Atheists, doyou believe that we are all here because of coincidence?

Reef wrote: One reason why I still believe in God is because if I didn’t there would be an awful lot of coincidences. Like the size of our planet and it’s distance from the sun, it’s just right to support life. Even the location of our solar system in the galaxy etc.

Life needs a lot of the right conditions to exist, but with trillions of planets, chances are there will be many of them with life, even if they are rare enough to be spread far away from Earth.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Compared to the four-and-a-half hundred degree Celsius temperature on Venus, 90 degrees on Earth is minor. >.> So, exactly what are you getting at?

My point being is that why can’t some thing evolve on Venus that can survive the heat? To that creature, Earth would be ridiculously cold.

Just because life can adapt to a wide variety of environments, doesn’t mean every envrionment can support life.

Shaun of the Living wrote: Just because life can adapt to a wide variety of environments, doesn’t mean every envrionment can support life.

I just don’t think you can apply Earth rules to other planets. I read something interesting about it in Nightfall...

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: Compared to the four-and-a-half hundred degree Celsius temperature on Venus, 90 degrees on Earth is minor. >.> So, exactly what are you getting at?

My point being is that why can’t some thing evolve on Venus that can survive the heat? To that creature, Earth would be ridiculously cold.

The cells that make up that creature would need to develop first. There is always a starting point. If it is some place extremely hot like Venus or cold like Pluto, the cell can’t survive long enough to adapt and eventually develop into a life form. It’s because our planet is moderate enough in temperature and has the conditions it has to allow those cells to adapt and evolve into a life form.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: The cells that make up that creature would need to develop first. There is always a starting point. If it is some place extremely hot like Venus or cold like Pluto, the cell can’t survive long enough to adapt and eventually develop into a life form. It’s because our planet is moderate enough in temperature and has the conditions it has to allow those cells to adapt and evolve into a life form.

But since it’s a different planet, why does it have to have the same starting point, huh?

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: The cells that make up that creature would need to develop first. There is always a starting point. If it is some place extremely hot like Venus or cold like Pluto, the cell can’t survive long enough to adapt and eventually develop into a life form. It’s because our planet is moderate enough in temperature and has the conditions it has to allow those cells to adapt and evolve into a life form.

But since it’s a different planet, why does it have to have the same starting point, huh?

Because the conditions still need to be met. It doesn’t mean it has to evolve the same way, but physics don’t change just because it’s another planet. If I got ripped apart on Pluto, it is just like getting ripped apart on earth. The physics don’t change themselves. It is just a different condition.

Judicator Aldaris wrote: Because the conditions still need to be met. It doesn’t mean it has to evolve the same way, but physics don’t change just because it’s another planet. If I got ripped apart on Pluto, it is just like getting ripped apart on earth. The physics don’t change themselves. It is just a different condition.

That’s not even the same thing.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Judicator Aldaris wrote: Because the conditions still need to be met. It doesn’t mean it has to evolve the same way, but physics don’t change just because it’s another planet. If I got ripped apart on Pluto, it is just like getting ripped apart on earth. The physics don’t change themselves. It is just a different condition.

That’s not even the same thing.

Water is the same on every planet. H2O.
Every element is the same outside of earth(in composition)

I don’t see why you are not getting this. Though I should point out there is signs of Mars once having life on it.

Anyway, the fact is the conditions need to be right for life to come about. Would you not agree? Even if you are a creationist it doesn’t matter. Life is still surviving on this planet. Just because 1 planet is hotter or colder than another planet doesn’t mean EVERY rule changes. Sorry.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: The cells that make up that creature would need to develop first. There is always a starting point. If it is some place extremely hot like Venus or cold like Pluto, the cell can’t survive long enough to adapt and eventually develop into a life form. It’s because our planet is moderate enough in temperature and has the conditions it has to allow those cells to adapt and evolve into a life form.

But since it’s a different planet, why does it have to have the same starting point, huh?

Because living organisms are made of cells. >.>

I should also point out, that maybe in other solar systems life is evolved differently and such. Maybe the planet is closer to a different type of sun or maybe there is more than one sun in the system.

I know what you’re getting at red, but the basic building blocks of life still have to follow rules.

So... Life can only form from one type of cell that can only survive on Earth?

Red_Calibur9 wrote: So... Life can only form from one type of cell that can only survive on Earth?

Nobody said that AT ALL. It just has to have the right conditions, and so far we only know of the conditions that exist on earth. But that DOESN’T mean the creatures of other planets look like us or think like us and such.

Judicator Aldaris wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: So... Life can only form from one type of cell that can only survive on Earth?

Nobody said that AT ALL. It just has to have the right conditions, and so far we only know of the conditions that exist on earth. But that DOESN’T mean the creatures of other planets look like us or think like us and such.

Okay. I’m saying a creature could appear on another planet that could tolerate intense heat/cold that we can’t.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Judicator Aldaris wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: So... Life can only form from one type of cell that can only survive on Earth?

Nobody said that AT ALL. It just has to have the right conditions, and so far we only know of the conditions that exist on earth. But that DOESN’T mean the creatures of other planets look like us or think like us and such.

Okay. I’m saying a creature could appear on another planet that could tolerate intense heat/cold that we can’t.

Could is the key word. It doesn’t mean it HAS to.

To get life started, all the evidence points to needing liquid water..

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote: To get life started, all the evidence points to needing liquid water..

But why?

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Gplex wrote: To get life started, all the evidence points to needing liquid water..

But why?

Liquid water is very good and dissolving things into it.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote: Liquid water is very good and dissolving things into it.

So is acid. Hey, Xenomorphs!

No.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Okay. I’m saying a creature could appear on another planet that could tolerate intense heat/cold that we can’t.

There are organisms on Earth that can live in thermal vents and solid ice. But being able to adapt to many different environments doesn’t mean life can thrive anywhere. It needs certain conditions and elements to arise first.

I still don’t see why God made all these empty planets. Makes me think that if a God existed he would be more interested stars and planets than life itself.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Gplex wrote: Liquid water is very good and dissolving things into it.

So is acid. Hey, Xenomorphs!

Do you pay attention in chemistry?

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: I don’t understand why there isn’t life on the other planets in our solar system. Someone mind explaining that to me?

We haven’t detected any because most of them are too far away. The ones that aren’t so far appear unsuitable for complex life but we’re still studying Mars for things, something I haven’t personally been keeping up on.
Besides that, general theory is because they’re either too hot, too cold, or their atmosphere is just shit. That’d probably only go so far to say that complex life doesn’t live on other planets in our solar system.

they have already found frozen microbes on mars