LINK VS CLOUD 2

I have just looked over the first huge forum argument of this and wanted to put in my 2 bits or 200 bits. I like both Cloud and Link and in some senses I even see them as role models. Their cool look and interesting fighting style inspires me as well as numerous other characters. As a martial artist I can give a different perspective. First Link and Cloud appear to live in different worlds with different laws of physics or they are the same as our world and the mako poisoning that Cloud got in Crisis Core really powered up his strength (eg jumping ability, ability to wield huge sword with ease). He might have also trained to jump higher in addition to the mako poisioning making him stronger (since these are fictional characters we can only go on info in the games, movies, info the creators give us and theories we think up).

Martial Arts - Final fantasy - Zelda Fan wrote: I have just looked over the first huge forum argument of this and wanted to put in my 2 bits or 200 bits. I like both Cloud and Link and in some senses I even see them as role models. Their cool look and interesting fighting style inspires me as well as numerous other characters. As a martial artist I can give a different perspective. First Link and Cloud appear to live in different worlds with different laws of physics or they are the same as our world and the mako poisoning that Cloud got in Crisis Core really powered up his strength (eg jumping ability, ability to wield huge sword with ease). He might have also trained to jump higher in addition to the mako poisioning making him stronger (since these are fictional characters we can only go on info in the games, movies, info the creators give us and theories we think up).

...or Cloud would just own Link.

I have just looked over the first huge forum argument of this and wanted to put in my 2 bits or 200 bits. I like both Cloud and Link and in some senses I even see them as role models. Their cool look and interesting fighting style inspires me as well as numerous other characters. As a martial artist I can give a different perspective. First Link and Cloud appear to live in different worlds with different laws of physics or they are the same as our world and the mako poisoning that Cloud got in Crisis Core really powered up his strength (eg jumping ability, ability to wield huge sword with ease). He might have also trained to jump higher in addition to the mako poisioning making him stronger (since these are fictional characters we can only go on info in the games, movies, info the creators give us and theories we think up).

sry i accidently posted a bunch of times heres the rest of my statememt:

Clouds body was not as strong as Zacks when he was poisoned because it says in Crisis Core that Zacks body resisted the poisioning and Clouds was not strong enough to resist the poisioning that he was in a type of coma for a while.Obviously its the mako poisoning plus any training or experience he had up til ff7 and then the experiences in FF7 and Advent Children (not to mention his training as a shinra soldier) which have made him to be the strong fighter he is.

and the last part:
Link (I talk about the one in Ocarina of Time and in Twilight Princess) has his fair share of experience which he is sorta forced into (so he can`t worry to much if he can do a crazy move or proper technique or not. all he had to worry about was if his current strength and skill was enough to take on the monsters and ganondorf) his Role of saving Hyrule. I think his biggest strengths were his courage and initiative and strength of mind considering most people would think that such a task would be too much for them and they would run and hide. He may not have been as strong as Cloud was physically but he learned his strengths on the job. When faced with someone bigger and stronger he probably found the best thing to use for someone of his body type was strategy and evasiveness as just trying to become stronger physically would waste alot of time and he had a bit of a time limit (Ganondorf conquering Hyrule, people dying). Plus there is the fact that no matter how big or strong a person is everyone has a weak spot. So Links strengths became how to use his brain to overcome his enemies and then the courage and initiative to try them out. He gained alot of tools to help him giving him more options and versatility and so Link is more well rounded than Cloud. With the help of the fairies, great fairies, a few magic spells and a load of tools he combined every thing to defeat Ganondorf. In todays world he would probably be a jack of all trades doing different jobs. Cloud is more of a one trick pony. He specializes in using his big sword, materia, jumping ability and thats it. He is very good at what he does and very strong. Quite a force of will once he focuses on something. In todays world he would find it hard to adapt. If he found something he would focus on it and get good at it but he isn`t the most social person either. He`s got a good heart but he doesn`t know how to express his feelings to others. Another interesting note to add is Cloud is aided by others with their own specializations and so as a team they are a force to reckon with. Link is aided by people and faeries yet when he is actually confronting monsters and Ganondorf he is 95% of the time alone especially when it comes to the fighting part (unless you include Navi). In a fight Cloud would have to end the fight fast if he was to win because Link is a faster learner and he would find his weak spot perhaps by combining strategies with his tools and trying different things out. If they fought in this world some of their techniques would fail and it would be the fighter who makes the most mistakes would lose. the first fighter to capitalize on the opponents mistake would win. If Link went head on he would lose. If Link lured Cloud into a position he wasn`t familiar with Cloud would get confused and most likely lose. Either way it would be a toss up as no two fights are the same. They are both interesting and exciting fighters. I wonder if a fighting game would come outa this.

