A Challenge to the Atheists

Chilly man wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

Voyager wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

Archangel Azrael wrote: okay dude
1 thing atheists need to learn
that we theists have taught to us from the bible or any other religious book:

Do not judge lest ye be judged.

Tell that to the gay hating christians who say they dont hate gays....god does....picketing with signs saying no to fags is being a hypocrite when your supposed to love your neighbor and such....by the way i dont judge people by my standards...i judge them by their own standards...its much better to point out how much of a non-christian a christian is by using biblical refrences...

Rip, I like you but you are wrong. True Christians do not hate gays or anyone. The people you see are “Christians” in name only. Also, it is not up to you or me or anyone to judge. God will do that and use their standards against them.

if that is the case then i concede that tre christians are vastly outnumbered by the cafeteria christians..but basically we cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow. If the Bible is the INFALLABLE word of god, then we must adhere to all of its rules.

Let me cite a few screwed up things that the “believers” are backsliding on. Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22 states that being gay is a detestible sin. It even goes further by saying in Lev. chapter 20 verse 13 that homosexuality is punishible by death. Lets look at a couple other examples. Anyone who speaks dishonorably against their mother or father, put to death. Adultery, death. Cursing God in vain, stoned to death. No contact with women during their period...What I’m getting at is that if you are a christian, you cant have it both ways....Your faith doesn’t allow for the luxury of picking and choosing which parts to adhere to.

If you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and according to the believers, infallible, then you must accept ALL that is written...Cant be picky.... And one last thing....Someone try to find where Jesus himself speaks against homosexuality...I want to see the red print in the Bible where he says it’s bad.

“Many are called but few are chosen” - God
The Bible IS the inspired Word of God. If you read it from cover to cover and not take anything out of context or put your OWN meaning to something God said it is infallable. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not replace it. The Law was for Jews of the Old Testament and for everyone on earth as an example of their need to receive the forgiveness purchased by Jesus for them on the Cross. God cannot abide ANY sin. Not one teeny weensie sin. But Jesus bought us with a price. It is our choice whether or not we choose to accept His gift.

so...he bought us knowing that we CONSTANTLY live in sin yet can get to heaven through him....You said yourself that god cant abide any sin...So in reality all sin is equal...in theory then a gay man can get to heaven...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Absolutely correct Rip. “Give that man a cigar!" You hit it right on the nose. I couldn’t have said it better.

Wow...I didnt expect that response honestly...I figured you were gonna tell me i was 180 degrees off...Logic pays off!!! WOO HOO(in my best homer simpson voice)!!!!! Thumbs up Chilly...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote: Wow...I didnt expect that response honestly...I figured you were gonna tell me i was 180 degrees off...Logic pays off!!! WOO HOO(in my best homer simpson voice)!!!!! Thumbs up Chilly...

ROTFFLMFAO (Ya gotta love him).

Chilly man wrote: It is our choice whether or not we choose to accept His gift.

IS IT?

Sorry, being a DPD schizophrenic (and because of it all, a very nihilistic atheist), I find that debatable.

silverspirit2001 wrote:

Chilly man wrote: It is our choice whether or not we choose to accept His gift.

IS IT?

Sorry, being a DPD schizophrenic (and because of it all, a very nihilistic atheist), I find that debatable.

lol How can you debate a statement like that Spirit? That’s like me saying it’s your choice to stop at that stop sign and you saying no it’s not, I have no choice.

Nope

Its more like being dyslexic, and not being able to read the stop sign.

So if I cannot read the sign am I bound by its laws?

I have changed my mind

Its more like a blind man trying to see the sign, am I bound by its laws?

silverspirit2001 wrote: I have changed my mind

Its more like a blind man trying to see the sign, am I bound by its laws?

lol Yes, you violated one law by driving without a valid drivers license and another by running a stop sign (ignorance of the offense is no excuse).

its true! they only argue against christians when muslim religion is even more popular than christianism. in a survey from around the world christianism is supposedly 2nd to muslim

“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”

I don’t doubt that (and it’s prophesied in the Bible).

Chilly man wrote: I don’t doubt that (and it’s prophesied in the Bible).

nah im serious my history teacher told us about it

“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”

crys14 wrote:

Chilly man wrote: I don’t doubt that (and it’s prophesied in the Bible).

nah im serious my history teacher told us about it

lol I agreed with ya Crys.

Chilly man wrote:

crys14 wrote:

Chilly man wrote: I don’t doubt that (and it’s prophesied in the Bible).

nah im serious my history teacher told us about it

lol I agreed with ya Crys.

lol i didnt see the 'dont' part

“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”

Maybe in the world...but i live in the bible belt.. Every damn week in the summer there is another old time revival...come get saved!!!!!!...right after we pass the collection plate though.....heaven is hard on a wallet...lol

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

crys14 wrote: its true! they only argue against christians when muslim religion is even more popular than christianism. in a survey from around the world christianism is supposedly 2nd to muslim

It’s Christianity not christianism. I don’t even know what would make you think that.

I think a lot of the reason people argue, at least here, mainly against Christianity is it is the main religion of the users here. Look at the directory stickied on the religion section. I mean what is the majority of users. Why would they start arguing against Hinduism or Islam when none of the Christians will know or care about what they are saying.

Majority of my arguments come simply from believing in a god. I argue against a god and generally nothing else. I don’t mind pointing out fallacies and inconsistencies in the Christian religion or even the Islamic religion. However, being an Atheist means you challenge god.

Now that doesn’t mean I have a vendetta against god. Know I have a vendetta against those who seek to manipulate and corrupt the world under false premises and ideologies for their own personal gain. There are very few people in this world left that serve to fight for what is right... that’s what I fight for. I have never denied the possibility of a superior being. All I argue is that if there is one... what makes you think such an insignificant creature such as a human has the capacity of knowledge to understand, let alone rationalize, its existence.

My beliefs are simple. There is an absolute answer to everything. Everything has something that can be solved with logic and reason. However, that logic and reason that leads up to that answer we may never ever ever understand or know. Thus as justified people we should seek for the truth without infringing on universal justice. The god these religions have infringed on this justice. And if there is a god, they have infringed on divine justice. I’m all for believing in what you think to be the truth but you must go through all the facts and truths and then come up with an answer.

That’s all I really ask of people. Recognize you are human and that you might not know every answer to the world. But that doesn’t mean their isn’t an answer. No need to create answers out of arrogance. Continue to search for the truth through logic and reason while always questioning certain “truths” and “logic”. If everyone did that, this world would be a much better place.

dumb topic

Chilly man wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: I have changed my mind

Its more like a blind man trying to see the sign, am I bound by its laws?

lol Yes, you violated one law by driving without a valid drivers license and another by running a stop sign (ignorance of the offense is no excuse).

I would blame the person who gave me the car, and forced me to drive it. I committed the offence under duress.