Cloud: (cheap shot) minshira or what ever that flashy thing is, knights of the round table, omni slash incredably heavy sword, able to deflect bullets probably arrows too. he can sommon bahaumut...i think.
Link: dins fire, final smash from ssbb, hurricane spin, and the (cheap shot) Light arrows from wind waker (kills any enemy instantly, ignores any kind of defence and you aperently dont have to be evil for this to happen.) and the giants mask and Fierce diety mask, and mirror shield. with faires all over the place.
Its a tie, They both have cheap moves that can kill instantly, they both have revival abilities and magic that can be used up or over looked, they both end up dead or they end up alive.
if you dont like a draw then tell me were their fighting, what they have to use and if two GOOD GUYS really need to fight each outher.
Arrows would be useless against Cloud, considering he can deflect bullets, remember, that Zack was deflecting bullets with the Buster Sword, and Cloud’s feats of abilities would have far surpassed Zack’s by the time Cloud is in AC and Dirge of Cerberus.
I have yet to see Link “move” at the speed in which Cloud moves at. Not to mention, I’ve never witnessed Link jumping multiple stories into the air and defying gravity the way Cloud does.
Nor have I seen Link splitting gigantic concrete or metal debris in half with a mere swing from a sword that isn’t even magical to begin with.
Omnislash needs to be seriously considered, because it is the Ultimate Attack, as in, it renders all forms of Defenses, useless, this is reason why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth in AC, w/o it, Cloud would have been ocved (that and the fact that if Sephiroth had actually tried to kill him instead of toy with him as usual).
“If” Cloud was given the abilities to utilize Materia...he would become pretty retarded. Stop, Slow, Haste, Summons, etc, etc...imagine those for a second here.
Link’s maneurvability isn’t that great, in fact, it’s been accounted into his gameplay all the time, as to why he’s never very fast, given a game like SSBB may not be “canon” however the interpretation of taking in that Link carrying bombs, boomrang, arrows, bow, sword, and shield, etc, etc, makes him slower.
Cloud would outpace Link in the fight easily (even more if he uses Haste Materia), and let’s be real here, if Cloud’s fast enough to react to and deflect bullets, that would mean that his reaction to counter and attack would be greater then Links as well (Unless someone can canonically prove to me that Link is on the same caliber).
I would arguably give Link the edge in durability, simply because of his armory that he can obtain, however I’ve never seen Link getting sent across the sky and ripping through a concrete building with nothing but clothing on his back either as to what occurred to Cloud when Sephiroth sent him across the sky to a Shinra building in AC.
Imo, Cloud would win this match up, although Link is a strong character himself, Cloud would outpace Link easily, and the big factor of Omnislash breaking through any form of defense, so regardless of what Link would have, Omnislash would put the hurt on him.
Again, I don’t mind “changing” my statement, if I get some canonical things that makes me believe Link can hang, if not beat out Cloud, however otherwise, I vouch for Cloud.
Bub wrote:
Arrows would be useless against Cloud, considering he can deflect bullets, remember, that Zack was deflecting bullets with the Buster Sword, and Cloud’s feats of abilities would have far surpassed Zack’s by the time Cloud is in AC and Dirge of Cerberus.
I have yet to see Link “move” at the speed in which Cloud moves at. Not to mention, I’ve never witnessed Link jumping multiple stories into the air and defying gravity the way Cloud does.
Nor have I seen Link splitting gigantic concrete or metal debris in half with a mere swing from a sword that isn’t even magical to begin with.
Omnislash needs to be seriously considered, because it is the Ultimate Attack, as in, it renders all forms of Defenses, useless, this is reason why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth in AC, w/o it, Cloud would have been ocved (that and the fact that if Sephiroth had actually tried to kill him instead of toy with him as usual).
“If” Cloud was given the abilities to utilize Materia...he would become pretty retarded. Stop, Slow, Haste, Summons, etc, etc...imagine those for a second here.
Link’s maneurvability isn’t that great, in fact, it’s been accounted into his gameplay all the time, as to why he’s never very fast, given a game like SSBB may not be “canon” however the interpretation of taking in that Link carrying bombs, boomrang, arrows, bow, sword, and shield, etc, etc, makes him slower.
