A Challenge to the Atheists

Sounds good.

Maggot Face wrote:

spencer the king wrote:

Haylias wrote:

Kagrenac wrote: So you attack Christianity because people believe in it?

See what I did thar?

Fail.

I attack Christianity because if you are arguing about the Vietnam war you don’t go and talk about the War of the Roses now do you?

^bad analogy but it proves a point.

lol sory my friend he did just prove his point lol

How? I’m sorry, but I don’t see what kind of point was made by that.

It didn’t

Maggot Face wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: Go for a month arguing your arguments without referencing Christianity. There’s plenty of other religions to choose from. Try some of those.

Not saying you can’t, but it makes you come off as just having a vendetta against JUST Christianity. If your arguments are valid, you should have zero difficulty arguing them without referencing Christianity.

Look at the Islam thread.

Not what I’m saying. I’m saying go without using Christianity to make a point for a month.

If the person Christian, I usually use Christian examples, why would I change this habit?

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Pretty much what Haylias said. If we gave an argument about an entirely different religion than the ones we arguing with then how is this a debate. It’s more of a massacre.

But, if this be the case, then I challenge all believers to argue something other than anti-evolution or anti-atheists. There are plenty of other godless or non Islamic/Judeo-Christian beliefs out there as well.

See what I did there. I mean I can argue from any side, from any point of view, at any time of the day. I’m just that well-versed in the subject and is why I’m so successful at arguing it and providing a good point of view. So if you want to challenge me I can argue against Islam, Buddhism, or any organized religion you deem I need to do. But I don’t have to for two reasons. None of you will no about anything I’m saying because you have no idea about any of them. And you wouldn’t be able to argue back for the exact same reasons.

Make it easier for yourselves ladies and gents. Stick with what think you know so I don’t have to tell you everything you don’t.

Gplex wrote:

Maggot Face wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: Go for a month arguing your arguments without referencing Christianity. There’s plenty of other religions to choose from. Try some of those.

Not saying you can’t, but it makes you come off as just having a vendetta against JUST Christianity. If your arguments are valid, you should have zero difficulty arguing them without referencing Christianity.

Look at the Islam thread.

Not what I’m saying. I’m saying go without using Christianity to make a point for a month.

If the person Christian, I usually use Christian examples, why would I change this habit?

You have a habit of making assumptions that the person is Christian. You also seem to make a point of putting down Christianity as much as you can. Maybe I’m wrong. That’s just the impression I receive.

What examples do you need to make for them? You should be providing examples for your argument. You should be able to present the same argument regardless of the other person’s beliefs. That doesn’t change what you think, does it?

Wow, a kind of religious discussion without the usual flaming. I knew someone could do it. It just took the right people.

Here is a universal argument... It’s selling an invisible product. In my little podunk town, 98% of the religious population is christian. Therefore I don’t speak to them concerning matters of Allah, Zeus, Shiva, or any of the multitude of gods invented over the centuries. Could I? Most likely, after I had studied their respective religion. Thing is, when 98% of the people keep drilling you to repent on a daily basis, thats what you study to contradict what they say. If I lived in a town where 98% were Islamic then I would use the Koran....

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Maggot Face wrote:

You have a habit of making assumptions that the person is Christian. You also seem to make a point of putting down Christianity as much as you can. Maybe I’m wrong. That’s just the impression I receive.

What examples do you need to make for them? You should be providing examples for your argument. You should be able to present the same argument regardless of the other person’s beliefs. That doesn’t change what you think, does it?

I’ll answer this one if you don’t mind gplex.

Atheists do have multiple arguments against the god hypothesis, many based on the characteristics of free will, evolution, cosmology, philosophy and mathematics, but in general, the average christian missionary has little or no basis to discuss these themes in an educated way. They have been trained in there own church’s doctrinal view in these matters, which tend to be based on wilful ignorance, incompetence or outright fraudulent claims.

BUT with the bible, the discussions cannot be obfuscated by a belief, because every christian must hold that at least parts of the bible are true. Showing parts of the bible (or especially the koran*) to believers is contrary to there beliefs is far more effective in opening a gap, for people to discuss the other areas which define individual atheist thought.

*it is surprising how many muslims have not read the koran in western cultures, mainly due to clerics insistence the verses must be learnt in the Aramaic root language by rote, without understanding the words themselves. Give them a koran in a language they can read, and its quiet funny seeing their faces.

Maggot Face wrote: You have a habit of making assumptions that the person is Christian. You also seem to make a point of putting down Christianity as much as you can. Maybe I’m wrong. That’s just the impression I receive.

What examples do you need to make for them? You should be providing examples for your argument. You should be able to present the same argument regardless of the other person’s beliefs. That doesn’t change what you think, does it?

As a former Christian, I know much more about that religion than any other. I think you are confusing the words “argument”, and “example”.
The accusations you are making against me are too general, and can’t be investigated properly, because you seem unwilling to quote me. If you have a problem with one of my examples, or arguments, feel free to create a new topic, and quote it back.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

silverspirit2001 wrote: I’ll answer this one if you don’t mind gplex.

Atheists do have multiple arguments against the god hypothesis, many based on the characteristics of free will, evolution, cosmology, philosophy and mathematics, but in general, the average christian missionary has little or no basis to discuss these themes in an educated way. They have been trained in there own church’s doctrinal view in these matters, which tend to be based on wilful ignorance, incompetence or outright fraudulent claims.

BUT with the bible, the discussions cannot be obfuscated by a belief, because every christian must hold that at least parts of the bible are true. Showing parts of the bible (or especially the koran*) to believers is contrary to there beliefs is far more effective in opening a gap, for people to discuss the other areas which define individual atheist thought.

