Is PS3 getting a fair start?

First of all shortages, secondly (no offense to anyone) 360 owners keep on bragging that Gears of war has better graphics than any ps3 game, while i am a 360 owner, and i agree Gears has amazing graphics, i think we need to give the ps3 sometime for developers to get used to the console so that they may develop games just as good or better than gears. I just think we need to give the ps3 some time.

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PS3 had its chance for a fair start but sony was arrogent and stupid and the launch was a flop. Finally after 7 months of definite bad choices they now start to fix things. Only things keeping the PS3 alive right now are Resistance and Virtua Fighter. I mean sony wanted to sell a 20 gig PS3 for $500, you can get the better Xbox 360 for $100 less. The $500 PS3 was a peice of crap because all the people who bought a PS3 got the $600 pack 10 to 1. The $500 pack is dead now and whatever sony’s next move is god lets hope they make things better for those who got a PS3.

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if sony is being held back by shortages, then why do 94% of stores across the us have ps3’s in them?

Where did 94% come from?

The 360 is dead now. It’s already outdated.

Playstation brand was the leading brandname coming into this generation and gamers wanted a lot out of it. And Sony didn’t deliver. They actually drifted away from what the mass market gamer wanted which PS1 and PS2 had supplied so well. Large game selection, a focus on video games, and a mass market price for games, accessories, and more importanly the system itself.

Thus you saw a lot of consoles being sold early for the PS3 due to the fanbase that didn’t care about those and then once it came down to renewing other loyalty and gettin the mass market gamers it started to fail and has lost millions of buyers to that of 360 and Wii. And this is not exclusive to America as it happened in Japan and is happening in Europe. After 3 weeks in the UK the PS3 is now saling worse than that of the Wii and barely more than the 360.

Zucas wrote: Playstation brand was the leading brandname coming into this generation and gamers wanted a lot out of it. And Sony didn’t deliver. They actually drifted away from what the mass market gamer wanted which PS1 and PS2 had supplied so well. Large game selection, a focus on video games, and a mass market price for games, accessories, and more importanly the system itself.

Thus you saw a lot of consoles being sold early for the PS3 due to the fanbase that didn’t care about those and then once it came down to renewing other loyalty and gettin the mass market gamers it started to fail and has lost millions of buyers to that of 360 and Wii. And this is not exclusive to America as it happened in Japan and is happening in Europe. After 3 weeks in the UK the PS3 is now saling worse than that of the Wii and barely more than the 360.

Wow, you’re one big idiot.

Sony has not lost any fans, they are disgruntled at the high price and are waiting for bigger games.

I read every message board, i never hear any Sony fan complain they hate Sony and went and bought a freakin Wii, you’re crazy. They may own a 360, but will eventually get a PS3.

Nothing surprising, it’s just you talking out your ass again

No I’m not talking out of my ass as for once you keep thinking I’m talking about the Sony hardcore fanbase. No I’m not. Actually most of those guys have already bought the PS3. I’m talking about the other 100 million buyers that bought the PS2 that are the mass market casual gamer. These are the guys that aren’t going back to the same brandname that they followed the last generation. I don’t feel that 5-10 million fanbase is as important as the 100 million mass market casual gamer userbase. Wouldn’t you agree?

Actually, those other Sony fans still want a PS3, they’re just unable to get it with the price being ridiculously high.

Um im not hardcore and i got it were its the most expensive <.< >.>

Exactly, it’s just making them want it more in a sense.

ok the when u see that the more expensive ps3 is selling more than the cheaper one it shows that the price hardly affects the sales, the ps3 already has games coming out that look beter than gears of war! such as lair that plays in 1080 p and 60 fps, twice the pixels twice the frame rate, and u should see the water shockwaves they are awsome!

P. Moore wrote: ok the when u see that the more expensive ps3 is selling more than the cheaper one it shows that the price hardly affects the sales, the ps3 already has games coming out that look beter than gears of war! such as lair that plays in 1080 p and 60 fps, twice the pixels twice the frame rate, and u should see the water shockwaves they are awsome!

It’s not outselling the cheaper ones. Where did you get that false implication.

PS3KICKS360 wrote: Um im not hardcore and i got it were its the most expensive <.< >.>

You come on a forum talking about video games. Trust me you fall in to that category of hardcore gamer haha.

