These are the type or arguments I have run up against from thiest.
The word “God” is without meaning. You don’t really know what you’re talking about when you talk about “God.“
“No, it’s not, and yes, I do."
God is not good. For example, in the Old Testament, he commanded Joshua to commit genocide.
“The elimination of evil is good. The people God commanded Joshua to kill were evil, so it was a good thing. And if their children had been spared, they would have grown up evil, too."
Why does God allow babies to die?
“Babies go straight to Heaven."
Why does God allow horrible disasters?
“When there is a disaster, the evil are destroyed, the just are miraculously saved, and the babies go straight to Heaven."
How can an eternity of punishment be just?
“Rejecting God is the worst possible sin. No punishment is too severe."
How can you say that someone who lives a good life should go to Hell because they are not religious?
“Because rejecting God is the worst possible sin."
It isn’t fair that good people who do not believe in Jesus go to Hell.
“Yes it is. Not accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior is rejecting God, which is the worst possible sin."
It isn’t fair that people who do not know about Jesus go to hell.
“God gives everyone a chance to believe in Jesus. If they don’t see the opportunity, then they are blind and would have rejected Jesus anyway, which is the worst possible sin."
It’s worthless to say “God is good” in a moral sense when you mean that whatever God does is, by definition, good.
“No it’s not."
How can God be omnipotent and all good if he allows suffering?
“God gave humanity the gift of free will. If he didn’t allow bad things to happen, then we wouldn’t be free."
If God is omnipotent and knows what we are going to do before we do it, in what sense do we have free will?
“You could do something other than what God knows you’re going to do, but if you did, he’d know about it."
If God is all good and created everything, why did he create horrible diseases?
“Diseases are part of the workings of the world, and God often uses them to punish sinners. Also, if you are in bad health, God is probably testing you."
How can God be omniscient, omnipotent, all good, and the creator of all things when those qualities lead to logical contradictions?
“It’s a mystery."
How can Jesus have risen from the dead in three days if the first day was Friday? Wouldn’t the third day be Monday?
“It’s a mystery."
How can God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit possibly be three separate entities and still be one God?
“It’s a mystery."
Why doesn’t God prove he exists?
“He proves he exists every day. You just have to believe in the proof to see it."
Why doesn’t God still do miracles?
“God does miracles every day. You just have to believe in them to see them."
The Bible says that men are the masters of women.
“That’s true."
The Bible says that children who disrespect their parents should be put to death.
“That’s true."
The Bible says you should not eat lobster.
“That part’s only for Jewish people."
The Ten Commandments were only given to Jewish people.
“They were meant for everyone."
Didn’t Matthew and Luke copy from Mark?
“No."
In the Bible, how did Pharoah’s magicians turn sticks to snakes?
“Demons did that to try and fool the faithful."
Couldn’t a non-Christian attribute Jesus' or Moses' miracles to demons?
“No."
Why are there so many contradictions in the Gospels?
“There are no contradictions in the Gospels."
But the Gospels can’t even agree on how many people showed up at Jesus' tomb.
“There are no contradictions in the Gospels!"
What sense does it make that God had to have a son and then let him die to make up for the sins of humanity?
“The most wonderful kind of sense."
How can Jesus be both completely human and God?
“He was born that way."
Jesus said that he would return during the generation of the people he spoke with, but he didn’t.
“He did return after three days, and besides what he meant was that he’d return while there were still Jewish people, or what he meant was that he would return to a future generation, or there’s one guy from back then who’s still around."
Why didn’t Jesus do any really big miracles, like make a mountain, to convince the whole world of his divinity?
“What’s the point of faith if there is proof?"
Why didn’t Jesus condemn slavery?
“People were not ready for and end to slavery back then."
Why didn’t Jesus condemn the unfair treatment of women?
“Women were not ready to be treated well back then."
Why didn’t Jesus save himself from the cross?
“Jesus' willingness to die for the sake of humanity and the willing martyrdom of many of his apostles is one of the strongest proofs for the truth of his ministry. Only the truly divine could inspire such devotion."
Does the willing suicide of Japanese kamikaze pilots prove the Emperor of Japan’s divinity?
“Don’t be stupid."
It’s not right to make atheist children say the Pledge of Allegiance since it has a statement about God in it.
“Well then, I guess it’s inappropriate for atheists to use money since it has the word God on it."
It’s not right to have “In God we trust” on money because that’s an establishment of religion.
“No, it’s just a statement of fact. This is a Christian nation."
This is not a Christian nation.
“Yes it is."
Churches don’t all agree.
“All true churches agree."