Martial Arts - Final fantasy - Zelda Fan wrote: and the last part:
Link (I talk about the one in Ocarina of Time and in Twilight Princess) has his fair share of experience which he is sorta forced into (so he can`t worry to much if he can do a crazy move or proper technique or not. all he had to worry about was if his current strength and skill was enough to take on the monsters and ganondorf) his Role of saving Hyrule. I think his biggest strengths were his courage and initiative and strength of mind considering most people would think that such a task would be too much for them and they would run and hide. He may not have been as strong as Cloud was physically but he learned his strengths on the job. When faced with someone bigger and stronger he probably found the best thing to use for someone of his body type was strategy and evasiveness as just trying to become stronger physically would waste alot of time and he had a bit of a time limit (Ganondorf conquering Hyrule, people dying). Plus there is the fact that no matter how big or strong a person is everyone has a weak spot. So Links strengths became how to use his brain to overcome his enemies and then the courage and initiative to try them out. He gained alot of tools to help him giving him more options and versatility and so Link is more well rounded than Cloud. With the help of the fairies, great fairies, a few magic spells and a load of tools he combined every thing to defeat Ganondorf. In todays world he would probably be a jack of all trades doing different jobs. Cloud is more of a one trick pony. He specializes in using his big sword, materia, jumping ability and thats it. He is very good at what he does and very strong. Quite a force of will once he focuses on something. In todays world he would find it hard to adapt. If he found something he would focus on it and get good at it but he isn`t the most social person either. He`s got a good heart but he doesn`t know how to express his feelings to others. Another interesting note to add is Cloud is aided by others with their own specializations and so as a team they are a force to reckon with. Link is aided by people and faeries yet when he is actually confronting monsters and Ganondorf he is 95% of the time alone especially when it comes to the fighting part (unless you include Navi). In a fight Cloud would have to end the fight fast if he was to win because Link is a faster learner and he would find his weak spot perhaps by combining strategies with his tools and trying different things out. If they fought in this world some of their techniques would fail and it would be the fighter who makes the most mistakes would lose. the first fighter to capitalize on the opponents mistake would win. If Link went head on he would lose. If Link lured Cloud into a position he wasn`t familiar with Cloud would get confused and most likely lose. Either way it would be a toss up as no two fights are the same. They are both interesting and exciting fighters. I wonder if a fighting game would come outa this.

Here’s why I think Cloud would win.

I’ll square with you now, I know NOTHING about Link. But, I favor Cloud’s martial skills. I hinge this on Advent Children, when he deflected Yazoo’s bullets at least five times (I counted) — some at point blank range. The huge mass of his blade only makes the feat more impressive.

as a reminder just cuz you are stronger does not mean that you will win a fight. If the stronger fighter can`t hit the other guy then his strength is useless. A faster fighter is more likely to hit the guy but if the faster fighter can`t effect the stronger fighter his speed is useless. However hitting weak areas and hitting the same spot over and over can result in the faster weaker fighter winning. But if the stronger fighter traps the faster fighter the faster fighters options will become limited and it becomes knowledge and will that will decide the fight. Does the faster fighter know the escape or can he figure out the escape and if he attempts to escape can the stronger fighter nullify all his attempts. NOBODY KNOWS UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY FIGHT!!! Strength is not everything in a fight and yet it is still a valid threat and can supplement the techniques and tools, knowledge and will that a fighter has.

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Martial Arts - Final fantasy - Zelda Fan wrote: and the last part:
Link (I talk about the one in Ocarina of Time and in Twilight Princess) has his fair share of experience which he is sorta forced into (so he can`t worry to much if he can do a crazy move or proper technique or not. all he had to worry about was if his current strength and skill was enough to take on the monsters and ganondorf) his Role of saving Hyrule. I think his biggest strengths were his courage and initiative and strength of mind considering most people would think that such a task would be too much for them and they would run and hide. He may not have been as strong as Cloud was physically but he learned his strengths on the job. When faced with someone bigger and stronger he probably found the best thing to use for someone of his body type was strategy and evasiveness as just trying to become stronger physically would waste alot of time and he had a bit of a time limit (Ganondorf conquering Hyrule, people dying). Plus there is the fact that no matter how big or strong a person is everyone has a weak spot. So Links strengths became how to use his brain to overcome his enemies and then the courage and initiative to try them out. He gained alot of tools to help him giving him more options and versatility and so Link is more well rounded than Cloud. With the help of the fairies, great fairies, a few magic spells and a load of tools he combined every thing to defeat Ganondorf. In todays world he would probably be a jack of all trades doing different jobs. Cloud is more of a one trick pony. He specializes in using his big sword, materia, jumping ability and thats it. He is very good at what he does and very strong. Quite a force of will once he focuses on something. In todays world he would find it hard to adapt. If he found something he would focus on it and get good at it but he isn`t the most social person either. He`s got a good heart but he doesn`t know how to express his feelings to others. Another interesting note to add is Cloud is aided by others with their own specializations and so as a team they are a force to reckon with. Link is aided by people and faeries yet when he is actually confronting monsters and Ganondorf he is 95% of the time alone especially when it comes to the fighting part (unless you include Navi). In a fight Cloud would have to end the fight fast if he was to win because Link is a faster learner and he would find his weak spot perhaps by combining strategies with his tools and trying different things out. If they fought in this world some of their techniques would fail and it would be the fighter who makes the most mistakes would lose. the first fighter to capitalize on the opponents mistake would win. If Link went head on he would lose. If Link lured Cloud into a position he wasn`t familiar with Cloud would get confused and most likely lose. Either way it would be a toss up as no two fights are the same. They are both interesting and exciting fighters. I wonder if a fighting game would come outa this.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnV4g8v3o_E]Here’s why I think Cloud would win.[/url]

I dont know what you mean but its a funny video

I say Dante jumps in and muders the shit out of both of them with Yamato, Rebellion, and Ebony n' Ivory. Dante wins this by OVERKILL!

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As I lay dying wrote: Cloud is nowhere near as strong as Zack. Zack was able to beat both bahamuts, Genesis, Angeal, and was able to go head to head with sephrioth at his fullest(in swordsmanship of coarse) all by himself. In AC, Cloud needed his allies to takedown that one bahamut. Sephrioth was also toying with Cloud( which is why he was fighting so weak) Agree with the rest of the first statement.

Cloud defeated Bahamut with very little effort, and let’s be real. Cloud did not need help, that whole throwing Cloud up into the air there was nothing but a plot ploy, because Cloud did end up defeating Bahamut by himself.

Not to mention Zack never ever stood a chance against Sephiroth in Crisis Core...just watch this again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clW1nZVrBzE&feature=related

Where does Zack show he’s got the upper hand? In fact, Zack is showing that he’s struggling against Sephiroth, just like Cloud was, in fact, Sephiroth is showing no strains of struggle or frustration at any point in this battle.

In fact, when has Sephiroth ever shown signs of struggle period?

Nobody is on Sephiroth’s lvl of swordsmenship, not even Zack. In fact, comparing Zack vs Pre-VII Sephiroth to AC Cloud vs AC Sephiroth is rather mute, considering AC Sephiroth is dramatically far more powerful then Pre-VII Sephiroth ever was.

So Cloud struggling more against AC Sephiroth would make sense, since this AC Sephiroth is even officially stated to be the most powerful Sephiroth yet (still holding back his true powers though).

