a note to the athiests here

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

kev360 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

Nothing about that is unique to Christianity.

Haylias wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

I want to say yes but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

Okay....

*calls the hospital*

lol....

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

Haylias wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Khorib wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

some one new is here wrote:

Gplex wrote: So how do you pickout what god doesnt want us to do any more?

Just look at the example set by Jesus.
“He who is with out sin shall cast the first stone”

“Love the enemies”

I’ll elaborate more later

Acts 13 (amplified bible)
39And that through Him everyone who believes [who [i]acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God

So... if we don’t acknowledge Jesus... then we have to stone misbehaving children and sacrifice goats to go to heaven? (basically uphold the “old” laws)

I want to say yes but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

Okay....

*calls the hospital*

lol....

So, G? What’s the word?

Khorib wrote:

kev360 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

Nothing about that is unique to Christianity.

1. i’ve been looking, and i can’t find any other religion that shares those qualities. any major current one, at least.

2. whats your point?

kev360 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

kev360 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

Nothing about that is unique to Christianity.

1. i’ve been looking, and i can’t find any other religion that shares those qualities. any major current one, at least.

2. whats your point?

emphasis just in case its ignored.

kev360 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

kev360 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

Nothing about that is unique to Christianity.

1. i’ve been looking, and i can’t find any other religion that shares those qualities. any major current one, at least.

2. whats your point?

Current major religion, no.

As for the point? Christianity likes to, amongst other things, think that it is the very first religion of its kind. It seems to go along with glorifying “persecution” as well.

One too many times I’ve heard people say Christianity is unique because of Jesus being a savior, martyr, and resurrecting.

But as far as the major ones go, self-hate is certainly a somewhat unique trait. Why people have flocked to the idea, that we are God’s “ugly” children that he loves, but cannot look at without vomiting, is beyond me. Makes me think Christians are masochists at heart.

I suppose modern humanism would be incompatible with Christianity. Its really about humility not self loathing Christians aren’t supposed to hate themselves. (Something I have to remind myself constantly.)

some one new online again wrote: I suppose modern humanism would be incompatible with Christianity. Its really about humility not self loathing Christians aren’t supposed to hate themselves. (Something I have to remind myself constantly.)

Believing that you deserve to burn in Hell, and that you will never deserve better is a form of self-loathing, man.

Khorib wrote:

kev360 wrote:

Khorib wrote:

kev360 wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

kev360 wrote:

bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

Nothing about that is unique to Christianity.

1. i’ve been looking, and i can’t find any other religion that shares those qualities. any major current one, at least.

2. whats your point?

Current major religion, no.

As for the point? Christianity likes to, amongst other things, think that it is the very first religion of its kind. It seems to go along with glorifying “persecution” as well.

One too many times I’ve heard people say Christianity is unique because of Jesus being a savior, martyr, and resurrecting.

But as far as the major ones go, self-hate is certainly a somewhat unique trait. Why people have flocked to the idea, that we are God’s “ugly” children that he loves, but cannot look at without vomiting, is beyond me. Makes me think Christians are masochists at heart.

hmm, good thing i’m not making that case though. and, it does glorify persecution. but, i think thats overused by chritians. its one thing if you stand up against people who are oppressing you because of your belief. its something else completely if you stand up against people for questioning your belief/what you justify with your belief. you see my point?

as for the self hating thing, perceive what you will. personally, i don’t see that much good of humans. i see less then i should. in reality, humans, even according to the bible, are more of victims then anything else. we are fundamentally good, made in God’s image, unique, special, amazing beings, who have been tainted by sin. really, we’re caught in the crossfire of a massive spiritual war. but, hey. idk, i think applying words like that is oversimplifying it. you have to remember, this isn’t just some doctrine that we go by. there is massive amounts of depth to it. people spend their entire lives trying to figure out things like this. i’ve personally spent hours and hours and hours in thought and discussion trying to better understand my own religion. so, to say blanket terms like that, sitting safely outside looking in, really isn’t fair. you see what i’m saying?

