Will be available to watch for free online on October 3. It’s supposed to be the solution to the problems mention in Zeitgeist: The Movie. I personally don’t think things will get any better, but I’m interested in what they have to say.
For those who don’t the Venus Project is based off Aristotelean ethics. whether they say it or not it derived from him. Aristotle discussed that instead of controlling people through laws and consequence why not have people be inherently good. Ethical people make ethical decisions. To become an ethical person you must find the “good”. And upon achieveing the good you will obtain happiness. Thus humans can only be happy if they do good for their common man.
Aristotle thought the only way to achieve the good was within the city-state or polis, which basically country in our terms. That by doing good things for the city and the well being of the city and the people that live in it for no reward or whatnot that you’ll obtain happiness. And of course if everyone is ethical then no one gets the short end of the stick.
This is what Aristotle meant by ehtics. If people are inherently good then they will make ethical decisions. This is what the Venus project is based on. In a world that has no money or reward the only way for it to survive is through common good... something that Aristotle preached so long ago. Smart man.
I like the idea of the Venus Project its just man may have been manipulated too much for it to ever be enacted. To get people to change to this may be impossible. Need to start with the education system of course and of course we need people to be on board. Train people to be ethical(Aristotle thought the first thing anyone should be taught was ethics). Education of ethics and how to be good towards common man through lecture and example and then how to sustain technological advancements in that kind of society.
More than likely it would be a better society but it’ll take work and unfortunately work within the governments. I’d say a pretty big step into doing this would have been vetoing the bailout plan in America. That kind of fail through unfortunately but the good thing is its DESTINED TO FAIL. We know this haha.
But I really enjoyed watching this and it makes a lot of sense. The monetary system isn’t the best one of course because of the idea of supply and demand. It’s simple really why profits are tied in with that so greatly which ultimately give the consumers the short end of the stick. So hopefully we can move towards something like this Venus Project but I think we need to start small in simply getting power back to the “good” as Aristotle would put it instead of the corrupt.
Guess no one wants to discuss the Venus project with me. I still think that was the most interesting part. That an the idea of a society without money. Seems better haha.
Zucas wrote:
Guess no one wants to discuss the Venus project with me. I still think that was the most interesting part. That an the idea of a society without money. Seems better haha.
Oh I plan on it, I’m just waiting until Etain comes over again with her Laptop so I can watch the Addendum {Because I have a computer without working sound} I’ve already bookmarked, and been reading http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I just want to watch, and absorb, before commenting and discussing.
I hate talking about things without knowing as much as I can about it. But Etain has already seen the Addendum so I will coerce her to post in here
I’ve started watching it and found it extremely interesting. Even more so than the original Zeitgeist. I haven’t gotten yet to the Venus project part, but I have seen the Venus project web site.
I can generally comment on the idea of a “society without money” though. I think it would be good. I find today that the amount of pay people receive isn’t always equitable to the amount of work they actually do.
If we lived in a trade-based society where people trade their skills and goods for other people’s, I think we would see a more equitable society.
Now I realize that’s not commenting on the Venus project specifically, but more on the general idea of a society without money.
I’d like to discuss the film itself more once I’ve completed it .
Etain wrote:
I’ve started watching it and found it extremely interesting. Even more so than the original Zeitgeist. I haven’t gotten yet to the Venus project part, but I have seen the Venus project web site.
I can generally comment on the idea of a “society without money” though. I think it would be good. I find today that the amount of pay people receive isn’t always equitable to the amount of work they actually do.
If we lived in a trade-based society where people trade their skills and goods for other people’s, I think we would see a more equitable society.
Now I realize that’s not commenting on the Venus project specifically, but more on the general idea of a society without money.
I’d like to discuss the film itself more once I’ve completed it .
cool and yea the film is very good. However I think I liked the first better because it knocked down on the religions more haha.
But yea a world without money is very interesting. As I said the good deeds thing is something Aristotle mentioned so long ago in his books on ethics. Stating that to achieve the good or happiness you should do ethical things in the city for others at no reward. This is what the Venus Project is based off of and I think it could work.
I mean money isn’t necessary its just we’ve only lived in a world wiht money that we see it as a necessity. But if people did virtuous things for others and everything was free then human behavior would be so different. Then you have a bunch of good people doing good things in advancing a society. A realistic utopia. If humans can be taught to be greedy, self centered, and corrupt then they can be taught to be virtuous, ethical, and communal.
I looked a lot into the venus project once I finished watching the movie. Most of it seems pretty well planned out, but what I’m really worried about is if people will actually be open minded enough to switch to another system. Your going to have patriotism, religious nuts, conservatives, every big corporation, and the government in the way. I know our chance is when society finally breaks down, but even then your going to have these people try to rebuild not knowing that the exact same thing is going to happen again.
I just wish when our economy crashes completely we have a chance at this before our government unites Canada and Mexico with us as a temporary solution.
ramunematt wrote:
I looked a lot into the venus project once I finished watching the movie. Most of it seems pretty well planned out, but what I’m really worried about is if people will actually be open minded enough to switch to another system. Your going to have patriotism, religious nuts, conservatives, every big corporation, and the government in the way. I know our chance is when society finally breaks down, but even then your going to have these people try to rebuild not knowing that the exact same thing is going to happen again.
I just wish when our economy crashes completely we have a chance at this before our government unites Canada and Mexico with us as a temporary solution.
Well it’s the idea of human nature vs human behavior. All of those things I believe are acquired traits over time. Over a few generations with proper teaching you can adjust anyone to a new setup... especially one by merit. I don’t believe humans are naturally anything aside from survival instincts. But you take away the need to survive with a surplus and all you have is human behavior.
you guys are awesome!! i love your posts. very deep! that’s how it should be though. there is a major shift going on. read this article: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/11/20081114212953385599.html funny how its not on mainstream media as always!
I’m not really interested in Zeitgeist since I disagree that religion is a devastation to humanity. However, this Venus Project is an interesting one.
So, I’m reading up on it.
Just from the About section on the website, I see some pretty cool things. Their idea isn’t necessarily a collective mindset (which was how it seemed to be coming off), but rather a progressive one, one that is not inhibited by a fake resource like money. They also intelligently accept that currency was used in the past as a control method for limited resources, and imply that it was fine, but I can see how it has become a social control method today and rather impractical. We also don’t have much in the way of monetary standards in the US today anyway, as we have removed ourselves of the gold standard and it really is based upon what society says (even more accurately, the rich).
The anti-plutocracy ideals presented in the Venus Project are the ones I like best.
They aren’t really against being individual, but probably selfishness.
The statement that no one is born with greed or whatnot is a bit of bullshit, though, in my opinion. It originated somewhere in human thought before it was passed down, so it can be brought out in humans by itself, unless you control them. Whenever something puts you above others, money or even fulfillment of a goal, you are likely to have someone desire it above something else. I guess even greed itself is debatable.
Otherwise, I’m sort of liking the idea of a non-monetary society. Hell, it seems pretty awesome.
Actually, I kinda supported it prior to even reading it, without realizing that I did...
Of course, these are merely ideas I’ve come up with with limited research. I’ll further develop it all as time goes on.
However...Does anyone else find it ironic that you have to buy their stuff on the website, or is it just me?
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