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One reason why I still believe in God is because if I didn’t there would be an awful lot of coincidences. Like the size of our planet and it’s distance from the sun, it’s just right to support life. Even the location of our solar system in the galaxy etc.


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i’unno.

The chances of you being born were pretty slim, but it still happened. Sometimes things just work.


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By chance? Eh. Why does it matter?

Also, a fun chance type thing is,

Deal cards. The chances of you dealing the cards in the exact same way you just did is VERY unlikely, yet you just did it in one attempt.

I don’t believe we are here “by chance."

We are here because evolution guided this species in this way.


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I don’t see whats so coincidental about it,considering the sheer size of the universe.


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Ahhh..The ever present ego of man. Thinking that he is more important that he actually is...Considering the vastness of the universe the chances are quite good that a planet can form at the right distance and size to live in the “habitable zone”...


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The Surfer wrote: I don’t see whats so coincidental about it,considering the sheer size of the universe.



This, pretty much. There are, how many planets in the universe? Considering all the numbers, probabilities and whatnot, there would have to be a few planets at the very least with Earth-like qualities. If it wasn’t here, it’d probably be somewhere out there, basically.
Maybe it isn’t so much “by chance” per say as Indalecio said, as it can also depend on how you look at it.


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I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?


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Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


But why can’t life form on those inhabitable planets that can survive the heat/cold? To them, our planet would be too hot/cold, etc.


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Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


But why can’t life form on those inhabitable planets that can survive the heat/cold? To them, our planet would be too hot/cold, etc.



There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


But why can’t life form on those inhabitable planets that can survive the heat/cold? To them, our planet would be too hot/cold, etc.



There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


If said cell was to be changed genetically, there would be a chance.


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Game Master wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


But why can’t life form on those inhabitable planets that can survive the heat/cold? To them, our planet would be too hot/cold, etc.



There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


If said cell was to be changed genetically, there would be a chance.



Possibly, but at the same token, there are still specifications.
Either way, like I said before, as far as our solar system goes, the general theory is that there is not complex life on other planets besides Earth; smaller organisms aren’t confirmed or disproved because we haven’t explored EVERYWHERE yet.


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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


On our planet maybe, but on other planets, wouldn’t the rules be different?


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Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


On our planet maybe, but on other planets, wouldn’t the rules be different?



Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.


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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


On our planet maybe, but on other planets, wouldn’t the rules be different?



Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.


Yes, even complex creatures from other planets need something to survive, even if it isn’t “food”.
And there’s a 100% probability there are other alien races out there, because, as Einstein once said, the universe is INFINITE(along with humanity’s stupidity.)


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All alien races have adapted to their home planet, so if a planet doesn’t have food, they managed to survive without it.
Our laws do not necessarily apply to other planets. I don’t think NATURE would apply to other habitats.


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Game Master wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


On our planet maybe, but on other planets, wouldn’t the rules be different?



Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.


Yes, even complex creatures from other planets need something to survive, even if it isn’t “food”.
And there’s a 100% probability there are other alien races out there, because, as Einstein once said, the universe is INFINITE(along with humanity’s stupidity.)



I know there’s a probability of other alien races out in the universe; numbers mathematically say that it’s practically impossible that life doesn’t exist elsewhere and pretty improbable that there aren’t complex lifeforms as well. In our solar system on it’s own is different, though.


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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Game Master wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


But why can’t life form on those inhabitable planets that can survive the heat/cold? To them, our planet would be too hot/cold, etc.



There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


If said cell was to be changed genetically, there would be a chance.



Possibly, but at the same token, there are still specifications.
Either way, like I said before, as far as our solar system goes, the general theory is that there is not complex life on other planets besides Earth; smaller organisms aren’t confirmed or disproved because we haven’t explored EVERYWHERE yet.


Everywhere is impossible, because you can’t define infinite.
Infinity aside, it would take 40 years to get to Mars (if I’m not mistaken) with the fastet NASA rocket, so trips beyond Mars are not a possibility in this century. The only “sphere” we have ever landed in our entire human history, was the moon, and there obviously were no lives due to the lack of atmosphere.


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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Game Master wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


On our planet maybe, but on other planets, wouldn’t the rules be different?



Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.


Yes, even complex creatures from other planets need something to survive, even if it isn’t “food”.
And there’s a 100% probability there are other alien races out there, because, as Einstein once said, the universe is INFINITE(along with humanity’s stupidity.)



I know there’s a probability of other alien races out in the universe; numbers mathematically say that it’s practically impossible that life doesn’t exist elsewhere and pretty improbable that there aren’t complex lifeforms as well. In our solar system on it’s own is different, though.


Aye, I agree with you. In our Solar System, the only 2 planets that could possibly have some type of life form is Mars and Earth (Possibly Venus). I think they have already proven Mars has an amosphere and had water sometime in the past of our universe.


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Game Master wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Game Master wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?



We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.


But why can’t life form on those inhabitable planets that can survive the heat/cold? To them, our planet would be too hot/cold, etc.



There are certain specifications that life requires to develop. Cells can’t develop into life if it’s too hot or too cold.


If said cell was to be changed genetically, there would be a chance.



Possibly, but at the same token, there are still specifications.
Either way, like I said before, as far as our solar system goes, the general theory is that there is not complex life on other planets besides Earth; smaller organisms aren’t confirmed or disproved because we haven’t explored EVERYWHERE yet.


Everywhere is impossible, because you can’t define infinite.
Infinity aside, it would take 40 years to get to Mars (if I’m not mistaken) with the fastet NASA rocket, so trips beyond Mars are not a possibility in this century. The only “sphere” we have ever landed in our entire human history, was the moon, and there obviously were no lives due to the lack of atmosphere.



I meant everywhere in our solar system. >.> Meaning, more in-depth as far as Mars goes, and the other planets as well. We haven’t searched everywhere in our solar system.


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