raep wrote:
Yeah, I’m not going to grow up and learn to appreciate the art or anything of country, it’s not going to happen with classical.
Not everyone has to have some appreciation for classical, stop being an ignoramus.
You think that now, you will see differently later. All adults above 25 I have met are like that. They may not like the music, but have intense appreciation for it. You are a little bit too used to music with more simple structure and with minimal creativity involved (such as a genre like pop), or at least a genre with inferior creativity (hip hop, rock, metal) which follow simple structures. When you listen to something such as classical music , you are unable to understand it and thus do not appreciate it or like it. This usually comes about with age and more development with the brain. I was able to be around classical music my entire life and learning music theory so I was adjusted to it more. Your brain will develop as well into the music. You may not like it, but you definately will appreciate it. Like I said, it comes along with age.
wow you’re the most pretentious faggot.
I “get” classical music just fine, stop acting like it’s on some higher plane of understanding just because it’s old and has more people involved in it.
It’s a quite common concept called “taste," maybe instead if having your brain develop so much to appreciate “classical” music so much (which is by far one of the most douchey things I’ve ever read), you might want to spend some time learning simple things like personal taste.
I don’t like “classical” music, I find it boring. There’s nothing more to it. I don’t know where the hell you’re getting brain development as a factor in this anyway, unless you’re just making shit up, which I’d wager is a good guess.
Hey, lets not start with name calling! It hurts my feelings!
No, but seriously, name calling on teh interwebz? GIT REEL
You obviously don’t if you think Beethoven’s 6th was a joke Kids do not like classical music as a rule this is a given unless they have been exposed to it for an extended amount of time. Rap, which I believe is your favorite genre of music, goes by a very simple structure, and you are used to that structure, which is why you like other popular forms of music, like metalcore I believe you started to like at one point, and not to mention, metal period. Also with these popular genres you have a beat or riff going through a loop being played over and over again, which you also are used to. Then there is classical music, which as a structure that is different with each piece, and is highly complicated. To you when you listen to it, it is boring because it does not make sense to you. If it did, however, you would see the beauty in it, or see how it should be appreciated (Tocatta and Fugue and Beethoven’s 6th are DEFINATELY pieces that need to at least be appreciated and realized as true art) Trust me, raep. Give it time. You will see what I mean probably in college or after college. That, or take a musical theory course. You will see the difference in your appreciation for it. You think you can understand it right now because you can hear the melodies, but it is much more than that. Listen more closely (which probably won’t work for you right now even, I still suggest giving it time) This is all a very well known idea help my musical historians. These are all reasons why classical music, and its musicians will always be remembered, and your rapper will most likely be forgotten in about 20 years or at the most, 100 years. People like Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, they have been remembered for an incredible amount of time, and are still the most studied musicians out there.
My elitism meter is going nuts.
and for good reason.
the idea that someone can’t possibly both understand something AND not enjoy it is both ignorant and incredibly stupid.
Well, since I am a fuck, mine as well add my 2 dicks.
Petrofsky/I’ll Be Bach : You truly, in all honesty, are coming off as a complete jackass. Liking Classical Music does not equal good taste. It just means those particular vibrations, of those particular instruments, arranged in that particular way, is pleasing to your ear. No need to be a elitist tool.
For the record, some classical I enjoy, like Stravinsky, Debussy, and Liszt. Some, Like most Baroque composers, just sounds like mechanical harmony and theory put together in a way that the general musical listening populace would say “He is quite the composer, let’s not execute him for being innovative."
On rap, I don’t really like electronically devised music. Before any exclamations of “But metal uses electric guitars/triggers/amps/vibrators LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL n00b”, I mean music where any instrument does not need to be played in order to generate the sounds you want. Call me close minded, if ya want, but it just doesn’t appeal to me.
On another subject, quit clogging the forum up with faggotry. You 2 have had this exact conversation before, and you know this is how it ends. Cut it out. Now.
On yet another subject, anyone headed to Summer Slaughter Tour? Just because Winds of Plague is there, doesnt mean it will suck. There Suffocation. And Necrophagist And Dying Fetus.
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
I don’t really like electronically devised music. Before any exclamations of “But metal uses electric guitars/triggers/amps/vibrators LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL n00b”, I mean music where any instrument does not need to be played in order to generate the sounds you want. Call me close minded, if ya want, but it just doesn’t appeal to me.
I have to disagree with this, or at least throw in my two cents.
