I think the nintendo revolution sucks (sorry)

I don’t get it. I love nintendo and nintendo products but I just don’t like the revolution, its goals, its controller. The new form of gameplay theya re pushing repulses me, etc. I want to know why I don’t like the rev. I like GC, n64, nes, snes, but the rev. seems to me to be the worst thing nintendo has come up with.

Does anyone else feel this way?

Does anyone want to convince me otherwise?

Feel free. I’m just confused as to why I dont like the rev. It seems great but I dont like it, but i like nintendo. Im so god damn confused.

What should I believe?

belive what u want.
everyone is entitled to their opinions.

true. I just feel like I’m betraying myslef by not liking something that produces great games. I’m a huge zelda fan yet the idea of zelda on the rev. makes me sick. Gannon, zucas, maybe you could explain to me why you like te rev. ?

well ninendo is certainly making a big step in a different direction.
which is a pro and a con.
u dont have to like the rev, hell u could just stay with ur GC and u should be ok.
hell, the revo is basically a GC with a few extra things.
u might just be looking too much on the posible cons of the system.
thats why i like it, its a GC remodeled and improved a bit but almost the same system.
oh and backwards compatablility...

Tyreaus Rhade, I think you are just about the first person who has ever made any sense about the rev. That is exactly right in my mind. I hate this idea of revolutionizing gaming. I dont know why (maybe because i love gaming as it is) but I just dont like it. It doesnt make sense to me. But your idea of the rev. does.

Thanks

I agree with brain. sure MP3 will be great on it. but thats only one game. You can’t play donkey kong or zelda with that gay controller

I would be glad to explain but it is going to take a very long post.

First of all I love the revo for the big reason of it having the controller. Most don’t see as gaming control and the gaming itself as needing a change but history says we do. Check out this beastly post I made and that should shed some new light on the controller and what Nintendo is doing and maybe why Nintendo will be a success:


Well the old saying goes, “If you don’t learn from history then you are doomed to repeat it." And I believe everyone agrees with this.

So now we see that this happens all the time that people don’t learn from their mistakes. And the upcoming console race is a great example. History says a lot and right now History is backing up Nintendo. Read my post I wrote yesterday and maybe you’ll shed a new light on the areas of graphics, Nintendo, and a revolution in gaming. All are covered in this post and opens up a new way at looking and after reading this analysis I think you’ll agree and maybe see how the Revo just may have the advantage in the most important area, GAMEPLAY. And then you may not be dissappointed in Nintendo not having the horsepower as the competition. So enjoy and give me feedback:

Well above a lot of Nintendo bashing I think the misinformed infor be blurted out is propostorous. Please if it is an opinion or rumor please state that. Matt is just an editor and he knows apsolutely nothing abou the real specs or anything. But he is a very good source for info and a big Nintendo fan.

Now if you want a arrow to the heart check out these Hollywood or GPU for the revo’s rumored specs. They are pretty good:

http://www.connectrevolution.com/version2/igaming/index.php?do=viewarticle&id=45

Well above everything let us go over something. Why do people play games. Well there is one reason and one reason only. For entertainment right. Well what provides entertaiment. Well that is easy the games. And what makes a game good. Well that is another easy one. Well whay makes the gameplay good. Well the storyline and originality.

So if we look at everything down to the smallest bit that 100% of gamers play games because of the gameplay. So really saying that a system is going to fail cause it doesnt' have the right hardware but has made a big innovation towards gameplay is as yall would say hyppocritical right. So yes hardware improvements need to be made but what is that going to get you in the game. Well except some nice visuals and a few better game designs not really anything noticeable while you are playing the game.

Let us take Tetris for a sec. This game is one of the most popular games even today. And yet it was released with no graphically good performance yet sold 33 million units. Well they weren’t buying it for graphics so why did they buy it. Well duh. They bought it cause it had the most addictive gameplay ever.

So if this is what sales a game then why aren’t companies such as MS and Sony focusing on gameplay the most. Shouldn’t they be doing that the most rather than hardware.

Well this might explain maybe a reason why gaming popularity has gone down. The best selling year was the year with only 8 bits the primitive graphics compared today. So why did that sale. Well probably sold because didn’t have to work on graphics just gameplay and originality is all they worked one.

So that explains something now. Ever since the grahpics get more powerful the less and less of game console sales there are. So what this is saying when the graphics go up the less and less amount of innovative and compelling gameplay is put into the game. So basically companies are thinking if they make a visually good-looking game then they will have a good game.

