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Why Yu-Gi-Oh! is better than Magic: The Gathering

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This thread is FYI for the massive amounts M:TG wankers wasting their college funds into the card game ignorantly thinking that it’s it’s the best TGC (non-virgin translation: Trading Card Game) out there.

1. Building a decent/strategic Yu-Gi-Oh! deck doesn’t cost you hundreds of dollars.

If you don’t take promotional cards (that are reprinted in other editions any way) the most expensive card, a LOB Blue Eyes White Dragon 1st Edition costs 30 bucks (3 bucks if you don’t need the 1st Edition stamp).

A alpha Black Lotus on the other hand is going to cost you thousands of dollars (hundreds if you’re going for the cheapest reprint in shit condition).

That’s because the designers at Konami design the cards to be played and not to be locked in a safe for investment so that one day someone even stupider than you will buy it from you.

2. The game isn’t broken.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is a well designed game where everything is accounted for. Magic on the other hand is a crippled system. Loop holes that make damage infinitely high and other glitches are constantly removed from the games by banning cards (Enjoy your Black Lotus because you’re not allowed to play it) to keep the tournaments going.

3. Yu-Gi-Oh! focuses on the art, M:TG focuses on text?

Yu-Gi-Oh! cards have images that cover 50% of the surface of the card. MTG has images that covers 25% of the card.



Also, unless it’s a promotional card Yu-Gi-Oh! never reuses the same art for reprints. M:TG on the other hand...

The five re-prints of Blue-Eyes White Dragon (notice how none of them look the same)



The four reprints of Black Lotus (look how all of them are the fucking same)



4. Yu-Gi-Oh! cards are more expensive to make and only contain the premium grade materials. M:TG don’t.

If you’ve ever held a Yu-Gi-Oh! card you should have noticed a waxy feeling. That’s acid and stain repelling wax to preserve the cards quality. They’re also made out of a contracting (like a spring) material so that can be bent, from top to bottom 180 degrees without deforming.

M:TG contain the same materials now as when the first edition of the game was released (before they knew that it was going to be successful). The cards plain hard-pressed paper and is no more durable than the cover of soft-cover novels. The slightest deformation will damage the cards.

It’s more common to see M:TG players having their playing deck in selves to preserve the color of the cards.

Experiment. Take a M:TG card and put it in your right pocket and put a Yu-Gi-Oh! card in your left pocket. Go out and jog and see for yourself which card takes the most damage.

5. Yu-Gi-Oh!'s gameplay is quicker.

It’s not because M:TG is more strategic, or anything like that. It’s because in most cases it’s stupid to attack in M:TG since the opponent decides who of the creatures are going to defend. This can drag out the already tedious gameplay to 30 minutes and it’s often that your library run out of cards and you lose the game by default.

6. M:TG, playing a game or debating its rules?

If you ever played M:TG you should know that at some point you’ll encounter players will bring up rules that you didn’t even know of because it was introduced in the latest generation (see argument 2).

It’s not like you’re going to memorize all the unnecessarily complex rules for all the details anyway.

The rules of Yu-Gi-Oh! can be written on a sheet of paper the size of a present card and everything else comes together logically so you won’t have some asocial douche nitpicking glitch rules to win.

7. Boring decks, fucked up gameplay.

In M:TG you summon creatures by mana which you gain from tapping (non-virgin translation: Using) land-cards which your only allowed to put one in play per turn (you know unlike the logical approach of summoning the creature directly like in Yu-Gi-Oh!). This means that you have to fill your deck with land cards which you either have too little of or too much. It pretty much adds to the Poker-factor that you have to draw your land cards (luck) to win, if not you’re not able to do anything.

These land cards take up unnecessary space in your deck (since you need both land cards and a spell card to cast that spell) and drags out the gameplay (see argument 5).

8. There’s more money put in Yu-Gi-Oh! making it a safer investment for the future.

Multi-season cartoons, manga, movies. All these media will influence children to create nostalgic bonds with the game and maybe later in their life spend a lot of money into collector items.

