Atheists, doyou believe that we are all here because of coincidence?

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.

Some organisms eat dirt and stuff. There’s dirt on plenty of planets. And polar bears, for example, can survive where it’s far too cold for humans, so there could just as well be some super heat-resistant dirt-eating things on Mercury.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.

Some organisms eat dirt and stuff. There’s dirt on plenty of planets. And polar bears, for example, can survive where it’s far too cold for humans, so there could just as well be some super heat-resistant dirt-eating things on Mercury.

Yeah, but a lack of atmosphere makes it impossible for any creature, terrestrial or extra, to survive.

Game Master wrote: Yeah, but a lack of atmosphere makes it impossible for any creature, terrestrial or extra, to survive.

You don’t know that. Do you know, for a fact, that it is absolutely impossible for any living creature to survive in a vacuum? I don’t think so, because I doubt you’ve seen every possible kind of living creature that ever could exist.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Not necessarily. >.> Organisms still require food, for example. Both the organism and the food needs to be able to survive; if it’s too hot or too cold that isn’t possible. Too cold and cells freeze, too hot and they boil.

Some organisms eat dirt and stuff. There’s dirt on plenty of planets. And polar bears, for example, can survive where it’s far too cold for humans, so there could just as well be some super heat-resistant dirt-eating things on Mercury.

Polar bears can’t live on Pluto. >.> But, there’s the initial problem of the cells themselves surviving. Polar bears have fur for insulation, developing cells don’t. If cells can’t develop, you can’t get a creature like a polar bear.

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Game Master wrote: Yeah, but a lack of atmosphere makes it impossible for any creature, terrestrial or extra, to survive.

You don’t know that. Do you know, for a fact, that it is absolutely impossible for any living creature to survive in a vacuum? I don’t think so, because I doubt you’ve seen every possible kind of living creature that ever could exist.

ANY creature must depend on some kind of air. We, earthlings, use Oxygen. Maybe there are creatures fond of Nytrogen. Maybe they survive with Helium. Maybe there are other scientific compounds to be discovered. But a creature can’t live in space.

Reef wrote: One reason why I still believe in God is because if I didn’t there would be an awful lot of coincidences. Like the size of our planet and it’s distance from the sun, it’s just right to support life. Even the location of our solar system in the galaxy etc.

The bolded part. I believe that is called the strawman fallacy, but I don’t believe you intentionally made it. A lot of the reasons scientists of different fields think we got here are in not in any way coincidental. For example, some people think we must have been put here because the Earth seems to be perfectly adapted to life, when in fact it is life that is adapted to the Earth.

One thing I believe in which not all atheists believe is determinism. From the second the first cause and effect happened when the universe started existing, it would cause a multitude of chain reactions that would forever determine future cause and effect. You might know some of this as the butterfly effect (the theory, not the movie). A down to Earth explanation I like to give is human adult behavior. How you will decide things when you are an adult are predestined when you are a child based on how you were treated and raised, possible traumas, etc. You are also effecting other people’s lives as you interact with them. Saying “hi” to a stranger and choosing not to say hello to them could drastically affect what happens to them in the future.

Also, your justification in why you believe in god i.e. because otherwise it would all be coincidence, can also be used to justify a believe that the universe is resting on the back of a giant turtle, or the flying spaghetti monster. So it’s not really a good argument.

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Game Master wrote: Yeah, but a lack of atmosphere makes it impossible for any creature, terrestrial or extra, to survive.

You don’t know that. Do you know, for a fact, that it is absolutely impossible for any living creature to survive in a vacuum? I don’t think so, because I doubt you’ve seen every possible kind of living creature that ever could exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

I wouldn’t count on any living creature being able to survive in a vacuum for their entire life though...

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Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Game Master wrote: Yeah, but a lack of atmosphere makes it impossible for any creature, terrestrial or extra, to survive.