This is a reason why gaming has declined because not enough innovative and compelling games made. You’ll see a few every now and then but not enough.

So you ask yourself why gaming is going down and the real problem is hardware. So is hardware that is good neccesarily a good thing. It’s okay but it is making the developers lazy cause they think visuals are everything. But if we look at history that ain’t the case. The best-selling games are the ones that are the oldest and less-graphically visual.

So you look at the future generation and you look at history. And you think which way would you go. Well history tells you the bettering of hardware means worse sales. And I’ve already explained why. So then we stand here and critisize Nintendo’s concept and controller and way of going about this gen and historically accurate in the gaming market there way does exactly what history tells them to do. That is make gaming the way it was when you had the NES and Sega consoles.

So overrall everything comes back to games and if hardware as history has proved doesn’t sale games then there is a problem. And if we keep seeing hardware as the answer to the declines then you aren’t learning from history that says hardware is what is causing games to decline. But if we make the games better and the gameplay better and more thrilling then we will have sales like the NES days. So innovation and improvement to gameplay is where all attention should be focused.

So point being hardware is good to improve on but how much will it matter in the final product. Apsolutely no where. It ain’t going to matter. Someone could release an 8 bit game right now and if its gameplay is amazing that game will sale like hotcakes. But if you allow the developers to have alot of hardware they’ll get lazy and not make a good gameplay but a good visual.

So Nintendo’s controller is trying to go where history says it should go. Good hardware is causing bad gameplay and as we say everything comes down to the games. If the gameplay ain’t good then no one will buy it. So good hardware=bad games.

Yet average hardware meaning improvements enough to be a good improvement but a legendary change in a way of playing this just gives an overral new excitement. AS gannon said that gaming was better in the NES cause more good games were being created and this explains why.

So Nintendo’s route is actually the right path. Change and surprise is what gamers want or else if we keep following the same path as MS and Sony are doing gaming will fail in at the most 10 years. Gaming can only be saved by games and the games need to be new and original like the were in the NES days.

ONLY the REVOLUTION offers this and because of that you may finally see how wonderful this is. Hardware only will be the destruction of gaming. But gameplay improvements will be the savior of it. Nintendo has the right route and if history is correct it will be a big success.


This is why Nintendo chose the controller and history says it will work. You should shed new light guys cause this analysis is just wondeful. And yes I did write this so give thanks later. This will open a new way of thinking on Nintendo’s strategy and maybe you can see how good of a way it really is.

So thank you I give credit to gannon for helping me see this. OH and sorry for the length but take time to read it or you will never understand the advantage the controller really gives and why gaming needs a Revolution and why the regular way of gaming is destroying the market.

A REVOLUTION IS COMING. REVOLUTION DAY. JUNE 6, 2006

Well this makes perfect sense and I think that it is just a different way of thinking. This is Nintendo’s strategy and history is backing them up. If history is correct, which it always is, then Nintendo has an upmost advantage in the biggest area of all, gameplay.


Okay that explains alot. So now why I like the revo controller is just all the possibilities. The way it will make the ease of gaming is just incredible. I mean gaming has way too many buttons today. Everyone knows that. So the controller eliminates alot of useless buttons which is good. Also the double analog thing just ain’t working. It cause confusion to everyone.

Now the way it will just create and innovate genres is just amazing to itself. Especially areas as fighting, FPS, RTS, and RPG which sometimes can be very confusing to get the controlls down. But with the controller it will make all easy to play.

Now for the fun factor involved with the controller. Imagine playing a Star Wars game and you are playing as Luke Skywalker. You have to go confront your father. You use your controller to slash throught enemines as you move with the analog attachment. You finally have the best and most realistic fight ever as you have a jedi fight with you father until the Emperor buts in.

Just that scene alone makes me hyped up about the revo controller and its possibilities.

My second reason is downloadable classics or the Virtual console. As X360 has a marketplace Nintendo also has one except a lot more. The revo will allow you to download every classic ever made by Nintendo onto the console and playable there. This is just a real killer cause the others can’t do this. And the visuals and framerate will be better on them also. So play your old games. So you could have a humongous library right ther in your console. And it is open to third-parties who want to put their games on the system. This could mean games that never eve were on the system could be there or even foriegn games are for download.

Another reason is backward’s compatibility. This is just great. You can play all your GC games right on your revo. You don’t have to keep that GC anymore just trade it in cause you don’t need it.

