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Added a bit to rule #1, and addded rule #16.
When I get the time I will need to rephrase them and cook them down to fewer and easier to understand rules.
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I’d probably PM all the mods personally, Bjarne. Just to make sure they know.
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Just a question to anyone who cares.
With rule #1, how far do you want moderators and forum moderators to go with this? I mean there is a lot of discussion about emulators and modded consoles. I mean technically that is discussion of illegal practices. Thx for any help.
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Discussion of it shouldn’t be the problem. Posting links to illegal things should be.
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Ice Cube wrote:
Discussion of it shouldn’t be the problem. Posting links to illegal things should be.
Well the rules says discussion and linking so I go with both. I’m just wondering the extent.
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Zucas wrote:
Ice Cube wrote:
Discussion of it shouldn’t be the problem. Posting links to illegal things should be.
Well the rules says discussion and linking so I go with both. I’m just wondering the extent.
I see nothing wrong with a discussion such as,
“Well, I just finished playing Super Mario Bros. 3 on my SNES Emulator."
“Hey, do you have a link to download it?"
“Yes, but I’m not about to do that since it’s against the rules to post links to illegal downloads."
Now something wrong would be like,
“Well, I just finished playing Super Mario Bros. 3 onmy SNES Emulator."
“Hey, do you have a link to download it”
“Yeah, here’s the link”
And so on.
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Ice Cube wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Ice Cube wrote:
Discussion of it shouldn’t be the problem. Posting links to illegal things should be.
Well the rules says discussion and linking so I go with both. I’m just wondering the extent.
I see nothing wrong with a discussion such as,
“Well, I just finished playing Super Mario Bros. 3 on my SNES Emulator."
“Hey, do you have a link to download it?"
“Yes, but I’m not about to do that since it’s against the rules to post links to illegal downloads."
Now something wrong would be like,
“Well, I just finished playing Super Mario Bros. 3 onmy SNES Emulator."
“Hey, do you have a link to download it”
“Yeah, here’s the link”
And so on.
Read the rules. It specifically says “discussing and posting." But most have only done the latter and the first if it’s like directly discussing how to do it. I’m wondering the extent of the discussion part. Such if people are talking about doing it or having done it although not explaining how. Personally I think that is against the rules because it is still discussing.
I’m just wondering what others think becuase we’ve been very lenient about such things.
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I read the rules -__-
I’m only giving my opinion as to how discussion isn’t bad, to a certain extent, as the example I gave in my last post.
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A: Maybe, to add on to #16, it should include something about special cases if the webmaster (Bjarne) is consulted prior. Depends on how things go.
B: As for the illegal downloads thing, they exist. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of legal thing about posting links to illegal downloads or discussing hacking methods that started the whole thing. Therefore, so far as I can discern, saying you HAVE something like an emulator isn’t an issue. Posting links to it or details on how to make/get one (so on and so forth with other things) is where the issue comes up.
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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
A: Maybe, to add on to #16, it should include something about special cases if the webmaster (Bjarne) is consulted prior. Depends on how things go.
B: As for the illegal downloads thing, they exist. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of legal thing about posting links to illegal downloads or discussing hacking methods that started the whole thing. Therefore, so far as I can discern, saying you HAVE something like an emulator isn’t an issue. Posting links to it or details on how to make/get one (so on and so forth with other things) is where the issue comes up.
But if I were to moderate a post of someone admitting to having something that is illegal or illegally downloaded, then I can find something in the rules to back that up. And personally I think that was in the original intention. Especially on a site that advocates so strongly on the legal downloads. There’s a reason why it’s the first rule.
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Zucas wrote:
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
A: Maybe, to add on to #16, it should include something about special cases if the webmaster (Bjarne) is consulted prior. Depends on how things go.
B: As for the illegal downloads thing, they exist. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of legal thing about posting links to illegal downloads or discussing hacking methods that started the whole thing. Therefore, so far as I can discern, saying you HAVE something like an emulator isn’t an issue. Posting links to it or details on how to make/get one (so on and so forth with other things) is where the issue comes up.
But if I were to moderate a post of someone admitting to having something that is illegal or illegally downloaded, then I can find something in the rules to back that up. And personally I think that was in the original intention. Especially on a site that advocates so strongly on the legal downloads. There’s a reason why it’s the first rule.
