a note to the athiests here

Khorib wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: It is always of more value to question and believe, than to believe without question.

Most mature Christians do this, despite what many atheists believe.

Many say they do when they obviously don’t, as well. However, questioning can only get harder as you age simply because even more of your life is built upon your beliefs. Questioning one’s beliefs at that point is an assault on their entire life.

Explain

Explain what? You know it’s true. People lie to others, but also lie to themselves. Saying that you’ve questioned your own beliefs is probably the easiest thing to lie about since nobody would ever know but you. Everyone says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so. It makes them sound more rational.

The fact is, sincerely questioning yourself is one of the hardest things you can do.

don’t get me wrong (cause i am an atheist) but you don’t have to immediatley become an atheist when you question God... maybe just stray from the path a little bit like George Bush jk jk jk but you get the point... some christians really do question God and then come back to him (hell knows why)it is the phonies that make them look bad

I respect christians i just don’t respect some of their beliefs and I hate the hypocritical phonies

Never meant that questioning automatically causes you to become atheist. But the idea is that most people will do everything they can to avoid causing doubt.

so what about the christians that live a legitmately good life and never question their faith? are they considered superficial if they don’t lie about having doubts? are you any less of a christian if do or don’t question your belief of something greater than you?
Khorib said: “EVERYONE says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so." I guess my questions have to do with living paradox of a christian,... their dignity (how can they have dignity either way) more so than validity of faith. This sisn’t just for Khorib i would like other people to answer

Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

Sounds like an indoctrination device to me.

The Bible states that to each man (human race I suppose) is given a measure of faith


Correction, to each person

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

Sounds like an indoctrination device to me.

It can be, but it isn’t necessarily. Its supposed to be more like reassurance.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

Sounds like an indoctrination device to me.

It can be, but it isn’t necessarily. Its supposed to be more like reassurance.

Blind faith is more like having faith in something without any reason other than being told and ignoring everything that says otherwise.

I wouldn’t say that it is the same as keeping faith in hard times. That is just consistency, which I have no quarrel with.

I simply have no respect for someone that builds their life upon a faith that even they have no understanding of why they believe it.

Define faith

Chaos Theory wrote: Define faith

1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1): fidelity to one’s promises
(2): sincerity of intentions
2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
(2): complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction

I suppose to either add clarity or confusion, what I am really trying to say here is that some who *takes their faith on faith* will get no respect from me.
They must find reason, they should know why.


— on faith
: without question <took everything he said on faith>

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

Sounds like an indoctrination device to me.

It can be, but it isn’t necessarily. Its supposed to be more like reassurance.

Blind faith is more like having faith in something without any reason other than being told and ignoring everything that says otherwise.

I wouldn’t say that it is the same as keeping faith in hard times. That is just consistency, which I have no quarrel with.

I simply have no respect for someone that builds their life upon a faith that even they have no understanding of why they believe it.

Oh, I agree if thats the case.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: It is always of more value to question and believe, than to believe without question.

Most mature Christians do this, despite what many atheists believe.

Many say they do when they obviously don’t, as well. However, questioning can only get harder as you age simply because even more of your life is built upon your beliefs. Questioning one’s beliefs at that point is an assault on their entire life.

Explain

Explain what? You know it’s true. People lie to others, but also lie to themselves. Saying that you’ve questioned your own beliefs is probably the easiest thing to lie about since nobody would ever know but you. Everyone says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so. It makes them sound more rational.

