’t think so. We don’t have that large of a population and 25% of the members are already section moderators. Half of which shouldn’t be.

I think we should strip a few section moderators and hire a few actual moderators.

- Bumping is fine, just as long as you add to the topic and are not just bumping them to spam.


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Yes, that is probably the answer. Getting rid of some of the ones who are mods right now and who are not doing the job and getting some who will do a better job.


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TiggerLover wrote: Yes, that is probably the answer. Getting rid of some of the ones who are mods right now and who are not doing the job and getting some who will do a better job.



Well I don’t really mean get rid of anonymous. He was a terrific admin and really saved us a lot of hassle in the main site. If he ever came back, we’d really want to still have his help.

But meanwhile we haven’t had an admin for the main section since June....


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I didn’t mean him specifically, but maybe another admin at his level would be good. You should always have a backup person.

I don’t know how many mods or admins there are. I was just pointing out that there are many times when I see people get away with things for a while before someone bans them. Also, I see many times when people are calling out for mods.


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oh harrow wrote:

TiggerLover wrote: If I may put in my two cents as well, it does seem that there is much confusion about the rules. I would also suggest that sometimes there seems to be a lack of mods or admins online to monitor. I know that we can’t expect people to be online 24/7 as most of us work, but maybe you need more people to monitor the site. Just a suggestion.

Also, I am not sure what is wrong with bumping old topics. Sometimes people want to discuss it again and some of those times it brings interest to the forum.



More moderators? I don’t think so. We don’t have that large of a population and 25% of the members are already section moderators. Half of which shouldn’t be.

I think we should strip a few section moderators and hire a few actual moderators.

- Bumping is fine, just as long as you add to the topic and are not just bumping them to spam.



Yes that’s true about the bumping. I don’t see why bumping an old topic would be a problem so long as the discussion in the thread was actually going to be continued. We have some pretty interesting older topics!

But, bumping a thread just for amusement or saying “this is interesting” or “look how old this topic is”, etc. is spam.


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Thank you for clarifying that.


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17 Oct 2009 03:29 pm
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TiggerLover wrote: If I may put in my two cents as well, it does seem that there is much confusion about the rules. I would also suggest that sometimes there seems to be a lack of mods or admins online to monitor. I know that we can’t expect people to be online 24/7 as most of us work, but maybe you need more people to monitor the site. Just a suggestion.

Also, I am not sure what is wrong with bumping old topics. Sometimes people want to discuss it again and some of those times it brings interest to the forum.


Agreed with both of these.

I really am not a proponent of bans, but looking at the history- we’ve been only Losing Admins. Not Gaining any. With so few on at different chunks of time a day, we need to expand the set perhaps. The ones we have make good contributions, but we’ve lost so many over time

As for bumping topics, it is not against the rules. I actually encourage it in certain cases.


Finally, Etain hit somethign heavy- the people who come here to simply advertive stuff like shoes, etc.

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Advice and TIPS - you make really good points.

TiggerLover - You mentioned that a lot of times you see people get away with things for a while before a mod bans them.

I know sometimes this is due to there not being an admin online. But I’ve also noticed that a lot of people don’t make full use of the report feature.

I’d really like to encourage everyone to use this feature if they see someone breaking the rules, or even if there’s a big fight going on that they think a mod needs to be aware of. (Note: don’t use it to say “this is interesting”, to ask for help (use Feedback for that) or to report that you don’t like that someone’s disagreeing with you.

I’ve also heard some people say that they won’t use the report feature because they feel it “makes mods lazy”. Well, we’re here for you guys and to try to keep the forum clean (or I guess with this forum clean-ish). We’re only human and there’s no way we can possibly read every single post in every thread every day. Sometimes a problem is self-evident (like a lot of spam), but even then reporting it can’t hurt anything.

The reports are usually the first thing I check when I log in. Unless I see something really interesting that I want to reply to quickly, and then I check them right after. So it really is the quickest way to get an admin’s attention. Also, if you see me posting and you want to ask a question, you can always PM me.

(Sorry TiggerLover - this isn’t directed at you personally at all...just when I read what you wrote it reminded me of what a lot of people have been saying from time to time).


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And make it possible to LIFT the bans if needed.


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Indalecio wrote: And make it possible to LIFT the bans if needed.



This idea I really like. There is the odd time an admin will ban someone by accident (I know I did that once when someone reported something that was really old and ban-worthy, but I don’t think it’s fair to ban someone for a 3 month old infraction).

Also, if an admin banned someone for a while...but realized the lesson was learned and wanted to lessen the ban.

Or from time to time I will ban someone quickly to stop the problems they’re causing on the forum, only to find out the full extent of the problem later...then it would be useful to lift the ban and make it longer.


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Some websites have a a thing call kicking or black marks basically you can get them a certain amount of time but if you get them to much you get banned.

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Etain wrote:

Indalecio wrote: And make it possible to LIFT the bans if needed.



This idea I really like. There is the odd time an admin will ban someone by accident (I know I did that once when someone reported something that was really old and ban-worthy, but I don’t think it’s fair to ban someone for a 3 month old infraction).

Also, if an admin banned someone for a while...but realized the lesson was learned and wanted to lessen the ban.

Or from time to time I will ban someone quickly to stop the problems they’re causing on the forum, only to find out the full extent of the problem later...then it would be useful to lift the ban and make it longer.



oh hai there is a thought!


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