Do you know why a first edition Charizard sells for hundreds of dollars today? It’s not because it’s rare (see Black Lotus) it’s because people want to renew and preserve their childhood memories. Rest assure this is likely to happen to Yu-Gi-Oh because of it’s large media spectrum.

9. Yu-Gi-Oh! is more popular.

For a reason.

Enjoy faggots.


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Yeah... I seriously used to play yugioh, years and years ago. I went to a shonen jumps running a monarch control deck and lost pretty badly because I was wanting to see if I could bring the monarchs back right after their reign ended. Should’ve used my Six Samurai deck, might have done considerably better since a mediocre (by the looks of it) samurai deck made it to the semi-finals. straight

Good times, made a lot of friends playing yugioh back in the day. Geeze, I think that was 2008? Seems like longer than 3 years... Then again I sold all my cards in 2007 and used my brother’s cards to make a deck. lol


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LOL, I had no idea of any of this since I’ve never played any cardgames, but damn Magic fails hard grin


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Dongtacular wrote: LOL, I had no idea of any of this since I’ve never played any cardgames, but damn Magic fails hard grin



I could never get into magic, way too boring and cost way too much to play and be decent.


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Cid wrote:

Dongtacular wrote: LOL, I had no idea of any of this since I’ve never played any cardgames, but damn Magic fails hard grin



I could never get into magic, way too boring and cost way too much to play and be decent.



My brother played it, and I had some friends that did.
Really not my thing though.

I collected Doom Trooper cards, which I never played with.
The collecting part was much more fun.


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Dongtacular wrote:

Cid wrote:

Dongtacular wrote: LOL, I had no idea of any of this since I’ve never played any cardgames, but damn Magic fails hard grin



I could never get into magic, way too boring and cost way too much to play and be decent.



My brother played it, and I had some friends that did.
Really not my thing though.

I collected Doom Trooper cards, which I never played with.
The collecting part was much more fun.



I tried sooooo many card games. We played yugioh in this little community that had to try EVERY TCG/CCG. So we started out in pokemon and went through all of them.

Digimon
Magic
Yugioh
Epic Battles (Mortal Kombat, Steet Fighter, and Tekken)
VS System (Marvel and DC)
Naruto
Bleach

We went through them all, and most of them absolutely sucked. VS was pretty good, but the matches could take over an hour if you had some really meticulous players. Naruto was fun, but really only one or two deck types were possible. Same with Bleach, minus the fun. Yugioh was my favorite, followed by Pokemon. The rest just plain sucked.


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Also, I forgot to mention that M:TG has realized that Yu-Gi-Oh! is a superior so they stole Yu-Gi-Oh! trap cards. That’s right, M:TG now has trap cards.

I could’ve forgiven them if they stole a creature’s name or something like Dark Magician. But the entire concept of trap cards? That’s like the CEO of Mercedes pulling out a blueprint of the new BMW and saying “See that front? That’s what we should have for our next model."


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Oh, and did I tell you about the concept of set rotation and how long the M:TG cheat disqualification list is?


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Ahahaha, oh man. This thread.

Thanks, OP.


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Remind me again why anyone would have Eager Cadet in their decks when he costs as much mana as Savannah Lions, but is weaker?

Oh what’s that, Eager Cadet is cheaper? Well this just proves that M:TG caters to the ones with bigger wallets instead of bigger brains.

Don’t get me wrong, there are weaker cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! too, like Baby Dragon. But at least there’s a combos based on those cards, like such:


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I’ll also share some yahoo answer comments (found here) which I think you should have a look at.

Answerer 1 wrote:
Yugioh all the way. Magic is ok and its cheaper but yugioh is updated more and well otk decks are dead since the last update. There’s still creativity quickdraw dandywarrior was a great deck that has no archetype and it won shonen jump. If you look at top tourney decks sure theres a gazzilion xsabers but theres a few really creative ones. Like a scrap deck with mine mole and trickeys and all kinds of crazy stuff.