Electronically produced music always involves some kind of input device, clearly a keyboard is most common, but there’s plenty of other more intuitive designs for interfaces - and they all take a degree of skill to use. Knowing what fits musically and how to keep things interesting require a great degree of skill too.
Ultimately, nowadays a modern DAW and mixing desk is in itself an instrument, and pretty much the most insanely complicated instrument you’ll ever use. Alot of pro engineers refer to their studios as their instrument, and I can definately see where they’re coming from. If you ask me what I play, I’ll say drums, guitar, keys, Cubase and Ableton Live.
If you want to get really fussy about it, you can discount all modern music because it’s “too electronic” - everything is processed and sampled to shit, augmented with samples, triggered sine waves, tweaked, tuned and tightened up. I definately understand the argument that it’s making good musicians unnecessary, it’s cheating, etc etc - but modern production adds such an incredible amount to music; a whole new depth and level of technicality that alot of people don’t appreciate. So much more is possible these days, and I’m grateful.
But that’s just my opinion - these days I’m obviously pretty biased because I’m a producer/engineer and I write electronic/ambient/dissonant music in my spare time. I’ve always adored Nine Inch Nails (and industrial in general), precisely because they embrace the technology, push it to it’s limits and in turn create original, powerful music. I’m also a big hip-hop fan these days, so sampling is right up my street. Finding an effective sample is an art! Kanye West (or perhaps his producer) is very good at it, for instance (although he makes up for it by being a total doucheboat).
I dunno, just my thoughts. If you want to discount electronic music because the notes aren’t technically being played, then you really have to discount anything post 1970.
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
I don’t really like electronically devised music. Before any exclamations of “But metal uses electric guitars/triggers/amps/vibrators LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL n00b”, I mean music where any instrument does not need to be played in order to generate the sounds you want. Call me close minded, if ya want, but it just doesn’t appeal to me.
I have to disagree with this, or at least throw in my two cents.
Electronically produced music always involves some kind of input device, clearly a keyboard is most common, but there’s plenty of other more intuitive designs for interfaces - and they all take a degree of skill to use. Knowing what fits musically and how to keep things interesting require a great degree of skill too.
Ultimately, nowadays a modern DAW and mixing desk is in itself an instrument, and pretty much the most insanely complicated instrument you’ll ever use. Alot of pro engineers refer to their studios as their instrument, and I can definately see where they’re coming from. If you ask me what I play, I’ll say drums, guitar, keys, Cubase and Ableton Live.
If you want to get really fussy about it, you can discount all modern music because it’s “too electronic” - everything is processed and sampled to shit, augmented with samples, triggered sine waves, tweaked, tuned and tightened up. I definately understand the argument that it’s making good musicians unnecessary, it’s cheating, etc etc - but modern production adds such an incredible amount to music; a whole new depth and level of technicality that alot of people don’t appreciate. So much more is possible these days, and I’m grateful.
But that’s just my opinion - these days I’m obviously pretty biased because I’m a producer/engineer and I write electronic/ambient/dissonant music in my spare time. I’ve always adored Nine Inch Nails (and industrial in general), precisely because they embrace the technology, push it to it’s limits and in turn create original, powerful music. I’m also a big hip-hop fan these days, so sampling is right up my street. Finding an effective sample is an art! Kanye West (or perhaps his producer) is very good at it, for instance (although he makes up for it by being a total doucheboat).
I dunno, just my thoughts. If you want to discount electronic music because the notes aren’t technically being played, then you really have to discount anything post 1970.
I’m fairly certain by having a good MIDI device, and knowing how to read music, it’s fairly simple to make an electronic music. But, then again, I am a complete shit head.
By the way, anyone looking for Industrial should check out Bleedsynth. It’s a buddy of mine’s industrial project, and apparently it’s getting pretty popular among certain circles. There’s a shitty music video on Youtube if you wanna look for it.
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
I don’t really like electronically devised music. Before any exclamations of “But metal uses electric guitars/triggers/amps/vibrators LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL n00b”, I mean music where any instrument does not need to be played in order to generate the sounds you want. Call me close minded, if ya want, but it just doesn’t appeal to me.
I have to disagree with this, or at least throw in my two cents.
Electronically produced music always involves some kind of input device, clearly a keyboard is most common, but there’s plenty of other more intuitive designs for interfaces - and they all take a degree of skill to use. Knowing what fits musically and how to keep things interesting require a great degree of skill too.
