I don’t know why this site has such an atrocious track-record for stickied topics and keeping them relevant. It’s not that hard people.
You may recall back in March when I said that the Vs. Forum had far too many stickied topics, to the point where the stickied threads would take up an entire, high-resolution screen. Wasn’t that terrible? Remember how god-awful it looked having almost ten stickied topics? Getting rid of all those shits was a good move, wasn’t it?
Well it seems we easily forget our past, because four months later we’re back to square effin' one.
This has got to stop.
So yet again, allow me to wave the magic wand of not-ugly-web-design and let me tell you what needs to be changed to make it look less like a gangrape of threads no one really cares about:
The “who’s on here at the moment” thread is staying, that’s a given. It’s the most posted thread on the entire site, so for that it deserves a sticky.
The “History of Moviecodec” thread can go. It’s been stickied since when it first started back in February, and has managed to squeeze out nine pages. That’s less than two pages a month. My toenails grow faster than that.
“Member Picture Gallery” and the picture-posting thread need to be merged. I’d recommend scrapping the latter and just turn the former into the all-around picture thread, since it already has a lot of pictures on the front page, keeping it while ditching the “Who has the guts” thread makes the most sense.
Nihilus’s guide to MvC: let new members figure it out for themselves. None of the current-frequent members had a thread telling them what to do, and they managed fine. If they’re too much of a retard to not know everything in that thread when the enter this site (“durr wait I can’t be a pedophile????"), then the site’s better off without them.
The “WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS” needs to be canned for a similar reason to Nihilus' guide: let them figure it out. It’s basically just another thread saying “hey! if you break the rules we will ban you!" We already have something that accomplishes everything that thread says: the rules.
The rules thread and Bjarne’s eternal sticky remain for obvious reasons.
tl;dr
Unsticky all threads in off-topic except the following:
“So who’s on here at the moment?"
“Member Picture Gallery”
“Posting Rules”
“No mention of crackinhackinetc."
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
While I agree this is how it SHOULD work, I seem to remember you guys fussing over Darth Bane/Ice Cube’s locking of threads that didn’t break the rules. Boos thread doesn’t break the rules, so why should it be deleted? It says nothing in the rules about duplicate threads being deleted. I agree with the OP, BUT, I am just pointing out you guys think I am trying to take over the vs forum, yet you do the exact same things we do that you critisize us for.
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
King Boo’s topic isn’t exactly a duplicate, so much as it is an easy catalog of everything the other picture thread has to offer, in addition to providing the same service yours offers. Yeah, you could modify the first post of your topic to include everything Boo has in the first post in his, but why do that when his already has it? It’s just more convenient.
As for being popular not being “good enough” to be stickied, I’d like to point out what the stickied threads are actually labeled:
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
While I agree this is how it SHOULD work, I seem to remember you guys fussing over Darth Bane/Ice Cube’s locking of threads that didn’t break the rules. Boos thread doesn’t break the rules, so why should it be deleted? It says nothing in the rules about duplicate threads being deleted. I agree with the OP, BUT, I am just pointing out you guys think I am trying to take over the vs forum, yet you do the exact same things we do that you critisize us for.
I see duplicate threads as spam if they try and achieve the same thing. If they try and achieve different things then fair enough. The vs forum is a slightly different kettle of fish as there are so many variations of character in the same universe that debates can be focused on one aspect of the character and as such other topics may spring up to discuss/debate about another aspect of the character.
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
While I agree this is how it SHOULD work, I seem to remember you guys fussing over Darth Bane/Ice Cube’s locking of threads that didn’t break the rules. Boos thread doesn’t break the rules, so why should it be deleted? It says nothing in the rules about duplicate threads being deleted. I agree with the OP, BUT, I am just pointing out you guys think I am trying to take over the vs forum, yet you do the exact same things we do that you critisize us for.
I see duplicate threads as spam if they try and achieve the same thing. If they try and achieve different things then fair enough. The vs forum is a slightly different kettle of fish as there are so many variations of character in the same universe that debates can be focused on one aspect of the character and as such other topics may spring up to discuss/debate about another aspect of the character.
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
King Boo’s topic isn’t exactly a duplicate, so much as it is an easy catalog of everything the other picture thread has to offer, in addition to providing the same service yours offers. Yeah, you could modify the first post of your topic to include everything Boo has in the first post in his, but why do that when his already has it? It’s just more convenient.
As for being popular not being “good enough” to be stickied, I’d like to point out what the stickied threads are actually labeled:
History and relevance.
My topic actually had a goal and a message that is/was relevent. Boos is a trunciated duplicate with none of the history and is incomplete. For example he is asking members to post if they approve of their photo being added to his thread, whereas my thread has it already. I can see a bunch of photos in my thread that are absent from boos thread.
While mine may be unttidy, so is boos aside from the front page.
Mine has history, compliments and actuall conversation stemming from the pictures for over 2 years and its still active.
I recall members crying out when oddballs thread “lets make this the most responded forum ever” was superceeded by the “So whos on here at the moment” thread when the other became way more popular and larger than the old topic and had not the history but the sheer popularity to capsize the older thread.