You don’t know that. Do you know, for a fact, that it is absolutely impossible for any living creature to survive in a vacuum? I don’t think so, because I doubt you’ve seen every possible kind of living creature that ever could exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

I wouldn’t count on any living creature being able to survive in a vacuum for their entire life though...

“Some can survive temperatures of -273°C, close to absolute zero, temperatures as high as 151 °C (303 °F), 1,000 times more radiation than other animals such as humans, nearly a decade without water, and even the vacuum of space."
Keep in mind this creature is MICROSCOPIC, and yes, he wouldn’t survive LIVING in the vacuum.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Polar bears can’t live on Pluto. >.> But, there’s the initial problem of the cells themselves surviving. Polar bears have fur for insulation, developing cells don’t. If cells can’t develop, you can’t get a creature like a polar bear.

Didn’t say they could. So how come our cells don’t just die from the intense 90 degree F heat on Earth?

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Polar bears can’t live on Pluto. >.> But, there’s the initial problem of the cells themselves surviving. Polar bears have fur for insulation, developing cells don’t. If cells can’t develop, you can’t get a creature like a polar bear.

Didn’t say they could. So how come our cells don’t just die from the intense 90 degree F heat on Earth?

Because the cells do not evolve on the pure ground. Some cells evolve on wombs, some evolve on eggs, and some even evolve underwater.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Polar bears can’t live on Pluto. >.> But, there’s the initial problem of the cells themselves surviving. Polar bears have fur for insulation, developing cells don’t. If cells can’t develop, you can’t get a creature like a polar bear.

Didn’t say they could. So how come our cells don’t just die from the intense 90 degree F heat on Earth?

Compared to the four-and-a-half hundred degree Celsius temperature on Venus, 90 degrees on Earth is minor. >.> So, exactly what are you getting at?

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Polar bears can’t live on Pluto. >.> But, there’s the initial problem of the cells themselves surviving. Polar bears have fur for insulation, developing cells don’t. If cells can’t develop, you can’t get a creature like a polar bear.

Didn’t say they could. So how come our cells don’t just die from the intense 90 degree F heat on Earth?

One reason is because the cells on the surface of your skin are already dead.

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Reef wrote: One reason why I still believe in God is because if I didn’t there would be an awful lot of coincidences. Like the size of our planet and it’s distance from the sun, it’s just right to support life. Even the location of our solar system in the galaxy etc.

Ignorant statement. We evolved to suit the environment on this planet. You are basically calling the age old statistic argument.
You take a deck of cards shuffle them and put them face up 1 by 1, the statistical probability that you will get that order of cards is
That 1 out of 8 followed by 67 zero chance of that happening. Wow what a coincidence…

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No I don’t believe that were here because of coincidence and I’m atheist, I went school and learned some biochemistry and physics.


You’re thinking of complete and utter chaos when your thinking of coincidence.

The MASK wrote: No I don’t believe that were here because of coincidence and I’m atheist, I went school and learned some biochemistry and physics.


You’re thinking of complete and utter chaos when your thinking of coincidence.

I’m thinking about 2 known guys meet each other at a gay bar when I’m thinking about coincidence.

Game Master wrote:

The MASK wrote: No I don’t believe that were here because of coincidence and I’m atheist, I went school and learned some biochemistry and physics.


You’re thinking of complete and utter chaos when your thinking of coincidence.

I’m thinking about 2 known guys meet each other at a gay bar when I’m thinking about coincidence.

did they know each other?

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Game Master wrote:

The MASK wrote: No I don’t believe that were here because of coincidence and I’m atheist, I went school and learned some biochemistry and physics.


You’re thinking of complete and utter chaos when your thinking of coincidence.

I’m thinking about 2 known guys meet each other at a gay bar when I’m thinking about coincidence.

did they know each other?

Yeah, both have wives and are neighbours.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Compared to the four-and-a-half hundred degree Celsius temperature on Venus, 90 degrees on Earth is minor. >.> So, exactly what are you getting at?

My point being is that why can’t some thing evolve on Venus that can survive the heat? To that creature, Earth would be ridiculously cold.