Cloud would outpace Link in the fight easily (even more if he uses Haste Materia), and let’s be real here, if Cloud’s fast enough to react to and deflect bullets, that would mean that his reaction to counter and attack would be greater then Links as well (Unless someone can canonically prove to me that Link is on the same caliber).
I would arguably give Link the edge in durability, simply because of his armory that he can obtain, however I’ve never seen Link getting sent across the sky and ripping through a concrete building with nothing but clothing on his back either as to what occurred to Cloud when Sephiroth sent him across the sky to a Shinra building in AC.
Imo, Cloud would win this match up, although Link is a strong character himself, Cloud would outpace Link easily, and the big factor of Omnislash breaking through any form of defense, so regardless of what Link would have, Omnislash would put the hurt on him.
Again, I don’t mind “changing” my statement, if I get some canonical things that makes me believe Link can hang, if not beat out Cloud, however otherwise, I vouch for Cloud.
Cloud is nowhere near as strong as Zack. Zack was able to beat both bahamuts, Genesis, Angeal, and was able to go head to head with sephrioth at his fullest(in swordsmanship of coarse) all by himself. In AC, Cloud needed his allies to takedown that one bahamut. Sephrioth was also toying with Cloud( which is why he was fighting so weak) Agree with the rest of the first statement.
Cloud is actually not really fast if anything he is more on OOT Links level of speed( unless your talking about OmniSlash.)OOT/MM Link, and WW Link have kept up with things as fast as Loz and faster(Majoras incarnation, Phantom Ganon,) Cloud was able to cut up those boulders because of his swords cutting ability, In which case WW Link made a whole barrier the size of Hyrule castle shatter with his sword. The rest I agree in the second statement. Im going to debate the rest of it later.
Bub wrote:
Arrows would be useless against Cloud, considering he can deflect bullets, remember, that Zack was deflecting bullets with the Buster Sword, and Cloud’s feats of abilities would have far surpassed Zack’s by the time Cloud is in AC and Dirge of Cerberus.
I have yet to see Link “move” at the speed in which Cloud moves at. Not to mention, I’ve never witnessed Link jumping multiple stories into the air and defying gravity the way Cloud does.
Nor have I seen Link splitting gigantic concrete or metal debris in half with a mere swing from a sword that isn’t even magical to begin with.
Omnislash needs to be seriously considered, because it is the Ultimate Attack, as in, it renders all forms of Defenses, useless, this is reason why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth in AC, w/o it, Cloud would have been ocved (that and the fact that if Sephiroth had actually tried to kill him instead of toy with him as usual).
“If” Cloud was given the abilities to utilize Materia...he would become pretty retarded. Stop, Slow, Haste, Summons, etc, etc...imagine those for a second here.
Link’s maneurvability isn’t that great, in fact, it’s been accounted into his gameplay all the time, as to why he’s never very fast, given a game like SSBB may not be “canon” however the interpretation of taking in that Link carrying bombs, boomrang, arrows, bow, sword, and shield, etc, etc, makes him slower.
Cloud would outpace Link in the fight easily (even more if he uses Haste Materia), and let’s be real here, if Cloud’s fast enough to react to and deflect bullets, that would mean that his reaction to counter and attack would be greater then Links as well (Unless someone can canonically prove to me that Link is on the same caliber).
I would arguably give Link the edge in durability, simply because of his armory that he can obtain, however I’ve never seen Link getting sent across the sky and ripping through a concrete building with nothing but clothing on his back either as to what occurred to Cloud when Sephiroth sent him across the sky to a Shinra building in AC.
Imo, Cloud would win this match up, although Link is a strong character himself, Cloud would outpace Link easily, and the big factor of Omnislash breaking through any form of defense, so regardless of what Link would have, Omnislash would put the hurt on him.
Again, I don’t mind “changing” my statement, if I get some canonical things that makes me believe Link can hang, if not beat out Cloud, however otherwise, I vouch for Cloud.