The fact is, sincerely questioning yourself is one of the hardest things you can do.

don’t get me wrong (cause i am an atheist) but you don’t have to immediatley become an atheist when you question God... maybe just stray from the path a little bit like George Bush jk jk jk but you get the point... some christians really do question God and then come back to him (hell knows why)it is the phonies that make them look bad

I respect christians i just don’t respect some of their beliefs and I hate the hypocritical phonies

Never meant that questioning automatically causes you to become atheist. But the idea is that most people will do everything they can to avoid causing doubt.

so what about the christians that live a legitmately good life and never question their faith? are they considered superficial if they don’t lie about having doubts? are you any less of a christian if do or don’t question your belief of something greater than you?
Khorib said: “EVERYONE says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so." I guess my questions have to do with living paradox of a christian,... their dignity (how can they have dignity either way) more so than validity of faith. This sisn’t just for Khorib i would like other people to answer

imo, if you never question your faith (that being the most general of terms, meaning anything from asking if you are right or not to asking 'who IS God?'), then you aren’t actually seeking after God, and imo, you are not a TRUE christian.

son- can i see the scripture supporting blind faith?

Im pretty sure the Earth is flat.

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: It is always of more value to question and believe, than to believe without question.

Most mature Christians do this, despite what many atheists believe.

Many say they do when they obviously don’t, as well. However, questioning can only get harder as you age simply because even more of your life is built upon your beliefs. Questioning one’s beliefs at that point is an assault on their entire life.

Explain

Explain what? You know it’s true. People lie to others, but also lie to themselves. Saying that you’ve questioned your own beliefs is probably the easiest thing to lie about since nobody would ever know but you. Everyone says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so. It makes them sound more rational.

The fact is, sincerely questioning yourself is one of the hardest things you can do.

don’t get me wrong (cause i am an atheist) but you don’t have to immediatley become an atheist when you question God... maybe just stray from the path a little bit like George Bush jk jk jk but you get the point... some christians really do question God and then come back to him (hell knows why)it is the phonies that make them look bad

I respect christians i just don’t respect some of their beliefs and I hate the hypocritical phonies

Never meant that questioning automatically causes you to become atheist. But the idea is that most people will do everything they can to avoid causing doubt.

so what about the christians that live a legitmately good life and never question their faith? are they considered superficial if they don’t lie about having doubts? are you any less of a christian if do or don’t question your belief of something greater than you?
Khorib said: “EVERYONE says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so." I guess my questions have to do with living paradox of a christian,... their dignity (how can they have dignity either way) more so than validity of faith. This sisn’t just for Khorib i would like other people to answer

imo, if you never question your faith (that being the most general of terms, meaning anything from asking if you are right or not to asking 'who IS God?'), then you aren’t actually seeking after God, and imo, you are not a TRUE christian.

son- can i see the scripture supporting blind faith?

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: It is always of more value to question and believe, than to believe without question.

Most mature Christians do this, despite what many atheists believe.

Many say they do when they obviously don’t, as well. However, questioning can only get harder as you age simply because even more of your life is built upon your beliefs. Questioning one’s beliefs at that point is an assault on their entire life.

Explain

Explain what? You know it’s true. People lie to others, but also lie to themselves. Saying that you’ve questioned your own beliefs is probably the easiest thing to lie about since nobody would ever know but you. Everyone says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so. It makes them sound more rational.

The fact is, sincerely questioning yourself is one of the hardest things you can do.

don’t get me wrong (cause i am an atheist) but you don’t have to immediatley become an atheist when you question God... maybe just stray from the path a little bit like George Bush jk jk jk but you get the point... some christians really do question God and then come back to him (hell knows why)it is the phonies that make them look bad

I respect christians i just don’t respect some of their beliefs and I hate the hypocritical phonies

Never meant that questioning automatically causes you to become atheist. But the idea is that most people will do everything they can to avoid causing doubt.

so what about the christians that live a legitmately good life and never question their faith? are they considered superficial if they don’t lie about having doubts? are you any less of a christian if do or don’t question your belief of something greater than you?
Khorib said: “EVERYONE says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so." I guess my questions have to do with living paradox of a christian,... their dignity (how can they have dignity either way) more so than validity of faith. This sisn’t just for Khorib i would like other people to answer

imo, if you never question your faith (that being the most general of terms, meaning anything from asking if you are right or not to asking 'who IS God?'), then you aren’t actually seeking after God, and imo, you are not a TRUE christian.

son- can i see the scripture supporting blind faith?

