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Player4 wrote:

http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8007/2012-03-08.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/9131469...


All I’m saying is that there seems to be alot of confusion. If it was as cut and dry as that publicity stunt of of video made it seem there wouldn’t be so many things against it.

You guys are attacking me because I’m providing the other side of the story and not jumping on the “Dude OMFG KONY 2012 Facebook and Twitter TEam 4EVA”

I hope you enjoy your T-Shirts that will save the world


And everything said against it is completely smashed by IC’s response, which I’ve already linked.

Not like any of the shit being said against them means a damn thing. They could be spending the money on doing blow off of hookers tits for all I care, because their campaign is working and people are calling for this dude’s head.

Do. Better. Research.

Especially since you haven’t even watched the damn video or used their site which offers in depth information on the issues at hand.

Enjoy 'enlightening' the world with your cynical hipster view.


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cynical hipster view?....O___o Sheesh....


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Sheko the Conqueror wrote:

Player4 wrote:

http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8007/2012-03-08.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/9131469...


All I’m saying is that there seems to be alot of confusion. If it was as cut and dry as that publicity stunt of of video made it seem there wouldn’t be so many things against it.

You guys are attacking me because I’m providing the other side of the story and not jumping on the “Dude OMFG KONY 2012 Facebook and Twitter TEam 4EVA”

I hope you enjoy your T-Shirts that will save the world


And everything said against it is completely smashed by IC’s response, which I’ve already linked.

Not like any of the shit being said against them means a damn thing. They could be spending the money on doing blow off of hookers tits for all I care, because their campaign is working and people are calling for this dude’s head.

Do. Better. Research.

Especially since you haven’t even watched the damn video or used their site which offers in depth information on the issues at hand.

Enjoy 'enlightening' the world with your cynical hipster view.



I’m a cynical hipster because I’m not easily moved by propaganda on a whim?

I forgot how gullible fools can be.

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I skimmed through the first article, since the second wasn’t working.

I saw the video, I saw a guy saying, “let’s start a precedence, let’s get this guy. Let’s keep reminding our leaders to set that precedence." That’s what stuck out with me the most, was that he wasn’t saying this would be the only thing.

I don’t think he ever purported to be some political genius or some supporter of Museveni or some military whiz (he’s a film maker, is he not? ). He and IC are trying to just get a ball rolling and start somewhere. It’s the first step of a solution--trying to end the political apathy on affronts like Kony--not the entire solution.

But of course, I’ve only watched the video and read the article. I haven’t read into everything and I don’t have a eidetic memory, so my thoughts on the matter are likely moot. It’s just how I see things.


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Mau5 wrote:



Where are you getting these?

lol

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Ty Dreacon wrote: I skimmed through the first article, since the second wasn’t working.

I saw the video, I saw a guy saying, “let’s start a precedence, let’s get this guy. Let’s keep reminding our leaders to set that precedence." That’s what stuck out with me the most, was that he wasn’t saying this would be the only thing.

I don’t think he ever purported to be some political genius or some supporter of Museveni or some military whiz (he’s a film maker, is he not? ). He and IC are trying to just get a ball rolling and start somewhere. It’s the first step of a solution--trying to end the political apathy on affronts like Kony--not the entire solution.

But of course, I’ve only watched the video and read the article. I haven’t read into everything and I don’t have a eidetic memory, so my thoughts on the matter are likely moot. It’s just how I see things.


Thank god someone else can see the raw purpose behind all of this.

Your post is a breath of phresh air. cool


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Wolfenstein wrote:

Mau5 wrote:



Where are you getting these?

lol

Facebook tounge.


So...any news on Kony?


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Mau5 wrote:

Wolfenstein wrote:

Mau5 wrote:



Where are you getting these?

lol

Facebook tounge.


So...any news on Kony?


Here ya go, buddy: http://www.lracrisistracker.com/

And lol again at bandwagon hate faggots. The tracker, that they spent money on developing, obviously shows the LRA to the West of Uganda. Dumbasses.


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Whenever something good humanity is trying to achieve;there’s always pessimistic haters to bring people down.Morons...

They go as far as making shit up which is just sad TBH. It’s good to see that peeps at IC are debunking everything thrown at them...props to them!


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Mau5 wrote: Whenever something good humanity is trying to achieve;there’s always pessimistic haters to bring people down.Morons...

They go as far as making shit up which is just sad TBH. It’s good to see that peeps at IC are debunking everything thrown at them...props to them!


Indeed: http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/blogs/trending-now/interviewing-invisible-children-ceo-kony-2012-film-goes-224212065.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=us&.lang=en-us


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Just a vid of Player4 chilling with his friends. cool


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Sheko the Conqueror wrote:

Ty Dreacon wrote: I skimmed through the first article, since the second wasn’t working.

I saw the video, I saw a guy saying, “let’s start a precedence, let’s get this guy. Let’s keep reminding our leaders to set that precedence." That’s what stuck out with me the most, was that he wasn’t saying this would be the only thing.

I don’t think he ever purported to be some political genius or some supporter of Museveni or some military whiz (he’s a film maker, is he not? ). He and IC are trying to just get a ball rolling and start somewhere. It’s the first step of a solution--trying to end the political apathy on affronts like Kony--not the entire solution.

But of course, I’ve only watched the video and read the article. I haven’t read into everything and I don’t have a eidetic memory, so my thoughts on the matter are likely moot. It’s just how I see things.