Cloud is nowhere near as strong as Zack. Zack was able to beat both bahamuts, Genesis, Angeal, and was able to go head to head with sephrioth at his fullest(in swordsmanship of coarse) all by himself. In AC, Cloud needed his allies to takedown that one bahamut. Sephrioth was also toying with Cloud( which is why he was fighting so weak) Agree with the rest of the first statement.
Cloud is actually not really fast if anything he is more on OOT Links level of speed( unless your talking about OmniSlash.)OOT/MM Link, and WW Link have kept up with things as fast as Loz and faster(Majoras incarnation, Phantom Ganon,) Cloud was able to cut up those boulders because of his swords cutting ability, In which case WW Link made a whole barrier the size of Hyrule castle shatter with his sword. The rest I agree in the second statement. Im going to debate the rest of it later.
Genesis got a lot weaker after he fought Sephiroth, so that doesn’t really mean anything.
Bub wrote:
Arrows would be useless against Cloud, considering he can deflect bullets, remember, that Zack was deflecting bullets with the Buster Sword, and Cloud’s feats of abilities would have far surpassed Zack’s by the time Cloud is in AC and Dirge of Cerberus.
I have yet to see Link “move” at the speed in which Cloud moves at. Not to mention, I’ve never witnessed Link jumping multiple stories into the air and defying gravity the way Cloud does.
Nor have I seen Link splitting gigantic concrete or metal debris in half with a mere swing from a sword that isn’t even magical to begin with.
Omnislash needs to be seriously considered, because it is the Ultimate Attack, as in, it renders all forms of Defenses, useless, this is reason why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth in AC, w/o it, Cloud would have been ocved (that and the fact that if Sephiroth had actually tried to kill him instead of toy with him as usual).
“If” Cloud was given the abilities to utilize Materia...he would become pretty retarded. Stop, Slow, Haste, Summons, etc, etc...imagine those for a second here.
Link’s maneurvability isn’t that great, in fact, it’s been accounted into his gameplay all the time, as to why he’s never very fast, given a game like SSBB may not be “canon” however the interpretation of taking in that Link carrying bombs, boomrang, arrows, bow, sword, and shield, etc, etc, makes him slower.
Cloud would outpace Link in the fight easily (even more if he uses Haste Materia), and let’s be real here, if Cloud’s fast enough to react to and deflect bullets, that would mean that his reaction to counter and attack would be greater then Links as well (Unless someone can canonically prove to me that Link is on the same caliber).
I would arguably give Link the edge in durability, simply because of his armory that he can obtain, however I’ve never seen Link getting sent across the sky and ripping through a concrete building with nothing but clothing on his back either as to what occurred to Cloud when Sephiroth sent him across the sky to a Shinra building in AC.
Imo, Cloud would win this match up, although Link is a strong character himself, Cloud would outpace Link easily, and the big factor of Omnislash breaking through any form of defense, so regardless of what Link would have, Omnislash would put the hurt on him.
Again, I don’t mind “changing” my statement, if I get some canonical things that makes me believe Link can hang, if not beat out Cloud, however otherwise, I vouch for Cloud.
Cloud is nowhere near as strong as Zack. Zack was able to beat both bahamuts, Genesis, Angeal, and was able to go head to head with sephrioth at his fullest(in swordsmanship of coarse) all by himself. In AC, Cloud needed his allies to takedown that one bahamut. Sephrioth was also toying with Cloud( which is why he was fighting so weak) Agree with the rest of the first statement.
Cloud is actually not really fast if anything he is more on OOT Links level of speed( unless your talking about OmniSlash.)OOT/MM Link, and WW Link have kept up with things as fast as Loz and faster(Majoras incarnation, Phantom Ganon,) Cloud was able to cut up those boulders because of his swords cutting ability, In which case WW Link made a whole barrier the size of Hyrule castle shatter with his sword. The rest I agree in the second statement. Im going to debate the rest of it later.
Genesis got a lot weaker after he fought Sephiroth, so that doesn’t really mean anything.