Zucas wrote:

P. Moore wrote: ok the when u see that the more expensive ps3 is selling more than the cheaper one it shows that the price hardly affects the sales, the ps3 already has games coming out that look beter than gears of war! such as lair that plays in 1080 p and 60 fps, twice the pixels twice the frame rate, and u should see the water shockwaves they are awsome!

It’s not outselling the cheaper ones. Where did you get that false implication.

its selling more than the cheaper ps3, and the ps3 is doing better than the 360 at its launch

kev360 wrote: if sony is being held back by shortages, then why do 94% of stores across the us have ps3’s in them?

Because no-one buys them

Zucas wrote: No I’m not talking out of my ass as for once you keep thinking I’m talking about the Sony hardcore fanbase. No I’m not. Actually most of those guys have already bought the PS3. I’m talking about the other 100 million buyers that bought the PS2 that are the mass market casual gamer. These are the guys that aren’t going back to the same brandname that they followed the last generation. I don’t feel that 5-10 million fanbase is as important as the 100 million mass market casual gamer userbase. Wouldn’t you agree?

People do not like change, that is fact(most people). If all they know is Sony PS2 and liked it, they will go after PS3 sooner or later.

It’s like your first car is a Toyota and you loved it, never gave you problems. 99 percent of the time, those people will go back to Toyota, cause they know what they are getting.

So, those other 50% of the casual market(and casual market means, not hardcore, therefore the chances are all they played is that Sony product)will go back if they choose, if and when the ps2 dies.< That is a big reason PS3 has not caught fire yet either.

Anyways, thats my take.

P. Moore wrote:

Zucas wrote:

P. Moore wrote: ok the when u see that the more expensive ps3 is selling more than the cheaper one it shows that the price hardly affects the sales, the ps3 already has games coming out that look beter than gears of war! such as lair that plays in 1080 p and 60 fps, twice the pixels twice the frame rate, and u should see the water shockwaves they are awsome!

It’s not outselling the cheaper ones. Where did you get that false implication.

its selling more than the cheaper ps3, and the ps3 is doing better than the 360 at its launch

OH you mean the SKU’s. Well that’s a no brainer. Just like the 360 no one wanted the lesser version per say. Really the lower priced SKU’s were not for sales but marketing purposes. Thus you could advertise something for a lower price and get away with it legally.

And yea it’s been doing better than 360 at it’s launch but only barely. At least for North America. But right now it’s hard to see 360 as the console to beat as it is struggling mainly outside of North America. Everywhere else 360 is struggling a hell of a lot and both Wii and PS3 will if they haven’t already pass the 360 up. Both have done it in Japan as a no brainer and probably will do the same in Europe and Australia. At least the Wii is setup to do that. PS3. Well that’s a different story. PS3 had a huge opening week with Europe/PAL yet in it’s 3rd week sales are suffering. Worse than that is that there is no shortages whatsoever.

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Zucas wrote: No I’m not talking out of my ass as for once you keep thinking I’m talking about the Sony hardcore fanbase. No I’m not. Actually most of those guys have already bought the PS3. I’m talking about the other 100 million buyers that bought the PS2 that are the mass market casual gamer. These are the guys that aren’t going back to the same brandname that they followed the last generation. I don’t feel that 5-10 million fanbase is as important as the 100 million mass market casual gamer userbase. Wouldn’t you agree?

People do not like change, that is fact(most people). If all they know is Sony PS2 and liked it, they will go after PS3 sooner or later.

It’s like your first car is a Toyota and you loved it, never gave you problems. 99 percent of the time, those people will go back to Toyota, cause they know what they are getting.

So, those other 50% of the casual market(and casual market means, not hardcore, therefore the chances are all they played is that Sony product)will go back if they choose, if and when the ps2 dies.< That is a big reason PS3 has not caught fire yet either.

Anyways, thats my take.

absoultly true, i have stated that to many people lots of times but they dont get it, ps2 is still living it strong with more hit titles to come such as kh2 final mix and nico, once ps2 finally dies they will eventually go to the ps3 so they can play all their ps2 games

Hiroshama Nakasaki Is Back wrote:

Zucas wrote: No I’m not talking out of my ass as for once you keep thinking I’m talking about the Sony hardcore fanbase. No I’m not. Actually most of those guys have already bought the PS3. I’m talking about the other 100 million buyers that bought the PS2 that are the mass market casual gamer. These are the guys that aren’t going back to the same brandname that they followed the last generation. I don’t feel that 5-10 million fanbase is as important as the 100 million mass market casual gamer userbase. Wouldn’t you agree?