Your arguments aren’t very convincing.
“Enjoy your eternity in Hell!"
How come its is the athiest who are call evil, rude, ignorant, idiot and morons, after we point out how silly these types of answers are.... is it me or somehow thiest demand respect even when they are making silly arguments such as these, and 9/10 they get it!
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Gplex wrote:
These are the type or arguments I have run up against from thiest.
The word “God” is without meaning. You don’t really know what you’re talking about when you talk about “God.“
“No, it’s not, and yes, I do."
God is not good. For example, in the Old Testament, he commanded Joshua to commit genocide.
“The elimination of evil is good. The people God commanded Joshua to kill were evil, so it was a good thing. And if their children had been spared, they would have grown up evil, too."
Why does God allow babies to die?
“Babies go straight to Heaven."
Why does God allow horrible disasters?
“When there is a disaster, the evil are destroyed, the just are miraculously saved, and the babies go straight to Heaven."
How can an eternity of punishment be just?
“Rejecting God is the worst possible sin. No punishment is too severe."
How can you say that someone who lives a good life should go to Hell because they are not religious?
“Because rejecting God is the worst possible sin."
It isn’t fair that good people who do not believe in Jesus go to Hell.
“Yes it is. Not accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior is rejecting God, which is the worst possible sin."
It isn’t fair that people who do not know about Jesus go to hell.
“God gives everyone a chance to believe in Jesus. If they don’t see the opportunity, then they are blind and would have rejected Jesus anyway, which is the worst possible sin."
It’s worthless to say “God is good” in a moral sense when you mean that whatever God does is, by definition, good.
“No it’s not."
How can God be omnipotent and all good if he allows suffering?
“God gave humanity the gift of free will. If he didn’t allow bad things to happen, then we wouldn’t be free."
If God is omnipotent and knows what we are going to do before we do it, in what sense do we have free will?
“You could do something other than what God knows you’re going to do, but if you did, he’d know about it."
If God is all good and created everything, why did he create horrible diseases?
“Diseases are part of the workings of the world, and God often uses them to punish sinners. Also, if you are in bad health, God is probably testing you."
How can God be omniscient, omnipotent, all good, and the creator of all things when those qualities lead to logical contradictions?
“It’s a mystery."
How can Jesus have risen from the dead in three days if the first day was Friday? Wouldn’t the third day be Monday?
“It’s a mystery."
How can God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit possibly be three separate entities and still be one God?
“It’s a mystery."
Why doesn’t God prove he exists?
“He proves he exists every day. You just have to believe in the proof to see it."
Why doesn’t God still do miracles?
“God does miracles every day. You just have to believe in them to see them."
The Bible says that men are the masters of women.
“That’s true."
The Bible says that children who disrespect their parents should be put to death.
“That’s true."
The Bible says you should not eat lobster.
“That part’s only for Jewish people."
The Ten Commandments were only given to Jewish people.
“They were meant for everyone."
Didn’t Matthew and Luke copy from Mark?
“No."
In the Bible, how did Pharoah’s magicians turn sticks to snakes?
“Demons did that to try and fool the faithful."
Couldn’t a non-Christian attribute Jesus' or Moses' miracles to demons?
“No."
Why are there so many contradictions in the Gospels?
“There are no contradictions in the Gospels."
But the Gospels can’t even agree on how many people showed up at Jesus' tomb.
“There are no contradictions in the Gospels!"
What sense does it make that God had to have a son and then let him die to make up for the sins of humanity?
“The most wonderful kind of sense."
How can Jesus be both completely human and God?
“He was born that way."
Jesus said that he would return during the generation of the people he spoke with, but he didn’t.
“He did return after three days, and besides what he meant was that he’d return while there were still Jewish people, or what he meant was that he would return to a future generation, or there’s one guy from back then who’s still around."
Why didn’t Jesus do any really big miracles, like make a mountain, to convince the whole world of his divinity?
“What’s the point of faith if there is proof?"
Why didn’t Jesus condemn slavery?
“People were not ready for and end to slavery back then."
Why didn’t Jesus condemn the unfair treatment of women?
“Women were not ready to be treated well back then."
Why didn’t Jesus save himself from the cross?
“Jesus' willingness to die for the sake of humanity and the willing martyrdom of many of his apostles is one of the strongest proofs for the truth of his ministry. Only the truly divine could inspire such devotion."
Does the willing suicide of Japanese kamikaze pilots prove the Emperor of Japan’s divinity?
“Don’t be stupid."
It’s not right to make atheist children say the Pledge of Allegiance since it has a statement about God in it.
