a note to the athiests here

Gplex wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

According to Oklahoma law its illegal to hunt whales in that State.

some one new online wrote:

Gplex wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

According to Oklahoma law its illegal to hunt whales in that State.

What does that have to do with the bible?

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

some one new online wrote:

Gplex wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

According to Oklahoma law its illegal to hunt whales in that State.

What does that have to do with the bible?

Both are laws that do not apply with the current circumstances.

Oklahoma copied its constitution from Oregon (I think) and they didn’t take much effort into revising it therefore it is illegal to hunt whales
in Oklahoma. Now as you now much of the united states at one point in history was covered in ancient seas, and maybe if we lived 10000 years ago that law could be applicable.
Same with the Bible earlier the guest silverspirit
made a comment that I’m sure you can agree with that was “Christians miss the 'crucial' parts of the Bible (ie: Stone your children etc.)"
The difference between a skeptic and a Christian is that the skeptic looks at the entire bible with undiscriminating eyes. The law of moses is just as important as the NT, especially with Jesus saying “I came not to change the law...."
But what Jesus had to say was more important:

Matthew 17
1And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote:

some one new online wrote:

Gplex wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

According to Oklahoma law its illegal to hunt whales in that State.

What does that have to do with the bible?

Both are laws that do not apply with the current circumstances.

Oklahoma copied its constitution from Oregon (I think) and they didn’t take much effort into revising it therefore it is illegal to hunt whales
in Oklahoma. Now as you now much of the united states at one point in history was covered in ancient seas, and maybe if we lived 10000 years ago that law could be applicable.
Same with the Bible earlier the guest silverspirit
made a comment that I’m sure you can agree with that was “Christians miss the 'crucial' parts of the Bible (ie: Stone your children etc.)"
The difference between a skeptic and a Christian is that the skeptic looks at the entire bible with undiscriminating eyes. The law of moses is just as important as the NT, especially with Jesus saying “I came not to change the law...."
But what Jesus had to say was more important:

Matthew 17
1And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

I want to say yes but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

some one new is here wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

I want to say yes but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

Meaning, if we don’t accept Jesus and we still want to get to heaven, then we can still do so by following the Old Testament verbatim?

some one new is here wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

I want to say yes but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

Okay....

*calls the hospital*

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

I want to say yes but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

Meaning, if we don’t accept Jesus and we still want to get to heaven, then we can still do so by following the Old Testament verbatim?

I’m not entirely sure but the NT makes it pretty clear that there is only one path to God.

Matthew 7
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

bonesboy08 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

some one new wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: It is always of more value to question and believe, than to believe without question.

Most mature Christians do this, despite what many atheists believe.

Many say they do when they obviously don’t, as well. However, questioning can only get harder as you age simply because even more of your life is built upon your beliefs. Questioning one’s beliefs at that point is an assault on their entire life.

Explain

Explain what? You know it’s true. People lie to others, but also lie to themselves. Saying that you’ve questioned your own beliefs is probably the easiest thing to lie about since nobody would ever know but you. Everyone says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so. It makes them sound more rational.

The fact is, sincerely questioning yourself is one of the hardest things you can do.

don’t get me wrong (cause i am an atheist) but you don’t have to immediatley become an atheist when you question God... maybe just stray from the path a little bit like George Bush jk jk jk but you get the point... some christians really do question God and then come back to him (hell knows why)it is the phonies that make them look bad

I respect christians i just don’t respect some of their beliefs and I hate the hypocritical phonies

Never meant that questioning automatically causes you to become atheist. But the idea is that most people will do everything they can to avoid causing doubt.

so what about the christians that live a legitmately good life and never question their faith? are they considered superficial if they don’t lie about having doubts? are you any less of a christian if do or don’t question your belief of something greater than you?
Khorib said: “EVERYONE says they have questioned their beliefs because it is more respectable to have done so." I guess my questions have to do with living paradox of a christian,... their dignity (how can they have dignity either way) more so than validity of faith. This sisn’t just for Khorib i would like other people to answer

imo, if you never question your faith (that being the most general of terms, meaning anything from asking if you are right or not to asking 'who IS God?'), then you aren’t actually seeking after God, and imo, you are not a TRUE christian.

son- can i see the scripture supporting blind faith?