Thank god someone else can see the raw purpose behind all of this.

Your post is a breath of phresh air. cool



Now that I’ve actually had some semblance of sleep and can...you know, think more fully I’d like to add something to what I said before:

I think the video is sort of something to be taken in a few parts, because some people are looking at it and (for a good reason) dismissing pretty much the entire movement when it’s really only half of what the video suggests the things people disagree with which is, primarily, siding with the Ugandan military to bring down Kony. Yes that is one thing that the video does hint toward, and it’s reasonable, considering all the stuff Museveni has done in that country and the overall complexity of affairs in Africa, to be a bit sceptical about supporting the Kony movement because of it.

At the same time, that’s also what the government is for. People at IC aren’t military or political geniuses or whatnot else, in spite of the fact that they suggest what the government should do (working with the Ugandan military under Museveni’s rule). In the end, it’s going to be the government that decides what to do and exactly how to do it. So yeah, the video does have a few bits of it that are kind of...eeeeeeehhh. I mean, like the one article suggests, how much of a say are the Africans themselves getting in this? What technological capabilities does the U.S. have to eliminate Kony without on-the-ground intervention (or the least amount thereof)? I don’t know, so that’s the government’s job, and it’s kind of daft for the Kony2012 movement to suggest they should do this or that. What they should suggest is a get-in-and-get-rid-of-him-and-get-out style, least amount of time spent there as possible.

So of course, the video suggesting the U.S. and other countries should jump in and arm the Ugandan military to catch Kony is not exactly the best thing since that’s the government’s job and Museveni doesn’t have the greatest track record either. That’s just one part of it though.

The other part of it, specifically with the posters and 'propaganda' style of the movement, is to promote the idea among the public to bring these international criminals to justice. And it’s a movement not just in a single country but one that is intended to go worldwide, and bring awareness to people around the globe about these issues so we can all get behind them and all desire to have them solved. Arguing back and forth about what to do primarily stops the kind of progress that I think pretty much everyone would want: the kind of progress that is actually doing something. And that’s partly what the Kony movement is trying to do: get something started by targeting one not-as-well-known guy whose elimination (provided it’s done intelligently and efficiently) won’t have significant political impacts or disturbances in the African region. It’s one thing to take out a guy like Kony who has no real political power in any of Africa; Museveni has power in Uganda and taking him out of it can leave a power gap for someone worse than him or turn the state into a civil war battleground. The politics there are complex as all hell, and Kony isn’t really a part of the politics, so taking him out is (comparatively) less damaging. (Again, provided it’s done smartly.)

So yeah, there are some parts I don’t exactly agree upon--more of the specifics that IC suggests because it’s under the category of “hell if I know if that’s the best idea”--but I still think the other purpose of the video, which is to raise awareness about situations like this and to start solving them, is something that shouldn’t exactly be dismissed just because the people in the video go a little too far in suggesting what the governments of the world should do.


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Nice post Ty, and I could answer those concerns of yours, but IC already has on their Critique page. They made the video simplistic on purpose, but like I said, they’ve already addressed all of that. The CEO also discusses that fact on the interview I posted.


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I’m glad to see Player4 has desisted of inane ramblings and instead shifted to the claasic 'lol u so stupid' argument.

cool

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Sheko the Conqueror wrote: Nice post Ty, and I could answer those concerns of yours, but IC already has on their Critique page. They made the video simplistic on purpose, but like I said, they’ve already addressed all of that. The CEO also discusses that fact on the interview I posted.



I still hold the same reservations about IC’s suggestions on what to actually do over there. I read the part where IC “supports the deployment of U.S. advisers and the provision of intelligence and other support that can help locate and bring Kony to justice, but also increased diplomacy to hold regional governments accountable to their basic responsibilities to protect civilians from this kind of brutal violence," but question whether getting into the diplomatics at the same time as arresting Kony is the best idea. That’s the kind of U.S. intervention that makes the entire operation questionable and from where I think a lot of the disagreement is arising.

I think the goal should be to get Kony, get out, and put him on trial for his human rights violations, and handle other diplomatics in the area afterwards, with Kony being a precedence for further negotiations and trials in human rights violations of the country leaders. Trying to do both at once can lead to the arrest of Kony, while the country leaders in the area reject the 'advice' of the Americans because “why should they change what they’ve been doing for this long just because Kony is out of the picture?" But at the same time, I’m not a government official with experience on the issue and, really, neither is IC, which is why it should be the government taking care of the precise strategy of what to do over there.

I feel IC should be saying “do something”, not “do this”.

Like I said, I think that’s where most of the disagreement is coming from, is on what to do. And that’s really where it should just stop and be left to the government. We’re making them do something and that’s all we should be doing, because we’re not geniuses with the same amount of information and resources the government possesses. We all want the problems in the African region solved, but we also don’t want to make more problems.


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I think where the disagreement lies is the IDEA itself.People just can’t believe that there are people who actually care about other human lives... :S.


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IC’s diplomatic ties are 95% locals on site. They work with the people there to create possible solutions because they understand the situation best. IC mainly stands as an advocate and media outlet.


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That’s true Ty, but at the same time, I doubt the governemnt would ever have signed anything on this If they didn’t think they could acheive a desired result. If not, I reckon they could simply have explained to IC how their plan was flawed, but to me It much just seems like It was below their importance radar at the time.

Unless I’m missing something here.

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