“Well then, I guess it’s inappropriate for atheists to use money since it has the word God on it."
It’s not right to have “In God we trust” on money because that’s an establishment of religion.
“No, it’s just a statement of fact. This is a Christian nation."
This is not a Christian nation.
“Yes it is."
Churches don’t all agree.
“All true churches agree."
Your arguments aren’t very convincing.
“Enjoy your eternity in Hell!"
How come its is the athiest who are call evil, rude, ignorant, idiot and morons, after we point out how silly these types of answers are.... is it me or somehow thiest demand respect even when they are making silly arguments such as these, and 9/10 they get it!
Gplex wrote:
These are the type or arguments I have run up against from thiest.
The word “God” is without meaning. You don’t really know what you’re talking about when you talk about “God.“
“No, it’s not, and yes, I do."
God is not good. For example, in the Old Testament, he commanded Joshua to commit genocide.
“The elimination of evil is good. The people God commanded Joshua to kill were evil, so it was a good thing. And if their children had been spared, they would have grown up evil, too."
Why does God allow babies to die?
“Babies go straight to Heaven."
Why does God allow horrible disasters?
“When there is a disaster, the evil are destroyed, the just are miraculously saved, and the babies go straight to Heaven."
How can an eternity of punishment be just?
“Rejecting God is the worst possible sin. No punishment is too severe."
How can you say that someone who lives a good life should go to Hell because they are not religious?
“Because rejecting God is the worst possible sin."
It isn’t fair that good people who do not believe in Jesus go to Hell.
“Yes it is. Not accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior is rejecting God, which is the worst possible sin."
It isn’t fair that people who do not know about Jesus go to hell.
“God gives everyone a chance to believe in Jesus. If they don’t see the opportunity, then they are blind and would have rejected Jesus anyway, which is the worst possible sin."
It’s worthless to say “God is good” in a moral sense when you mean that whatever God does is, by definition, good.
“No it’s not."
How can God be omnipotent and all good if he allows suffering?
“God gave humanity the gift of free will. If he didn’t allow bad things to happen, then we wouldn’t be free."
If God is omnipotent and knows what we are going to do before we do it, in what sense do we have free will?
“You could do something other than what God knows you’re going to do, but if you did, he’d know about it."
If God is all good and created everything, why did he create horrible diseases?
“Diseases are part of the workings of the world, and God often uses them to punish sinners. Also, if you are in bad health, God is probably testing you."
How can God be omniscient, omnipotent, all good, and the creator of all things when those qualities lead to logical contradictions?
“It’s a mystery."
How can Jesus have risen from the dead in three days if the first day was Friday? Wouldn’t the third day be Monday?
“It’s a mystery."
How can God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit possibly be three separate entities and still be one God?
“It’s a mystery."
Why doesn’t God prove he exists?
“He proves he exists every day. You just have to believe in the proof to see it."
Why doesn’t God still do miracles?
“God does miracles every day. You just have to believe in them to see them."
The Bible says that men are the masters of women.
“That’s true."
The Bible says that children who disrespect their parents should be put to death.
“That’s true."
The Bible says you should not eat lobster.
“That part’s only for Jewish people."
The Ten Commandments were only given to Jewish people.
“They were meant for everyone."
Didn’t Matthew and Luke copy from Mark?
“No."
In the Bible, how did Pharoah’s magicians turn sticks to snakes?
“Demons did that to try and fool the faithful."
Couldn’t a non-Christian attribute Jesus' or Moses' miracles to demons?
“No."
Why are there so many contradictions in the Gospels?
“There are no contradictions in the Gospels."
But the Gospels can’t even agree on how many people showed up at Jesus' tomb.
“There are no contradictions in the Gospels!"
What sense does it make that God had to have a son and then let him die to make up for the sins of humanity?
“The most wonderful kind of sense."
How can Jesus be both completely human and God?
“He was born that way."
Jesus said that he would return during the generation of the people he spoke with, but he didn’t.
“He did return after three days, and besides what he meant was that he’d return while there were still Jewish people, or what he meant was that he would return to a future generation, or there’s one guy from back then who’s still around."
Why didn’t Jesus do any really big miracles, like make a mountain, to convince the whole world of his divinity?
“What’s the point of faith if there is proof?"
Why didn’t Jesus condemn slavery?
“People were not ready for and end to slavery back then."
Why didn’t Jesus condemn the unfair treatment of women?
“Women were not ready to be treated well back then."
Why didn’t Jesus save himself from the cross?