Bub wrote:
Arrows would be useless against Cloud, considering he can deflect bullets, remember, that Zack was deflecting bullets with the Buster Sword, and Cloud’s feats of abilities would have far surpassed Zack’s by the time Cloud is in AC and Dirge of Cerberus.
I have yet to see Link “move” at the speed in which Cloud moves at. Not to mention, I’ve never witnessed Link jumping multiple stories into the air and defying gravity the way Cloud does.
Nor have I seen Link splitting gigantic concrete or metal debris in half with a mere swing from a sword that isn’t even magical to begin with.
Omnislash needs to be seriously considered, because it is the Ultimate Attack, as in, it renders all forms of Defenses, useless, this is reason why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth in AC, w/o it, Cloud would have been ocved (that and the fact that if Sephiroth had actually tried to kill him instead of toy with him as usual).
“If” Cloud was given the abilities to utilize Materia...he would become pretty retarded. Stop, Slow, Haste, Summons, etc, etc...imagine those for a second here.
Link’s maneurvability isn’t that great, in fact, it’s been accounted into his gameplay all the time, as to why he’s never very fast, given a game like SSBB may not be “canon” however the interpretation of taking in that Link carrying bombs, boomrang, arrows, bow, sword, and shield, etc, etc, makes him slower.
Cloud would outpace Link in the fight easily (even more if he uses Haste Materia), and let’s be real here, if Cloud’s fast enough to react to and deflect bullets, that would mean that his reaction to counter and attack would be greater then Links as well (Unless someone can canonically prove to me that Link is on the same caliber).
I would arguably give Link the edge in durability, simply because of his armory that he can obtain, however I’ve never seen Link getting sent across the sky and ripping through a concrete building with nothing but clothing on his back either as to what occurred to Cloud when Sephiroth sent him across the sky to a Shinra building in AC.
Imo, Cloud would win this match up, although Link is a strong character himself, Cloud would outpace Link easily, and the big factor of Omnislash breaking through any form of defense, so regardless of what Link would have, Omnislash would put the hurt on him.
Again, I don’t mind “changing” my statement, if I get some canonical things that makes me believe Link can hang, if not beat out Cloud, however otherwise, I vouch for Cloud.
I belive OOT Link or WW Link would win because:
OOT/MM Link: More stratigic, faster, easy accessable items, ect
WW Link: Look above. He is also even faster.
Bub wrote:
Arrows would be useless against Cloud, considering he can deflect bullets, remember, that Zack was deflecting bullets with the Buster Sword, and Cloud’s feats of abilities would have far surpassed Zack’s by the time Cloud is in AC and Dirge of Cerberus.
I have yet to see Link “move” at the speed in which Cloud moves at. Not to mention, I’ve never witnessed Link jumping multiple stories into the air and defying gravity the way Cloud does.
Nor have I seen Link splitting gigantic concrete or metal debris in half with a mere swing from a sword that isn’t even magical to begin with.
Omnislash needs to be seriously considered, because it is the Ultimate Attack, as in, it renders all forms of Defenses, useless, this is reason why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth in AC, w/o it, Cloud would have been ocved (that and the fact that if Sephiroth had actually tried to kill him instead of toy with him as usual).
“If” Cloud was given the abilities to utilize Materia...he would become pretty retarded. Stop, Slow, Haste, Summons, etc, etc...imagine those for a second here.
Link’s maneurvability isn’t that great, in fact, it’s been accounted into his gameplay all the time, as to why he’s never very fast, given a game like SSBB may not be “canon” however the interpretation of taking in that Link carrying bombs, boomrang, arrows, bow, sword, and shield, etc, etc, makes him slower.
Cloud would outpace Link in the fight easily (even more if he uses Haste Materia), and let’s be real here, if Cloud’s fast enough to react to and deflect bullets, that would mean that his reaction to counter and attack would be greater then Links as well (Unless someone can canonically prove to me that Link is on the same caliber).
I would arguably give Link the edge in durability, simply because of his armory that he can obtain, however I’ve never seen Link getting sent across the sky and ripping through a concrete building with nothing but clothing on his back either as to what occurred to Cloud when Sephiroth sent him across the sky to a Shinra building in AC.