Another reason is the games. The games my friend is just everything. There are just so many classics that are only available on this system. WE have Mario, Kid Icarus, Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Final Fantasy:CC, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Star Fox, ect. All of those games and my favorite ones such as Zelda series and SSB. These games are incredible and a must buy for all gamers.

Another reason being for the first time you can play your NIntendo games online. All of your favorite Nintendo games online finally. And the online will hopefully be incredible. With the immediate success of DS Wifi even though had a few problems but so did Xlive to start off also, is doing better than anything else. The sales of the online games are off the charts. It is incredible. The popularity of it is just great. And the revo will have just as much but many more. It will have the downloadable classics, voice capabilities, downloadable trailers that can also be sent wirelessly to your DS. It will have plenty of games you have never seen on the online world and the recent rumor of Xenias just shows how big the online could be. This online has been in works for 10 years so expect something great.

The system and its specs are great. First the system is small, sleek, and wonderful colors. The smallest of them all with only the size of 3 DVD cases. It is very portable and will not hurt your foot if you drop it or shatter. Though the tech specs may not be up to par I would say Han Solo’s guess is right on again. The PPU in there is inevitalbe and for first and second part games cube-mapping will produce some stunning visuals compared to the other systems. May not have the horsepower but you will say “wow” when you see it.

Finally my last reason is just the possibilities. Think about all the possibilities that could attach with the controller. You could have pieces made just for a specific game that you add on to the remote section and play for that game cause it will come with the game. Think of an optional VR that you could buy seperately. Think of an online that is so incredible that you’ll never want to get off of it. Think of games that you have never seen before that can only be done with that controller. Think of the new genres that will be created that will be fun for all kinds of gamers of all ages. Think of a system that can attarct all crowds cause of the joy in playing it. Think of talking with all your friends online in some massive online battles or just friendly conversations in a chat room. THINK OF A REVOLUTION.

A REVOLUTION IS COMING. REVOLUTION DAY. JUNE 6, 2006.

So this is why I like the revo and this is why I’ll get the system.

So after reading this you have to ask yourself 4 questions.

2d game playing or 3d game playing? Button mashing or ease of real to life movements? Guy sitting and watching the TV or cool dude interfacing with the TV? REVOLUTION or no revolution?

TR- You make a very good point. The revo is very much like a GC. But that is not it. The revo is a GC and more alot more. Something that the GC could never have and I’m not just talking about visuals and the controller. I’m mainly talking about online which next to controller to me is the biggest jump they could have made.

um, no offense zucas, great long post and everything but thats jsut why i dont like it. The controller/revolution. I liked tyreas idea of an imporved GC. The controller doesnt change everything but rather tries inprove on it without drastically changing everything. MAybe the rev. wont do that.

Well not exactly. The revo controller does alot more than people give it credit for. You know what I like to compare the controller to in as a change. I would say online play. ONline last gen was a big turn in gaming cause it offered a new way to play games. But no one had a problem with that cause it was good right. Everyone was skeptical at first about it cause it was something new.

Well same with the controller. It is trying to change gaming like online and offer a new gaming experience that is so different from the norm, like online, that people are skeptical. Yet skeptical only because of look. Yet no one has a chance to go hand’s on with the controller right.

But we are worrying about it for the wrong reasons. We are worrying about the games and how it will play. Well Nintendo would not have released a controller if it couldn’t support all games and if it wasn’t comfortable and easy to use by all customers. Nintendo has perfected this and it will do what it is meant to do. But it has to be spread first buy people who alread know this and ads must go off everywhere. That is why I always post my ad.

A REVOLUTION IS COMING. REVOLUTION DAY. JUNE 6, 2006.

Oh and Brain I direct you to my analysis in this topic on the Games section of the forum.

History Backs up Nintendo: Shedding Some new Light

I think if you read my first post you will shed some new light on why a revolution is needed in gaming. It explains alot and I think you’ll have a different perception on things such as the controller, Nintendo’s strategy, and hardware.

Nice post, i read it but still it did not convince me. I just plain dont see the need for revolution. Decline in sales? I dont think that necessarily meanns gaming is going the wrong way. Unfortunately all the analysis i have been reading about the rev. has led me to believe what many industry analysts are saying. that the rev. is nintendo’s last ditch effort to make an impact (not just a profit)in the console buisness. But i hate to think that that is true.

Well analysist have never been right. From day 1 they have never liked gaming. They thought the NES was going to be a failure also. The also thought the N64 would be a failure. Everytime something new comes into the gaming market they always think it will fail but history has proved that wrong each time. Analysist make good predictions but sometimes not the best ones.