“Jesus' willingness to die for the sake of humanity and the willing martyrdom of many of his apostles is one of the strongest proofs for the truth of his ministry. Only the truly divine could inspire such devotion."
Does the willing suicide of Japanese kamikaze pilots prove the Emperor of Japan’s divinity?
“Don’t be stupid."
It’s not right to make atheist children say the Pledge of Allegiance since it has a statement about God in it.
“Well then, I guess it’s inappropriate for atheists to use money since it has the word God on it."
It’s not right to have “In God we trust” on money because that’s an establishment of religion.
“No, it’s just a statement of fact. This is a Christian nation."
This is not a Christian nation.
“Yes it is."
Churches don’t all agree.
“All true churches agree."
Your arguments aren’t very convincing.
“Enjoy your eternity in Hell!"
How come its is the athiest who are call evil, rude, ignorant, idiot and morons, after we point out how silly these types of answers are.... is it me or somehow thiest demand respect even when they are making silly arguments such as these, and 9/10 they get it!
Yes, lets destroy all religion! Send those monks to the gulag! Put those priests against the wall! Burn the pope alive! Why each and every one of them is exactly like what’s written down by our wonderful Gplex!
That couldn’t be a gross generalization of people of faith, so it must all be true!
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Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
Weasel 16 wrote:
Yes, lets destroy all religion! Send those monks to the gulag! Put those priests against the wall! Burn the pope alive! Why each and every one of them is exactly like what’s written down by our wonderful Gplex!
That couldn’t be a gross generalization of people of faith, so it must all be true!
Strawman, did I say to burn people etc etc, its the normal religious sheep who give these morons the power that they have.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
by definition that is a list of strawmen. the biggest list i’ve ever seen. obvious someone named gstring made up all those answers and twisted existing ones.
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Theory is not a guess or hunch. A theory is a logical, self-consistent model. I am a theory. I’m logical and self-consistent about eradicating religion. Um. I guess a theory is a hunch because I’m a hunchback. In fact, I am the hunchback of Notre Dame. It’s ten cents a ride.
People who make fun of religion are no diffrent from the racist bigots and all the over -ist its there belief as long as they arent pushing it on you shouldnt make fun
and atheist are ignorant they dont understand that people beleive these things because they want to why should they debunk it atheist like to say there open minded well they should open their mind to the thought that maybe god is watching and rofling and all the religions lead to the same place Heaven even satanism
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
People who make fun of religion are no diffrent from the racist bigots
It’s ironic you say that, because the Bible is racist. The Bible says the Jews are God’s people. How is that fair? What makes them holier than whites or blacks or asians? Why did they get salvation before the rest of us?
Race is something you’re born with and doesn’t hurt anybody. Religion is different. Religions are beliefs, and just like political and social beliefs, these can be good or evil. Evil beliefs do not deserve respect. You do not respect white supremacists, you do not respect social darwinists, you do not respect scientologists, you do not respect fascists, you do not respect the westboro baptist church. What makes Christianity or Islam any different? Any serious reading of the Bible and Quran from beginning to finish will confirm these religions are as evil as any of the ideologies listed above.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
its there belief as long as they arent pushing it on you shouldnt make fun
I will disrespect religions that are evil or stupid, whether they’re being forced on me or not, I’m not forcing anyone to give up their beliefs. People need to stop being pussies and realise that freedom of speech is more important than not offending people.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
and atheist are ignorant they dont understand that people beleive these things because they want to
I understand that better than most theists xD
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
why should they debunk it atheist like to say there open minded well they should open their mind to the thought that maybe god is watching and rofling
Why did OmegaYiXingshenglong bump this old thread? My response to OmegaYiXingshenglong would be pretty much the same as Shaun of the Living (someone who also thinks rationally)
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
One god many forms and also
i see nothing evil in the bible
you can excersise your freedom of speech
when have our freedom to preach
i like being evil
im interested if you can name 4 groups of people who have been victimzed by religion that people give a damn about
Then why do Jehovah and Allah say not to worship the other Gods?
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i see nothing evil in the bible
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death (Leviticus 20:13)
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
you can excersise your freedom of speech
Unless some super-sensetive idiot finds it offensive, which always happens.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
when have our freedom to preach
Again, I’m not trying to abolish freedom of religion. The only demands I have for religion are;
1) Seperation of church and state
2) Do not preach the murder of innocent people
3) People should have the freedom to challenge religion like any other belief
4) Get your pseudoscience out of the science class
5) No more of this “tax exemption” bullshit
6) Let your children make their own choices
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i like being evil
Lots of people do, until they become the victim of it.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
im interested if you can name 4 groups of people who have been victimzed by religion that people give a damn about
Women, homosexuals, atheists, scientists and people who follow other religions.