*it is surprising how many muslims have not read the koran in western cultures, mainly due to clerics insistence the verses must be learnt in the Aramaic root language by rote, without understanding the words themselves. Give them a koran in a language they can read, and its quiet funny seeing their faces.

That’s a pretty good response. But I do have to point a few things out. “Atheists” don’t really have any central argument.
That would explain a few things, because speaking with American Muslims on stickam, they seem to know nothing about the Quran.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

sorry gplex

I was under the view that any one failure of religion against any of these arguments makes you an atheist.

To furnish it in my bad attempt of a metaphor.

The path to atheism has many roads, the path to ignorance doesn’t even have a dirt track.

Gplex wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: I’ll answer this one if you don’t mind gplex.

Atheists do have multiple arguments against the god hypothesis, many based on the characteristics of free will, evolution, cosmology, philosophy and mathematics, but in general, the average christian missionary has little or no basis to discuss these themes in an educated way. They have been trained in there own church’s doctrinal view in these matters, which tend to be based on wilful ignorance, incompetence or outright fraudulent claims.

BUT with the bible, the discussions cannot be obfuscated by a belief, because every christian must hold that at least parts of the bible are true. Showing parts of the bible (or especially the koran*) to believers is contrary to there beliefs is far more effective in opening a gap, for people to discuss the other areas which define individual atheist thought.

*it is surprising how many muslims have not read the koran in western cultures, mainly due to clerics insistence the verses must be learnt in the Aramaic root language by rote, without understanding the words themselves. Give them a koran in a language they can read, and its quiet funny seeing their faces.

That’s a pretty good response. But I do have to point a few things out. “Atheists” don’t really have any central argument.
That would explain a few things, because speaking with American Muslims on stickam, they seem to know nothing about the Quran.

Wrong. Atheists do have a “central argument”.
Atheists do not believe in the Christian God.

Voyager wrote:

Gplex wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: I’ll answer this one if you don’t mind gplex.

Atheists do have multiple arguments against the god hypothesis, many based on the characteristics of free will, evolution, cosmology, philosophy and mathematics, but in general, the average christian missionary has little or no basis to discuss these themes in an educated way. They have been trained in there own church’s doctrinal view in these matters, which tend to be based on wilful ignorance, incompetence or outright fraudulent claims.

BUT with the bible, the discussions cannot be obfuscated by a belief, because every christian must hold that at least parts of the bible are true. Showing parts of the bible (or especially the koran*) to believers is contrary to there beliefs is far more effective in opening a gap, for people to discuss the other areas which define individual atheist thought.

*it is surprising how many muslims have not read the koran in western cultures, mainly due to clerics insistence the verses must be learnt in the Aramaic root language by rote, without understanding the words themselves. Give them a koran in a language they can read, and its quiet funny seeing their faces.

That’s a pretty good response. But I do have to point a few things out. “Atheists” don’t really have any central argument.
That would explain a few things, because speaking with American Muslims on stickam, they seem to know nothing about the Quran.

Wrong. Atheists do have a “central argument”.
Atheists do not believe in the Christian God.

Its a lack of belief of any gods.

Well, duhhh Saosin, but they mainly just concentrate on flaming the God of Christianity.

Voyager wrote: Well, duhhh Saosin, but they mainly just concentrate on flaming the God of Christianity.

well most americans are christians why wouldnt they?

and they arent flaming them.
the same can be said for other religious people when they say things about atheism.

“religious people”...you confuse the people with the tenets.

Voyager wrote: “religious people”...you confuse the people with the tenats.

umm no.

Saosin wrote:

Voyager wrote: “religious people”...you confuse the people with the tenats.

umm no.

lol umm yes.

Zucas wrote: Pretty much what Haylias said. If we gave an argument about an entirely different religion than the ones we arguing with then how is this a debate. It’s more of a massacre.

But, if this be the case, then I challenge all believers to argue something other than anti-evolution or anti-atheists. There are plenty of other godless or non Islamic/Judeo-Christian beliefs out there as well.

See what I did there. I mean I can argue from any side, from any point of view, at any time of the day. I’m just that well coerced in the subject and is why I’m so successful at arguing it and providing a good point of view. So if you want to challenge me I can argue against Islam, Buddhism, or any organized religion you deem I need to do. But I don’t have to for two reasons. None of you will no about anything I’m saying because you have no idea about any of them. And you wouldn’t be able to argue back for the exact same reasons.

Make it easier for yourselves ladies and gents. Stick with what think you know so I don’t have to tell you everything you don’t.

That’s a pretty arrogant statement you made towards the end of your post. You’re not the only one who is extremely well educated on other religious beliefs and lifestyles, Zucas .

gabmed wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote: y so srs

BECAUSE this site praticcally is my life

Zucas wrote: Pretty much what Haylias said. If we gave an argument about an entirely different religion than the ones we arguing with then how is this a debate. It’s more of a massacre.

But, if this be the case, then I challenge all believers to argue something other than anti-evolution or anti-atheists. There are plenty of other godless or non Islamic/Judeo-Christian beliefs out there as well.

See what I did there. I mean I can argue from any side, from any point of view, at any time of the day. I’m just that well coerced in the subject and is why I’m so successful at arguing it and providing a good point of view. So if you want to challenge me I can argue against Islam, Buddhism, or any organized religion you deem I need to do. But I don’t have to for two reasons. None of you will no about anything I’m saying because you have no idea about any of them. And you wouldn’t be able to argue back for the exact same reasons.

Make it easier for yourselves ladies and gents. Stick with what think you know so I don’t have to tell you everything you don’t.

Err...umm...Zucas?

co·erce (k-ûrs)
tr.v. co·erced, co·erc·ing, co·erc·es
1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.
2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See Synonyms at force.
3. To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement.

Is this what you meant?

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