Answerer 2 wrote:
i agree with alan


Answerer 3 wrote:
Especially for tournament play i honestly prefer yugioh. I also disagree on the skill comment. In both games there’s a small number of basic decks that tend to dominate tournament play.

Most of the 'high demand' yugioh cards have also been reprinted into commons or at the very least easier to get rarities (not all but most). The biggest thing to me is that yugioh actively tries to keep things balanced while magic seems to actually encourage decks that end games extremely quickly (2-3 turns in the older formats and 5-6 in standard depending on the sets at the time.)

Yugioh does make some cards designed to work together (so does magic though yugioh does more of it) and that they theme a lot of things is part of it’s charm. It’s no different from tribal sets in magic (elves, goblins, vampires etc.) and just like magic there are a lot of random cards that can become incredibly good in the right deck type.

In tournaments it’s really no contest to me. Magic is a constant frustration of 'X sets are no longer legal sorry' because 90%+ of tournaments are standard. Yugioh allows all sets with only a fairly short ban list stopping you, and all of them for good reasons.


Answerer 4 wrote:
OK here’s my opinion: Magic is stupid if you play it professionally. The sets are CONSTANTLY being updated -- so much that its impossible to keep up with a “standard” deck that your content with. I’ve played Magic for a while now and I thoroughly enjoy it -- but I only play with friends and occasional draft tournaments (booster pack based). I like magic in the sense that it takes strategy in both deck building and game play itself as you said. I love how the deck possibility are endless and the outcome of the game is mostly based on what YOU do, and not strictly what cards you get. I’ve been in situations many times, in that if I played cards earlier or later or played a different card, I would have won -- which makes magic a fun game. I love how magic is a very balanced card game as well. Given there are some “cheap” cards -- but in the long run -- its a fair game, no matter what color you choose, nor creature type.
For starters, I’d like to say I haven’t played Yugioh for very long. When I did play Yugioh, I found it was, like you said fast paced, but I also found the game was unbalanced. It depends on the hand you draw. If its better than your opponents (i.e. you spend more money) you win. I’m not hating on Yugioh -- its still a fun card game. I just don’t enjoy playing as much as I do Magic for the soul reason of how unbalanced it is.
One more thing I’d like to add. For those people saying Magic is “complicated” obviously aren’t very bright. The fact that magic has so many different cards, abilities, and rules is to keep it balanced -- quit your whining -- it makes the game fun! Yugioh is a much easier game to pick up and play, but Magic is a truly talent-worthy game.


Answerer 5 wrote:
i think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. first off, yugioh is fast paced but its also competitive and i like to use decks that nobody runs but still beats other people. magic is also fun but i hate when a game takes a long time, but i dont think that both games should be competing with eachother because theyre totally different from oneanother

yugioh also takes skill bcuz a lot of people have the same types of decks so it all comes down to how good ur build is and how you play your cards


Instead of going all out with the “yahoo answers is stupid they can’t get anything right” try refuting their arguments, good luck.


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Magic has good card art.

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yugioh is better.


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Yugioh FUCK YEAH!


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Write wrote: Magic has good card art.


That’s a matter of taste. Yu-Gi-Oh! is made in Japan and is adapted to the most popular art-style there. Personally I prefer Yu-Gi-Oh! cards because they all have memorable designs.

Take Effect Veiler (a level 1 creature) for instance, you’ll be able to recognize that design the second time you look at it.


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Question, does anyone have a problem with me making a Yu-Gi-Oh! manga respect thread?


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no but for what? vs debates? Then make one for the anime too.


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Poliwhirl wrote: Question, does anyone have a problem with me making a Yu-Gi-Oh! manga respect thread?



I don’t think anyone would care.


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Go for it


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I can’t even tell how powerful a Magic card is,and I don’t see shit that says what it can do either.

I even still have Slifer(I spelled that right?) the Sky Dragon in my deck.


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