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bonesboy08 wrote: so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.

Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.

I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life

Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.

I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.

are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?

I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough.

in order to concede that, i’d have to concede the basis of my religion. i cannot do that. that may be something that keeps people away from christianity, but if they come to a christianity that says there are other ways to heaven, then they are not coming to chrsitianity. they are coming to a new cult based off of a twisted version of what was once a religion.

as for most of the rest...in christianity, its not about doing the right thing. regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough. christianity is about following after jesus. if you are truly following after jesus, then the actions come later. and, i feel like i’ve alreayd explained this, but...yes, God is loving, but he’s also just, and he cannot go against that part of himself.

what are you implying? do you think i don’t know that or something? i know more about science then the VAST majority of people here. please, don’t insult me.

to be honest...its not really my issue if you have a problem with my faith. its yours. i’m not going to change what i believe because you don’t like it. sorry if you have a problem with that. but, for me, that is just as bad as if i were a scientist in the middle age who renounced a theory that the sun is the center of the solar system because the church doesn’t like that idea. both are just as hypocritical. you have to stay true to yourself in what you believe- true to what you think reality is.

And there in a nutshell is religion..regardless of how good you are, you aren’t good enough.
That was one of my big problems with it. The fact that we are born with a defect. And the only cure for the defect?...Religion...

you use the world religion as is its a net term in that case. thats not so. for example, Buddhists teach that you gain enlightenment, or a perfect state, by meditation.

BUT, christians don’t believe that the defect is curable. in this life, we don’t ever become perfect. i’ve heard it most significantly that the significance of christianity is NOT that we are these perfect people, its that we admit that we’re not good enough, and we wont ever be good enough. you’re free to not like that, but thats your choice.

Nothing about that is unique to Christianity.

1. i’ve been looking, and i can’t find any other religion that shares those qualities. any major current one, at least.

2. whats your point?

Current major religion, no.

As for the point? Christianity likes to, amongst other things, think that it is the very first religion of its kind. It seems to go along with glorifying “persecution” as well.

One too many times I’ve heard people say Christianity is unique because of Jesus being a savior, martyr, and resurrecting.

But as far as the major ones go, self-hate is certainly a somewhat unique trait. Why people have flocked to the idea, that we are God’s “ugly” children that he loves, but cannot look at without vomiting, is beyond me. Makes me think Christians are masochists at heart.

hmm, good thing i’m not making that case though. and, it does glorify persecution. but, i think thats overused by chritians. its one thing if you stand up against people who are oppressing you because of your belief. its something else completely if you stand up against people for questioning your belief/what you justify with your belief. you see my point?

as for the self hating thing, perceive what you will. personally, i don’t see that much good of humans. i see less then i should. in reality, humans, even according to the bible, are more of victims then anything else. we are fundamentally good, made in God’s image, unique, special, amazing beings, who have been tainted by sin. really, we’re caught in the crossfire of a massive spiritual war. but, hey. idk, i think applying words like that is oversimplifying it. you have to remember, this isn’t just some doctrine that we go by. there is massive amounts of depth to it. people spend their entire lives trying to figure out things like this. i’ve personally spent hours and hours and hours in thought and discussion trying to better understand my own religion. so, to say blanket terms like that, sitting safely outside looking in, really isn’t fair. you see what i’m saying?

I do understand what you are saying. Like yourself, I have spent years discussing and reading religion. from the many discussions I’ve had, self-loathing (while a blanket term) is what a very large portion of Christians tend to interpret from their doctrines.

To be honest though, it’s not the doctrines themselves that interest me. To me, the doctrines are outdated and seem to *mostly* hold no value to modern times. But what I do like is talking to believers directly. Everyone has a different view and a different reason for believing. It’s very rare that a follower believes everything their doctrine says and many make their own path. *Their* path is what I hold as valuable information.