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

i disagree. just because you haven’t seen something doesn’t mean you don’t question it, don’t think about it. to use the overplayed example, you don’t see your own brain, but its considered insane to believe you don’t actually have one. thats not blind faith, its based on something. reasoning, logic, science, whatever. i think what thats saying is that if you know the truth, even though you’re not having it spoon fed to you by seeing him irl, then you are truly blessed.

good for you kev lol

spencer the king wrote: good for you kev lol

BEWARE ATHEISTS!!! Spencer the king is now a religion monitor, which means YOOUR ass is grass and Spence is the lawn mower.

kev360 wrote:

some one new wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: It is always of more value to question and believe, than to believe without question.

Most mature Christians do this, despite what many atheists believe.

Many say they do when they obviously don’t, as well. However, questioning can only get harder as you age simply because even more of your life is built upon your beliefs. Questioning one’s beliefs at that point is an assault on their entire life.

Explain

Explain what? You know it’s true. People lie to others, but also lie to themselves. Saying that you’ve questioned your own beliefs is probably the easiest thing to lie about since nobody would ever know but you. Everyone says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so. It makes them sound more rational.

The fact is, sincerely questioning yourself is one of the hardest things you can do.

don’t get me wrong (cause i am an atheist) but you don’t have to immediatley become an atheist when you question God... maybe just stray from the path a little bit like George Bush jk jk jk but you get the point... some christians really do question God and then come back to him (hell knows why)it is the phonies that make them look bad

I respect christians i just don’t respect some of their beliefs and I hate the hypocritical phonies

Never meant that questioning automatically causes you to become atheist. But the idea is that most people will do everything they can to avoid causing doubt.

so what about the christians that live a legitmately good life and never question their faith? are they considered superficial if they don’t lie about having doubts? are you any less of a christian if do or don’t question your belief of something greater than you?
Khorib said: “EVERYONE says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so." I guess my questions have to do with living paradox of a christian,... their dignity (how can they have dignity either way) more so than validity of faith. This sisn’t just for Khorib i would like other people to answer

imo, if you never question your faith (that being the most general of terms, meaning anything from asking if you are right or not to asking 'who IS God?'), then you aren’t actually seeking after God, and imo, you are not a TRUE christian.

son- can i see the scripture supporting blind faith?

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

i disagree. just because you haven’t seen something doesn’t mean you don’t question it, don’t think about it. to use the overplayed example, you don’t see your own brain, but its considered insane to believe you don’t actually have one. thats not blind faith, its based on something. reasoning, logic, science, whatever. i think what thats saying is that if you know the truth, even though you’re not having it spoon fed to you by seeing him irl, then you are truly blessed.

but there is physical evidence for things such as the brain... and deists are running on less then fumes when it comes to God (that is evidence wise)

secondly i thought to be a TRUE christian you had to live a life parallel (or very similar) to Christ and wasn’t about questioning faith at all but being a person that reflects (roughly) the actions and life of christ. Christianity isn’t just defined by belief in God but also that Jesus is the son and human manifestation of God.

There are about 2 billion christians on earth... that leaves 4 billion people that don’t beleive in christ as their savior...are those 4 billion going to hell because they didn’t accept Christ as their savior? Are they bad people? What kind of loving God would codemn so much of his own creation?

Here is some more math, 5 billion people beleive in some “higher power” or “greater purpose” (that second one is for bhuddists) that still leaves a whopping 1 billion people that openly reject the idea of deities or those who are too busy to give a rats ass about something higher than them cause they have their own lives to focus on.

The daunting questions here is :
Do you have to believe in God to live a christ like life or even just be a really good person?
Is it really necessary When trying to convert somebody to your religion to even mention your faith at all? Can’t you use the unspoken Christ like actions (this includes all behaviors of christ including the unspoken invocations of your word) to possibly convert them? Even if you fail to convert them that day or never, the impact of your actions could change their life and they maybe not be a self-proclaimed christian but because of you they are now living a good life in reflection of Christ.

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews