I Have Solved the Grandfather Paradox

I submit this for your consideration:

With the following I show that I have solved the Grandfather Paradox. In Short the Grandfather Paradox states that you cannot go back in time and kill your grandfather to stop yourself from being born, because you would cease to exist, and not be able to go back in time to kill your grandfather, which means he would live and you would be born.

But through using the Chaos Theory, Murphy’s Law, and the Ripple Effect I will solve this paradox.

Now for simple explanations the Chaos Theory is simply a theory used by science to explain chaotic outcomes or outcomes they can’t explain through conventional theories. Murphy’s Law simply put is what can go wrong will go wrong at the most inopportune time. And the Ripple effect is simply a spreading series of effects or consequences caused by a single event.

Now that that has all been explained lets get to the Grandfathers Paradox. Using Murphy’s Law, if time travel were possible, means that any disastrous outcome that could happen will happen so this gives the basis for it being possible to kill oneself by killing your grandfather. Using the Chaos Theory behind this; sets up the downfall of the paradox. A part of the Chaos Theory is the Butterfly Effect (not the movie) a coined phrased in 1972 by Edward Lorenz simply saying that the flaps of butterflies’ wings can cause small changes in the atmosphere and cause a tornado to appear or cause one not to appear. Simply put that small changes can cause large consequences. This sets up the Ripple Effect to hammer the final nail in the Grandfather Paradox’s coffin. Science believes time to be a stream. What happens if you throw a rock into the stream? It causes ripple to spread out in all directions from the epicenter. How dose this apply to the Grandfather Paradox? Simple: Killing your Grandfather is the stone, and you throw this stone by going back in time and killing your grandfather. According to the Grandfather Paradox this is where you vanish because you’re not born therefore making it to where you didn’t kill your grandfather and you end up being born and then the process will start over and cause a paradox loop of you killing your grandfather. But through Murphy’s Law bring in the Chaos Theory jumps starts the Ripple effect. Now since you’re from a different time killing your grandfather will not immediately affect you, it will take time for the time ripples to get to your time allowing the killing of your grandfather to become part of history. When the ripple hits the time you are from you then would vanish. Now on a side note the Ripple Effect wouldn’t just affect you it will affect anyone or any place your grandfather or any of his children would have interacted with.

great, now only if we can travel back in time.

It’s been solved already. The current train of thought is that of parallel universes.

Edit: Plus, is the “Ripple Effect” a recognised idea of theoretical physics, or something you just think might happen?

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DrumIntoTheNight wrote: It’s been solved already. The current train of thought is that of parallel universes.

Edit: Plus, is the “Ripple Effect” a recognised idea of theoretical physics, or something you just think might happen?

the Ripple Effect is simply a spreading series of effects or consequences caused by a single event. This is the scientific definition of the Ripple Effect

SO i can go back in time and prevent kenny from being born?

no but you can prevent him from being alive right now without time travel.

Apparently Einstein and his special relativity would sort of allow you to travel forward in time, like on Planet of the Apes.

whoa...easy on the posting...

ACTUALLY! When in the course of traveling back in time you cause an event that doesnt occur in the history of your time. You are actually traveling through the fifth dimension and into an alternate fourth dimension. This dimension being the one where your grandpa is killed and you are never born.

Well, you’re confusing the ripple effect. What the ripple effect is stating is that an event farther away in space, but at the same time, does not cause an effect at the same time as a closer event. It’s the same if it’s the same place, but different times. However, it does not apply when going backwards through time, as it assumes time travels forwards to work.

It is very, very simpel:

Was your grandfather killed by you? No. - then it can’t happen, because if it had happend wee would see the effects now, and do we? - No. So = not possible.....

Is anyone getting the simplicity of the nature, here?

All right now, I am going to pretend that Rockman Kenny is my grandfather, and now the is the past, and I want to die... *loads reveolver*

I figured this out a long time ago.

Although the real question is whether or not it’s the answer of a subjective reasoning.

this is like soo pointless

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Moderator record hun, ..yada yada yada ..I was talking about, dearest.

Cid - don’t call me “hun” or “dearest” thanks.

Listen you say that you have this all figured out... you say how can you go back and kill your grandfather... you think you can’t cause when you kill him you don’t exist... so if you kill your grandfather how does exist still?... i know you don’t exist but you can’t just come back he would stay dead... then you won’t be who you were when you came to the past... you would change and you wouldn’t know wht happened your changing your life your not stopping yourself from being born

Blackkyychan wrote: Listen you say that you have this all figured out... you say how can you go back and kill your grandfather... you think you can’t cause when you kill him you don’t exist... so if you kill your grandfather how does exist still?... i know you don’t exist but you can’t just come back he would stay dead... then you won’t be who you were when you came to the past... you would change and you wouldn’t know wht happened your changing your life your not stopping yourself from being born

you’re name is funny...

Etain wrote:

Cid Highwind wrote:
Moderator record hun, ..yada yada yada ..I was talking about, dearest.

Cid - don’t call me “hun” or “dearest” thanks.

QUaCK?

i jus read this 8 minutes ago, i think my brains gonna burst.

captainqu33f wrote: i jus read this 8 minutes ago, i think my brains gonna burst.

It’s actually pretty simple. Think of a ripple in water.

You drop a rock in a lake, at the point where the rock hit, the energy is traveling through the water at a rapid pace. But at the edge of the ripple, it’s traveling much, much slower.

Since time is general looked at as a stream that flows in a single direction, you could theoretically give the same properties of water to time.

So when you travel back and kill your grandfather, the effects would not be immediate in your original time. It’d effect the first few years quickly, but as it moved through the time line it would slow down.

So you when you got back to your time, the effects of your grandfather being killed would not have hit that time line yet.

Meaning, that theoretically, the paradox is solved because by the time you disappear, it will have been some time after you kill your grandfather.

Now, the biggest problem with this theory is the fact that you’re only considering a single rupture of events in the space/time continuum. Which isn’t true. Sure, the ripple effect states that the death wouldn’t affect your later time line immediately.. However, the first even will cause a chain that will step up through the time line, each even will reveal your grandfather as dead meaning the next time line will be effected immediately.

So technically, this theory won’t work.

*shrugs*

It was good though. Can’t deny that CT.

Rise of Shinra

Interesting, i got a theory that does infact allow you to kill your grandfather without there being a paradox. Time is independent to everything else, but not when you travel back in time. When you travel back in time you become independent to time and so are not affected by any alteration of events during the time period you traversed through. So, if you did kill your grandfather, you would never be born, but the you that killed him cannot be directly affected by the change in events. In other words you re-write history, but you would not be included in this re-write. If you were to travel back forward to 'present day' know one would know who you were, because in their history you don’t exist.