I see no reason why you would have to moderate a post like that unless they are giving specific details/methods/how-to links. For example: I just downloaded some Stratovarius songs off of e-snips. Is this message going to be moderated now because I mentioned that?
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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
A: Maybe, to add on to #16, it should include something about special cases if the webmaster (Bjarne) is consulted prior. Depends on how things go.
B: As for the illegal downloads thing, they exist. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of legal thing about posting links to illegal downloads or discussing hacking methods that started the whole thing. Therefore, so far as I can discern, saying you HAVE something like an emulator isn’t an issue. Posting links to it or details on how to make/get one (so on and so forth with other things) is where the issue comes up.
But if I were to moderate a post of someone admitting to having something that is illegal or illegally downloaded, then I can find something in the rules to back that up. And personally I think that was in the original intention. Especially on a site that advocates so strongly on the legal downloads. There’s a reason why it’s the first rule.
I see no reason why you would have to moderate a post like that unless they are giving specific details/methods/how-to links. For example: I just downloaded some Stratovarius songs off of e-snips. Is this message going to be moderated now because I mentioned that?
Well that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Isn’t discussion a form of advocating it as well?
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Zucas wrote:
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
A: Maybe, to add on to #16, it should include something about special cases if the webmaster (Bjarne) is consulted prior. Depends on how things go.
B: As for the illegal downloads thing, they exist. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of legal thing about posting links to illegal downloads or discussing hacking methods that started the whole thing. Therefore, so far as I can discern, saying you HAVE something like an emulator isn’t an issue. Posting links to it or details on how to make/get one (so on and so forth with other things) is where the issue comes up.
But if I were to moderate a post of someone admitting to having something that is illegal or illegally downloaded, then I can find something in the rules to back that up. And personally I think that was in the original intention. Especially on a site that advocates so strongly on the legal downloads. There’s a reason why it’s the first rule.
I see no reason why you would have to moderate a post like that unless they are giving specific details/methods/how-to links. For example: I just downloaded some Stratovarius songs off of e-snips. Is this message going to be moderated now because I mentioned that?
Well that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Isn’t discussion a form of advocating it as well?
Well, I thought I kind of outlined it pretty well in my other post as far as the terms of links and discussion go. Otherwise, we’re having REALLY shitty communication and I’m getting a headache.
So, yeah, just read the other one, I gotta get going, bai bai. 
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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
A: Maybe, to add on to #16, it should include something about special cases if the webmaster (Bjarne) is consulted prior. Depends on how things go.
B: As for the illegal downloads thing, they exist. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of legal thing about posting links to illegal downloads or discussing hacking methods that started the whole thing. Therefore, so far as I can discern, saying you HAVE something like an emulator isn’t an issue. Posting links to it or details on how to make/get one (so on and so forth with other things) is where the issue comes up.
But if I were to moderate a post of someone admitting to having something that is illegal or illegally downloaded, then I can find something in the rules to back that up. And personally I think that was in the original intention. Especially on a site that advocates so strongly on the legal downloads. There’s a reason why it’s the first rule.
I see no reason why you would have to moderate a post like that unless they are giving specific details/methods/how-to links. For example: I just downloaded some Stratovarius songs off of e-snips. Is this message going to be moderated now because I mentioned that?
Well that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Isn’t discussion a form of advocating it as well?
Well, I thought I kind of outlined it pretty well in my other post as far as the terms of links and discussion go. Otherwise, we’re having REALLY shitty communication and I’m getting a headache.
So, yeah, just read the other one, I gotta get going, bai bai. 
Well you stated discussing as only discussing how but the rules says simply discussing. Am I supposed to interpret it as a limitation when clearly it is trying to be broad.
As I said, considering this is a site about legal downloads, I would think it be a necessity to make it broad. I mean I will, for now, continue to be lenient on discussing having some of these illegal things but any, and I mean any, form of discussion that details how or linking to these things will be immediately up for some form of moderation.
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Zucas wrote:
any, form of discussion that details how or linking to these things will be immediately up for some form of moderation.
Pretty much how I (and the few others that I know) would see it fit to be done.
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