People do not like change, that is fact(most people). If all they know is Sony PS2 and liked it, they will go after PS3 sooner or later.

It’s like your first car is a Toyota and you loved it, never gave you problems. 99 percent of the time, those people will go back to Toyota, cause they know what they are getting.

So, those other 50% of the casual market(and casual market means, not hardcore, therefore the chances are all they played is that Sony product)will go back if they choose, if and when the ps2 dies.< That is a big reason PS3 has not caught fire yet either.

Anyways, thats my take.

That is a good point but I really dont' see that happening. The first point would be to take Japan for an instance. The market has totally flipped wiht the DS and now the Wii. PSP came in and failed because of the DS. And with that new installed brandname Wii succeeds while PS3 doesn’t.

Brandnames do shift. And it has shifted in Japan with the gaming market. It’s gone from Sony to Nintendo in a matter of 2 years.

And we’ve seen brandnames change. If brandnames never changed then hell Nintendo should still be at the top in America right. Cause then PS1 would never have had a chance.

The point is brandnames change depending on which console supplies the best. PS1 came out 2 years before N64 did and 1 yr in America. And it got the dev support not N64. Although N64 had a lot of good games PS1 had a lot more and that was the deciding factor. Especially in the European and Japanese areas. If you look at the battle N64 didn’t lose in NA it lost in Japan and Europe. Same for GC and Xbox in loss to PS2. The major loss is coming from Europe and Japan.

But I really do think the market brandname has changed. I think it’s really starting to turn against Sony and your not going to see PS2 like sales of the PS3. You probably wont' even see half those sales put up. It really just doesn’t look like a possibility for it right now. With a hard loss going into Japan and Europe, after launch hype died down, going bad as well Wii may take over where it has been beaten the last 2 generation. One console doesn’t need to own NA to win cause it’s going to be split pretty evenly or not have that big of a lead over one another. It’s about taking Japan and Europe right now. It’s about getting those 60 million buyers right now that normally have never been split 50/50 or 30/30/30. Always been a more 80/20 turnout. Japan and Europe have shown they can only support one big console. America can sport up 3.



But now that we are at least talking on non bashin levels I’d just like you to explain to me with numbers, if ya don’t mind, how Wii can fall to 3rd and PS3 to 2nd or 1st. I mean I can show a way but it’s very very improbable at this point. But if you dont' mind would be great. I’m curious actually to see how you are looking at this.

P. Moore wrote:

Hiroshama Nakasaki Is Back wrote:

Zucas wrote: No I’m not talking out of my ass as for once you keep thinking I’m talking about the Sony hardcore fanbase. No I’m not. Actually most of those guys have already bought the PS3. I’m talking about the other 100 million buyers that bought the PS2 that are the mass market casual gamer. These are the guys that aren’t going back to the same brandname that they followed the last generation. I don’t feel that 5-10 million fanbase is as important as the 100 million mass market casual gamer userbase. Wouldn’t you agree?

People do not like change, that is fact(most people). If all they know is Sony PS2 and liked it, they will go after PS3 sooner or later.

It’s like your first car is a Toyota and you loved it, never gave you problems. 99 percent of the time, those people will go back to Toyota, cause they know what they are getting.

So, those other 50% of the casual market(and casual market means, not hardcore, therefore the chances are all they played is that Sony product)will go back if they choose, if and when the ps2 dies.< That is a big reason PS3 has not caught fire yet either.

Anyways, thats my take.

absoultly true, i have stated that to many people lots of times but they dont get it, ps2 is still living it strong with more hit titles to come such as kh2 final mix and nico, once ps2 finally dies they will eventually go to the ps3 so they can play all their ps2 games

But I don’t understand why they would think like that. Why? They just jumped from a system that cost them $300 to one 2x as expensive. Not only that but games cost $10 more. And even further the game selection on the console is a lot more limited than the other 2. And even further most of those great titles they loved have either jumped ship or become multiplatform.

Like explain in detail how they would think like this. As I dont' see it. The whole point of the PS2 was a mass market appeal. I don’t see how PS3 has that.