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed

i disagree. just because you haven’t seen something doesn’t mean you don’t question it, don’t think about it. to use the overplayed example, you don’t see your own brain, but its considered insane to believe you don’t actually have one. thats not blind faith, its based on something. reasoning, logic, science, whatever. i think what thats saying is that if you know the truth, even though you’re not having it spoon fed to you by seeing him irl, then you are truly blessed.

but there is physical evidence for things such as the brain... and deists are running on less then fumes when it comes to God (that is evidence wise)

secondly i thought to be a TRUE christian you had to live a life parallel (or very similar) to Christ and wasn’t about questioning faith at all but being a person that reflects (roughly) the actions and life of christ. Christianity isn’t just defined by belief in God but also that Jesus is the son and human manifestation of God.

There are about 2 billion christians on earth... that leaves 4 billion people that don’t beleive in christ as their savior...are those 4 billion going to hell because they didn’t accept Christ as their savior? Are they bad people? What kind of loving God would codemn so much of his own creation?

Here is some more math, 5 billion people beleive in some “higher power” or “greater purpose” (that second one is for bhuddists) that still leaves a whopping 1 billion people that openly reject the idea of deities or those who are too busy to give a rats ass about something higher than them cause they have their own lives to focus on.

The daunting questions here is :
Do you have to believe in God to live a christ like life or even just be a really good person?
Is it really necessary When trying to convert somebody to your religion to even mention your faith at all? Can’t you use the unspoken Christ like actions (this includes all behaviors of christ including the unspoken invocations of your word) to possibly convert them? Even if you fail to convert them that day or never, the impact of your actions could change their life and they maybe not be a self-proclaimed christian but because of you they are now living a good life in reflection of Christ.

in my opinion, the only way to live like Jesus is to know him. in order to know him, you have to ask questions. question everything, and if its true, you’ll end up with a better understanding of it. and, btw, questioning = not blind faith.

but, the thing is, its not about being good. we’re all to bad. all of are not good enough. its not about being a good person or a bad person or whatever. thats why only christians can get to heaven. there are plenty of good people who are athiests. the thing is, its not by works that we get salvation. so, i’d have to disagree with you....to a degree. i do think that converting people shouldn’t be about another notch on your belt. its about relationships, and converting because you believe in what you say, and love these people and want them to be saved. its not about converting x amount of people in a week or month or whatever. its about loving on em.

To add to kev’s point, I had an old pastor who used to say the life you live may be the only bible a person reads.

so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

Personally I don’t condemn anyone, they are already condemned by their own actions or inaction’s.

some one new 5000 wrote: Personally I don’t condemn anyone, they are already condemned by their own actions or inaction’s.

And thats the problem with religion...your dammed if you do and your dammed if you dont..The main thing about religion is the fact it presumes that we are born with a defect, and the only way to cure the defect is religion...L. Ron Hubbard (the founder of scientology) noticed that his books werent selling as well in the science fiction section...He wanted his books to be placed in the religious section because “thats where the money is”...And at the heart of it all that is what it is...A giant scheme to make money and not pay taxes.

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Gplex wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

That’s been modernized into spanking.

the bible says stone children?

Chaos Theory wrote:
the bible says stone children?

In the old testament.

some one new online wrote:

Gplex wrote:

some one new wrote:

Khorib wrote: Blind faith is not a virtue that deserves respect

According to the Bible it is. Thats why I said it seems weird that a Christian would lie and say that they didn’t have it. I know not every christian believes but a lot of Christians mature Christians (if not most of them) do not have blind faith. But having it is encouraged.
As long as its blind faith in God.

According to the bible, we should stone misbehaving children..

According to Oklahoma law its illegal to hunt whales in that State.

lmao According to Missouri it’s illegal to fuck chickens.