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24 Aug 2007 13:58
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Check this out guys. This is the arguement I made against a guy:

Currently as of this article http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7252 the number of third party exclusives (Exclusive titles from companies that aren’t owned by Sony) that still support the Play Station 3 is 47

By comparison, from the same article the number of third party exclusive titles that support the Wii is 113.

This article right here pretty much sum’s up my arguement. http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=120588

The longer that the Wii continues to do well, the more likely it becomes that developers will focus on producing high level games for the Wii. The reason I mentioned the 3rd party exclusives for the PS3 and Wii is because third party exclusives are a list of games that companies are willing to only make for one particular system. That means these games represent companies which trust in the sucess of the particular video game systems.

You stated that the PS2 had many exclusives, the reason for that is because to date the PS2 was the best selling console of all time. But if you look at current sales and trends in the major markets (especially in Japan where they latch onto a console and will almost completely ignore all other consoles) the PS3 is close to tieing with the Sega Genisis for poor sales and lack of enthusiasm out of gamers.

Look, before you tell me that I hate the PS3 and am a biased fanboy, I really wish what I said wasn’t true. I am a computer science/computer engineering major at a local college and am going to be interning in Sony’s gaming division next year. I’d like nothing better than for the PS3 to be doing well. Your right it has tremendous hardware and gameplay, but I feel that the market is leaning towards the Wii simply because of it’s low price. Many people feel that $400-$500 US money is too much for a gaming system, and because a large demographic of video gamers are on strict college budgets (such as myself) or must rely on there parents for money, they are forced to go with the cheapest option for video gaming.

Video gaming companies, it has been historically proven, will side quickly with whichever company has sold the most consoles, they are very fickle with that, they can completely hate a company, but if it outsells the other companies the game manufacturers will quickly begin producing exclusively for it.

Lets give an impossible scenario here for a second. Say one company has produced a console that has sold 1 million units and another company has produced a console that has sold 10 million units. You are the head of a gaming company debating which console to produce your game for. On one hand the console that has produced 1 million units will allow you the ability to make a game with great graphics never before seen. But you will take a financial hit even if every person who owns the console buys the game. On the other hand if you produce for the console with 10 million units you will easily make money on the game, but due to the hardware it won’t look quite as good.

The above is a scenario that video game making companies are currently facing. You have to think of it from a video game company’s point of view, that is my arguement and I will wait for your rebuttle.


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the42gamer wrote:

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You do know that games can go years in development before they are ever shown to the public right?



Yes.

That really has no point. You can’t make two games at once. Considering how long its taking the FFXIII games to be released, don’t expect the next KH game to come anytime soon.



It may have been a rumor, i’ll admit that.

But you can develop 2 games at once, companies have done it before.

Bethesda is making Elder Scrolls 5 and Fallout 3 at the same time.


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Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.


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SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.


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The arguement BTW is why I needed that list of 3rd party exclusives.


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24 Aug 2007 14:05
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Just a little update... the most critically acclaimed game of this generation has switched from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess to Bioshock.


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SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Just a little update... the most critically acclaimed game of this generation has switched from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess to Bioshock.

Wonder how long that will last.


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NEREVAR117 wrote:

It may have been a rumor, i’ll admit that.

But you can develop 2 games at once, companies have done it before.

Bethesda is making Elder Scrolls 5 and Fallout 3 at the same time.



You can have multiple teams in a company.

The team in Square that works on Kingdom Hearts has postponed all KH development to work of Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Nomura said it himself.


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derdev789 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Just a little update... the most critically acclaimed game of this generation has switched from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess to Bioshock.

Wonder how long that will last.



I don’t know we have Metroid 3 and Halo 3 coming out, Mass Effect, Super Mario Galaxy, Crysis... it’s anyone’s game really.


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NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.


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SUPRAMAN84 wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Just a little update... the most critically acclaimed game of this generation has switched from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess to Bioshock.

Wonder how long that will last.



I don’t know we have Metroid 3 and Halo 3 coming out, Mass Effect, Super Mario Galaxy, Crysis... it’s anyone’s game really.

True that!


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derdev789 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Just a little update... the most critically acclaimed game of this generation has switched from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess to Bioshock.

Wonder how long that will last.



I don’t know we have Metroid 3 and Halo 3 coming out, Mass Effect, Super Mario Galaxy, Crysis... it’s anyone’s game really.