Then why do Jehovah and Allah say not to worship the other Gods?
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i see nothing evil in the bible
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death (Leviticus 20:13)
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
you can excersise your freedom of speech
Unless some super-sensetive idiot finds it offensive, which always happens.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
when have our freedom to preach
Again, I’m not trying to abolish freedom of religion. The only demands I have for religion are;
1) Seperation of church and state
2) Do not preach the murder of innocent people
3) People should have the freedom to challenge religion like any other belief
4) Get your pseudoscience out of the science class
5) No more of this “tax exemption” bullshit
6) Let your children make their own choices
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i like being evil
Lots of people do, until they become the victim of it.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
im interested if you can name 4 groups of people who have been victimzed by religion that people give a damn about
Women, homosexuals, atheists, scientists and people who follow other religions.
sure glad im agnostic i can see from all point of views
people have a right to disagree just because scientist and atheist beleif are well more relistic doesnt mean people need to attack the less realistic beliefs
in england we dont have those religous nuts you have so thats why im symphasizing with christians
whats happend bad to gays? apart from no gay marriage
gay people should be able to get married but churches should have the right to denie gay
stores should have the right to denie gays
hospitals should have right to denie gay
why should they have to associate with a destructive abbhorant lifestyle
but still dont think gays should be denied their human rights
Then why do Jehovah and Allah say not to worship the other Gods?
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i see nothing evil in the bible
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death (Leviticus 20:13)
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
you can excersise your freedom of speech
Unless some super-sensetive idiot finds it offensive, which always happens.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
when have our freedom to preach
Again, I’m not trying to abolish freedom of religion. The only demands I have for religion are;
1) Seperation of church and state
2) Do not preach the murder of innocent people
3) People should have the freedom to challenge religion like any other belief
4) Get your pseudoscience out of the science class
5) No more of this “tax exemption” bullshit
6) Let your children make their own choices
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i like being evil
Lots of people do, until they become the victim of it.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
im interested if you can name 4 groups of people who have been victimzed by religion that people give a damn about
Women, homosexuals, atheists, scientists and people who follow other religions.
sure glad im agnostic i can see from all point of views
people have a right to disagree just because scientist and atheist beleif are well more relistic doesnt mean people need to attack the less realistic beliefs
in england we dont have those religous nuts you have so thats why im symphasizing with christians
whats happend bad to gays? apart from no gay marriage
gay people should be able to get married but churches should have the right to denie gay
stores should have the right to denie gays
hospitals should have right to denie gay
why should they have to associate with a destructive abbhorant lifestyle
but still dont think gays should be denied their human rights
gay people are one of the most hated minorities in America.
Why didn’t Jesus do any really big miracles, like make a mountain, to convince the whole world of his divinity?
“What’s the point of faith if there is proof?"
Then why do Jehovah and Allah say not to worship the other Gods?
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i see nothing evil in the bible
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death (Leviticus 20:13)
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
you can excersise your freedom of speech
Unless some super-sensetive idiot finds it offensive, which always happens.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
when have our freedom to preach
Again, I’m not trying to abolish freedom of religion. The only demands I have for religion are;
1) Seperation of church and state
2) Do not preach the murder of innocent people
3) People should have the freedom to challenge religion like any other belief
4) Get your pseudoscience out of the science class
5) No more of this “tax exemption” bullshit
6) Let your children make their own choices
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
i like being evil
Lots of people do, until they become the victim of it.
OmegaYiXingshenglong wrote:
im interested if you can name 4 groups of people who have been victimzed by religion that people give a damn about
Women, homosexuals, atheists, scientists and people who follow other religions.
sure glad im agnostic i can see from all point of views
people have a right to disagree just because scientist and atheist beleif are well more relistic doesnt mean people need to attack the less realistic beliefs
in england we dont have those religous nuts you have so thats why im symphasizing with christians
whats happend bad to gays? apart from no gay marriage
gay people should be able to get married but churches should have the right to denie gay
stores should have the right to denie gays
hospitals should have right to denie gay
why should they have to associate with a destructive abbhorant lifestyle
but still dont think gays should be denied their human rights
gay people are one of the most hated minorities in America.
well that sad i know what i said about gays wasnt nice but is my opinion
although i hate that they assume im religous if dont agree with them also they cry homophobe meaning im afraid of men wtf an also they think any one who hates them is gay in secret thats like saying the kkk are black people in secret or osama is really american in secret
or claustrophobia are really small spaces in secret