Ultimately, nowadays a modern DAW and mixing desk is in itself an instrument, and pretty much the most insanely complicated instrument you’ll ever use. Alot of pro engineers refer to their studios as their instrument, and I can definately see where they’re coming from. If you ask me what I play, I’ll say drums, guitar, keys, Cubase and Ableton Live.
If you want to get really fussy about it, you can discount all modern music because it’s “too electronic” - everything is processed and sampled to shit, augmented with samples, triggered sine waves, tweaked, tuned and tightened up. I definately understand the argument that it’s making good musicians unnecessary, it’s cheating, etc etc - but modern production adds such an incredible amount to music; a whole new depth and level of technicality that alot of people don’t appreciate. So much more is possible these days, and I’m grateful.
But that’s just my opinion - these days I’m obviously pretty biased because I’m a producer/engineer and I write electronic/ambient/dissonant music in my spare time. I’ve always adored Nine Inch Nails (and industrial in general), precisely because they embrace the technology, push it to it’s limits and in turn create original, powerful music. I’m also a big hip-hop fan these days, so sampling is right up my street. Finding an effective sample is an art! Kanye West (or perhaps his producer) is very good at it, for instance (although he makes up for it by being a total doucheboat).
I dunno, just my thoughts. If you want to discount electronic music because the notes aren’t technically being played, then you really have to discount anything post 1970.
I’m fairly certain by having a good MIDI device, and knowing how to read music, it’s fairly simple to make an electronic music. But, then again, I am a complete shit head.
By the way, anyone looking for Industrial should check out Bleedsynth. It’s a buddy of mine’s industrial project, and apparently it’s getting pretty popular among certain circles. There’s a shitty music video on Youtube if you wanna look for it.
I will definately check that out. I actually got to see NIN live in Atlanta a few months ago. Ever since then I’ve been pretty interested in Industrial in general.
Oh and I just read something about how Tom Araya sings country music songs during his spare time to help his voice or something. I thought that was funny because I’m sure half of his fans would start talking shit if they found that out. To be honest I actually can handle some country as long as theres some sort of good instrumentation. Well good enough to distract me from the atrocious lyrics at least.
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its the 100cc four stroke model, I had to take the mud guards off though because it gets in the way when I’m double picking and the suspension goes out of tune pretty fast...
Just come back from seeing NIN live at the O2 Arena, sold out crowd of 20,000 - NIN’s last ever headlining show in the UK on their last world tour. Setlist;
Now I’m Nothing/Terrible Lie
1,000,000
Heresy
March Of The Pigs
Reptile
The Becoming
I’m Afraid Of Americans
Burn
Gave Up
La Mer
The Fragile
Non Entity
The Big Comedown
The Downward Spiral
Wish
Survivalism
Down In It
Metal (w/ Gary Numan)
Cars (w/ Gary Numan)
The Hand That Feeds
Head Like A Hole
Hurt
Indeed. Jari does have a penchant for keeping Time out his fans ear, though.
On a somewhat related note, I recently went to Summer Slaughter. Ensiferum was there, along with a bunch of shit deathcore bands. I’m not too fond of there current growler, but still, guys were in facepaint, shirtless and wearing kilts.
To a show that wasn’t really Ensiferum’s.
It was bitchin'. Makes up for Winds of Plague being there.
Kids do not like classical music as a rule this is a given unless they have been exposed to it for an extended amount of time. Rap, which I believe is your favorite genre of music, goes by a very simple structure, and you are used to that structure, which is why you like other popular forms of music, like metalcore I believe you started to like at one point, and not to mention, metal period. Also with these popular genres you have a beat or riff going through a loop being played over and over again, which you also are used to. Then there is classical music, which as a structure that is different with each piece, and is highly complicated. To you when you listen to it, it is boring because it does not make sense to you. If it did, however, you would see the beauty in it, or see how it should be appreciated (Tocatta and Fugue and Beethoven’s 6th are DEFINATELY pieces that need to at least be appreciated and realized as true art) Trust me, raep. Give it time. You will see what I mean probably in college or after college. That, or take a musical theory course. You will see the difference in your appreciation for it. You think you can understand it right now because you can hear the melodies, but it is much more than that. Listen more closely (which probably won’t work for you right now even, I still suggest giving it time) This is all a very well known idea help my musical historians. These are all reasons why classical music, and its musicians will always be remembered, and your rapper will most likely be forgotten in about 20 years or at the most, 100 years. People like Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, they have been remembered for an incredible amount of time, and are still the most studied musicians out there.