You know the same way you feel about the revo is sometimes the same way I feel about the X360. I played the X360 yesterday again and I just still am not seeing why people love it. I feel like it is just an Xbox 1.5.

So Brain like I tried to help you out could you do the same and explain to me why you like the X360. I mean I won’t to like the X360 but I’m just not feeling it right now. So could you voice your opinion like i did. Thank you in advance and thank you for reading my long post. I like making long posts.

*shrugs*
well cant say i didnt try...
oh and dont forget the GC controller will still work for alot of the games.
and hopefully the games specalized for the revo controller will also have the option to be played with the GC controler, cause i doubt i could play some of the games with the revo remote.

I like your posts zucas (Except for the length) and tyreaus rhade i still think you have a great analysis of what the rev. is/could be. The real thing with 360 that blows me away is:

1. the online functionality (the way it is intertwined into everyhting) and its great results with little lag in my experience.

2. the interface is just phenemonal, the way you can stream music, message, downlaod game content/games is incredible

and now for games

3. Call of Duty 2 continues to dazzle me; hd is what really makes it shine. It hink a gamespot editor put it best when he said “we simply have reached the graphical limits of standard tv” Also, a huge difference is the physics and quality of the game’s A.I. Hundreds of o screen enemies that quickly and intelligently react and adapt to their environments. Its a diff. game evrytime you play a mission.

4. The controller is ergonomic and reacts very intuitively

5. The list of games coming: Oblivion, Too Human, Mass Effect, RE5, Gears of War, Halo 3

The reason I love 360 is because of the games. ITs that simple. 360 has games that i cant get on any other system.

If PS3 or rev. had those games I would buy them instead, simple, as, that.

WELL BY WHAT IT SUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU are saying brain you think the rev remote will be used for every function such as moveing yoyr charater ..and doing everthing needed to move ...

it won’t be use for everything ...like zelda zleda owuld be hte saqme but will soem rev remote functions like fishing and throwing and aiming but thats not that drastic
we think we know about the rev remote and what it wioll be used for ..but we have no clue really
you assume things about games and then say you wouldn’t like it

well my suggestion is ..wait till it comes out to play the demos of the rev or what ever at walmart or something and play it ...if you don’t like it don’t get it ......all im saying is give it a chance before you judge

oh and by what your saying and how much you love xbox you don’t sound like a nintendo fan.....just saying

Brain- Well thank you for your reasons. I like a lot of them. Like one of the main parts I’m getting an X360 is just for the online. And then they have the games I can’t get elsewhere that I must get such as these series:

KOTOR series- my favorite
Elder Scrolls
and a few others that are good for online.

I like the options that the X360 gives also but I don’t see how I would use them except for playing music during games. The rest I think I would just flip on my computer.

I can’t see the full graphics cause I don’t have a HDTV. I have to wait 4 years my parents say but by then I’ll just buy my own.

One of the main reasons that I’m iffy on the X360 is because of the controller to tell you the truth. It’s not evolutionary in my thoughts. It is very simple and just like every other conventional controller. I don’t see anything innovative about it. I was playing yesterday with it and I still get frustrated with the Black and White buttons cause I hate holding the controller wit 2 fingers hitting triggers.(hince why I never like the Sony controllers) And the size in my opinion is too small to fit the buttons.

And X360 has a lot of good games and some you can’t get elsewhere but that is exactly why I love the Revolution cause it has a whole library of games you just can’t get elsewhere such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Earthbound, Star Fox, Kirby, DK, ect.

Oh yah and sorry I do make long posts.

People I think are forgetting the reason why they should buy a game console in the first place. The software. I love xbox because all of my favorite game titles (Excluding a few like MGS and zelda) are all there.

The next important thing should defitely be features like online, hdd, controller

LAst should be the console’s hardware, why? Because all next gen. systems are going to have amazing quality, and (discarding rev. due to the unfairness of an apples to oranges comparison) they are basically the same in terms of system power.

Hey you stole my list in your thing:

1. gameplay
2. innovation
3. graphics

But yah your exactly right something I have been trying to say and everything for quite awhile. If you remember that topic I started called:

History backs up Nintendo: Shedding Some New Light

it explains exactly that and it is not something that gamers are forgetting it is mostly something the developers are forgetting and that is why when you had an NES you would get a good game every month but now you get a good one every half year or year. Developers need to get back to games and that is something I believe the revo will allow the developers to do cause they can focus on making new and innovative games with the controller while still having great graphics. But the controller will allow them to have gameplay as #1 again.