In the case of boos vs mine, this is not the case.
Look at the numbers
455 vs 12273
Its clear which one is more popular.
Etain only stickied as mine has become more of a chat and photo topic where as boo’s at the time (3rd page) was more concise. Now his topic is just as much as a chat topic as mine.
Also for the record I never wanted my topic to be sticked despite people asking for it to be and if we stickied all the [popular topics, it wopuld be vs all over again.
Popular topics shoud be stickied when they are historical and important as well as popular otherwise every topic over 6,000 posts would be stickied as to get that many would be popular.
My thread has a different goal then yours, it is to collect the pictures of the members into one post for easy viewing. It is not a duplicate of your, they both just have to do with pictures of yourself.
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
While I agree this is how it SHOULD work, I seem to remember you guys fussing over Darth Bane/Ice Cube’s locking of threads that didn’t break the rules. Boos thread doesn’t break the rules, so why should it be deleted? It says nothing in the rules about duplicate threads being deleted. I agree with the OP, BUT, I am just pointing out you guys think I am trying to take over the vs forum, yet you do the exact same things we do that you critisize us for.
I see duplicate threads as spam if they try and achieve the same thing. If they try and achieve different things then fair enough. The vs forum is a slightly different kettle of fish as there are so many variations of character in the same universe that debates can be focused on one aspect of the character and as such other topics may spring up to discuss/debate about another aspect of the character.
My thread isn’t a duplicate of your though.
it is a listing topic of some of the pictures that is already posted. it serves the same purpose but attempts to streamline it. A listing thread should be like the sotw winners thread. shorrt, no conversation and locked and stickied, with one member editing the post to update it...otherwise its just the smae as any other thread that sets out to do something but gets lost in the conversation.
Das Wolf nli wrote:
I don’t see why either picture thread is stickied.
Personally I think boos and my topics should be unstickied and if any, boos should have been deleted when it was made as is customary with duplicate topics.
I’m sure his intention was good, but in the end, its just another jumbled mess like my topic and the first page of my topic could be modified to include the information on the first post of boos topic.
When it comes to duplicate topics, I tend to lean in favor of keeping the most active topic alive or the one that existed first is both are active.
its neater and in the end, duplicate topics shouldn’t have been created in the first place.
As for the others, agreed.
also adding in that stickied topics should be of high importance or constant relevance.
Being a popular topic is not good enough in my opinion. If its popular, its going to stay floated anyhow by members regualarly using it.
King Boo’s topic isn’t exactly a duplicate, so much as it is an easy catalog of everything the other picture thread has to offer, in addition to providing the same service yours offers. Yeah, you could modify the first post of your topic to include everything Boo has in the first post in his, but why do that when his already has it? It’s just more convenient.
As for being popular not being “good enough” to be stickied, I’d like to point out what the stickied threads are actually labeled:
History and relevance.
My topic actually had a goal and a message that is/was relevent. Boos is a trunciated duplicate with none of the history and is incomplete. For example he is asking members to post if they approve of their photo being added to his thread, whereas my thread has it already. I can see a bunch of photos in my thread that are absent from boos thread.
While mine may be unttidy, so is boos aside from the front page.
Mine has history, compliments and actuall conversation stemming from the pictures for over 2 years and its still active.
I recall members crying out when oddballs thread “lets make this the most responded forum ever” was superceeded by the “So whos on here at the moment” thread when the other became way more popular and larger than the old topic and had not the history but the sheer popularity to capsize the older thread.
In the case of boos vs mine, this is not the case.
Look at the numbers
455 vs 12273
Its clear which one is more popular.
Etain only stickied as mine has become more of a chat and photo topic where as boo’s at the time (3rd page) was more concise. Now his topic is just as much as a chat topic as mine.
Also for the record I never wanted my topic to be sticked despite people asking for it to be and if we stickied all the [popular topics, it wopuld be vs all over again.
Popular topics shoud be stickied when they are historical and important as well as popular otherwise every topic over 6,000 posts would be stickied as to get that many would be popular.
All I’m saying is both threads pretty much aim at the same thing, but I think Boo’s thread, with having an easy catalog on the first page, accomplishes the goal (having people be able to see pictures of members) better, instead of having to go through 614 pages to find it.
My argument here isn’t so much as which is more popular, or even what thread does what better. What I’m saying is one of the picture threads should be stickied, and I think that the one that has more pictures easily-found should be the one to stay, instead of altering the first post of your thread to accomplish what Boo’s already done.
I think the photo topics fall under both “popular” and “important”, the latter due to what they accomplish for the site’s community. The problem with vs. is that they stickied topics that weren’t popular at all, and had like 4 separate rules threads. Off-Topic has threads that aren’t popular OR important stickied, such as the history of mvc, and the guide to new members.
I don’t see the issue with keeping “who’s on here, member picture directory, posting rules” and “no crackalackin” as the only stickied threads. It’s four, and regardless two are going to be stickied no matter what due to actually being essential to the site, so really it’s only two threads stickied, and for good reason (immense popularity and service to mvc’s community).