As I lay dying wrote: Cloud is actually not really fast if anything he is more on OOT Links level of speed( unless your talking about OmniSlash.)OOT/MM Link, and WW Link have kept up with things as fast as Loz and faster(Majoras incarnation, Phantom Ganon,) Cloud was able to cut up those boulders because of his swords cutting ability, In which case WW Link made a whole barrier the size of Hyrule castle shatter with his sword. The rest I agree in the second statement. Im going to debate the rest of it later.

Genesis got a lot weaker after he fought Sephiroth, so that doesn’t really mean anything.

As far as my Knowledge goes I agree


I haven’t seen Link being able to reflect and deflect bullet speed projectiles in the same manner that Cloud has done. Remember that a 9mm bullet travels at 681 mph, and the gun that was being fired at Cloud which Yazoo was using would have easily obtained this speed, considering the firearm Yazoo was using would have most likely acceded this speed.

In fact, the greatest projectile speeds in being thrown at Link in most cases are arrows, and they travel significantly slower then bullets do. So unless you can show me something of Link deflecting bullet speed projectiles then I would have to disagree with you here.

I wasn’t talking about reflexes I’m talking about movement speed( how fast a character can move around and such.) Compared to MM Link and WW Link INDIVIDUALLY, Cloud is slower and also less nimble.

Also, the useage of multiple Links I find ridiculous as well. Because this will become an ongoing cycle of “Well OOT Link can do this...NO...well MM Link can do this." comments.

I don’t think you are getting what I’m saying. I’m comparing Cloud to MM and WW Link individually.

Seriously, if we do that, I minus will say, will Cloud uses Stop, Hast, Slow, Phoenix Summon+Final Attack, Ultima, Flare etc, etc. When Cloud summons Stop...what’s Link going to do? Especially if Cloud already has Haste activated? Again, it gets pointless and stupid.

Now I know you are not going to believe me when I say this. The
TOC would make Link resistant to most of those spells I’m not sure about some of them. Now before you go on ranting about how the TOC doesn’t do anything for the Links lets look closely at it throughout the games shall we.

First start off with OOT. In OOT,
Ganondorf did specifically state that he underestamated the power of the TOC, so its obvious that the TOC did things for Link. Before the fight with Ganondorf, the TOC healed Link. The TOC also healed Link when he had to escape the castle. TOC also made Link resistant against the Waves of darkness while Navi was effected by it.In TP, Link didn’t turn into a lost soul thanks to the TOC, and I think Link was able to Overpower Ganondorf because of the TOC( The TOC gives spiritual power like: Will, determination, ect)

Also Both of these Links are masters with their magic, and items.




Also, Link shattering a barrier doesn’t mean Link can rip debris in half in the same lvl of Cloud. If by your statement was true, then why couldn’t Link have just cut through giant boulders that stood in his path? Why would Link need bombs and his Gloves to remove such obstacles in his way if his “sword” could cut through debris?

The whole Link shattering the barrier was just a comparison on how rediculous it is to say Cloud can cut through Debris with his strength.

It doesn’t make sense to me, and it shouldn’t to you either, so again, I disagree with your above statements.

I still stand by Cloud on this, and please, let’s use ONE version of Link, NOT the 23049823094238 Link’s rolled into one...otherwise it’ll become as repetitive as those Superman people who use 23094823904823 versions of Superman to prove their case.

Again I’m comparing those two Links to Cloud Individually.

Dousen’t Link move at the pace of a normal man, if so Cloud

“I may not always agree with your opinion but i would fight to the death for your right to keep it” - Voltair

Go watch ACC, all your questions shall be answered

If we count only in-game cutscenes/CG cinematics it’s a no brainer. It’s pretty much the inclusion of game mechanics that puts Link on par with Cloud (and pretty much everyone, life reviving fairies, lol).

link goes fierce diety on cloud

Victory is ensured

Eternal Darkness wrote: Dousen’t Link move at the pace of a normal man, if so Cloud

But so does Cloud. Infact the two Links I mentioned have faced people that fight at warp speed(Phantom ganon, Garo master) So speed feats are moot against Link.

Link wins

As I Lay dying wrote: Link wins

Cloud uses knights of whoop ass on link. Link gets ass whoopin'.

Then Link would stab/shoot/blind or protect himself before Knights of the round can be cast.

Link wins