True that!



But...Bioshock is pretty damn crazy. Amazing game, and I’ve only played the Live demo...Many times... smiley

With the upcoming foray of games coming out that are gonna rule on Wii and 360, I’m happy I have both. smiley


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Great Article: 5 Precedents the 360 Set(Bad Ones)

1. Multiple SKUS

STUPID. There should have been one SKU IMO and that was a 40 gig HDMI 360 for $400. And then release a 120 gig HDD for a REASONABLE PRICE(IE not $180) for the hardcore audience.

2. Doesn’t really make that much sense to me as a precedent.

3. Overpriced Accessories

$180 for a 120 gig HDD? Nuff said.

4. Sub par hardware onto market to get out of the gate first

MS’s biggest mistake and now not only are they paying through their wallet but the public now knows of the terrible failure rate that plagues(is it fixed yet?) 360s and its hurting sales too.

5. $$ for digital downloads

Demos are free, which is great. XBLA Demos are free too. But why should I be paying for a theme and picture pack to a game I own?


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Edited 24 Aug 2007 14:23 by SUPRAMAN84
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the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.


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NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.



I should more accurately state Super Mario 64...Or any 3-D game for that matter.

I mean, if you wish to interpret 4-D as movement across the 3 spatial axes.


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the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.



I should more accurately state Super Mario 64...Or any 3-D game for that matter.

I mean, if you wish to interpret 4-D as movement across the 3 spatial axes.



When i say 4-D, i speak of time. Metal can rust, wood can soak up water and “puff” up, it takes physics to a new level.

Aging can change properties in real-time.

There are only 3 games that have this tech that i know of.

Alan Wake, Star Wars Force Unleashed, and Fallout 3.

Another example would be a seed grows into a plant.


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NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.



I should more accurately state Super Mario 64...Or any 3-D game for that matter.

I mean, if you wish to interpret 4-D as movement across the 3 spatial axes.



When i say 4-D, i speak of time. Metal can rust, wood can soak up water and “puff” up, it takes physics to a new level.

Aging can change properties in real-time.

There are only 3 games that have this tech that i know of.

Alan Wake, Star Wars Force Unleashed, and Fallout 3.

Another example would be a seed grows into a plant.


how is that 4d?


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Di5turbed wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.



I should more accurately state Super Mario 64...Or any 3-D game for that matter.

I mean, if you wish to interpret 4-D as movement across the 3 spatial axes.



When i say 4-D, i speak of time. Metal can rust, wood can soak up water and “puff” up, it takes physics to a new level.

Aging can change properties in real-time.

There are only 3 games that have this tech that i know of.

Alan Wake, Star Wars Force Unleashed, and Fallout 3.

Another example would be a seed grows into a plant.


how is that 4d?



For video games, it’s to simulate time, and it involves physics.

If done well enough, it can be VERY impressive.

It’s that crap Sony was talking about at last years E3, how the ps3 can render full on environments running in 4-D.


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NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.



I should more accurately state Super Mario 64...Or any 3-D game for that matter.

I mean, if you wish to interpret 4-D as movement across the 3 spatial axes.



When i say 4-D, i speak of time. Metal can rust, wood can soak up water and “puff” up, it takes physics to a new level.

Aging can change properties in real-time.

There are only 3 games that have this tech that i know of.

Alan Wake, Star Wars Force Unleashed, and Fallout 3.

Another example would be a seed grows into a plant.



A seed grew into a plant in Kingdom Hearts.

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the21gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

the42gamer wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote:

SUPRAMAN84 wrote: Fallout 3 won a lot of awards from what I saw.



Indeed it did.

It uses 4-D technology.



So did Pong.



How so?

And it’s not nearly as advanced as... well Fallout 3.



I should more accurately state Super Mario 64...Or any 3-D game for that matter.

I mean, if you wish to interpret 4-D as movement across the 3 spatial axes.



When i say 4-D, i speak of time. Metal can rust, wood can soak up water and “puff” up, it takes physics to a new level.

Aging can change properties in real-time.

There are only 3 games that have this tech that i know of.

Alan Wake, Star Wars Force Unleashed, and Fallout 3.

Another example would be a seed grows into a plant.



A seed grew into a plant in Kingdom Hearts.



Thats scripted, 4-D tech is different.


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