Imo, Cloud would win this match up, although Link is a strong character himself, Cloud would outpace Link easily, and the big factor of Omnislash breaking through any form of defense, so regardless of what Link would have, Omnislash would put the hurt on him.
Again, I don’t mind “changing” my statement, if I get some canonical things that makes me believe Link can hang, if not beat out Cloud, however otherwise, I vouch for Cloud.
I belive OOT Link or WW Link would win because:
OOT/MM Link: More stratigic, faster, easy accessable items, ect
WW Link: Look above. He is also even faster.
As I lay dying wrote:
Cloud is nowhere near as strong as Zack. Zack was able to beat both bahamuts, Genesis, Angeal, and was able to go head to head with sephrioth at his fullest(in swordsmanship of coarse) all by himself. In AC, Cloud needed his allies to takedown that one bahamut. Sephrioth was also toying with Cloud( which is why he was fighting so weak) Agree with the rest of the first statement.
Cloud defeated Bahamut with very little effort, and let’s be real. Cloud did not need help, that whole throwing Cloud up into the air there was nothing but a plot ploy, because Cloud did end up defeating Bahamut by himself.
Not to mention Zack never ever stood a chance against Sephiroth in Crisis Core...just watch this again...
Where does Zack show he’s got the upper hand? In fact, Zack is showing that he’s struggling against Sephiroth, just like Cloud was, in fact, Sephiroth is showing no strains of struggle or frustration at any point in this battle.
In fact, when has Sephiroth ever shown signs of struggle period?
Nobody is on Sephiroth’s lvl of swordsmenship, not even Zack. In fact, comparing Zack vs Pre-VII Sephiroth to AC Cloud vs AC Sephiroth is rather mute, considering AC Sephiroth is dramatically far more powerful then Pre-VII Sephiroth ever was.
So Cloud struggling more against AC Sephiroth would make sense, since this AC Sephiroth is even officially stated to be the most powerful Sephiroth yet (still holding back his true powers though).
As I lay dying wrote:
Cloud is actually not really fast if anything he is more on OOT Links level of speed( unless your talking about OmniSlash.)OOT/MM Link, and WW Link have kept up with things as fast as Loz and faster(Majoras incarnation, Phantom Ganon,) Cloud was able to cut up those boulders because of his swords cutting ability, In which case WW Link made a whole barrier the size of Hyrule castle shatter with his sword. The rest I agree in the second statement. Im going to debate the rest of it later.
Genesis got a lot weaker after he fought Sephiroth, so that doesn’t really mean anything.
I haven’t seen Link being able to reflect and deflect bullet speed projectiles in the same manner that Cloud has done. Remember that a 9mm bullet travels at 681 mph, and the gun that was being fired at Cloud which Yazoo was using would have easily obtained this speed, considering the firearm Yazoo was using would have most likely acceded this speed.
In fact, the greatest projectile speeds in being thrown at Link in most cases are arrows, and they travel significantly slower then bullets do. So unless you can show me something of Link deflecting bullet speed projectiles then I would have to disagree with you here.
Also, the useage of multiple Links I find ridiculous as well. Because this will become an ongoing cycle of “Well OOT Link can do this...NO...well MM Link can do this." comments.
Seriously, if we do that, I minus will say, will Cloud uses Stop, Hast, Slow, Phoenix Summon+Final Attack, Ultima, Flare etc, etc. When Cloud summons Stop...what’s Link going to do? Especially if Cloud already has Haste activated? Again, it gets pointless and stupid.
Also, Link shattering a barrier doesn’t mean Link can rip debris in half in the same lvl of Cloud. If by your statement was true, then why couldn’t Link have just cut through giant boulders that stood in his path? Why would Link need bombs and his Gloves to remove such obstacles in his way if his “sword” could cut through debris?
It doesn’t make sense to me, and it shouldn’t to you either, so again, I disagree with your above statements.
I still stand by Cloud on this, and please, let’s use ONE version of Link, NOT the 23049823094238 Link’s rolled into one...otherwise it’ll become as repetitive as those Superman people who use 23094823904823 versions of Superman to prove their case.
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