Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Neither Darwin nor any other evolutionist has ever called autism a species. Genetic differences does not automatically mean different species. That would be like saying a human with blue eyes is a different species from a human with brown eyes.
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By mutating they can be called evolution or mutant... so they mutant...???
I never hate someone or hating without reason... autism is mutating from us and by us are you considering they mutant...??? for me they can be healed by some method or something... evolution theory say that if you mutating and try adapting to something and somewhere so you can be called evolution... and the US... oh yes... they always make Islam look bad killing civilians but they never consider they terrorist but we never doing that... How many people has been killed by Ariel Sharon in Shatilla...???
keep that in mind...
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papamidnite420 wrote:
and i know all about ss powers and they r like the greek gods but the gold saints only have that gold armor which is givin by zeus...
so what are they...??? their genetic mutating afterall...???
*I’m talking in evolution theory not in humanity theory*
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papamidnite420 wrote:
and i know all about ss powers and they r like the greek gods but the gold saints only have that gold armor which is givin by zeus...
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Neither Darwin nor any other evolutionist has ever called autism a species. Genetic differences does not automatically mean different species. That would be like saying a human with blue eyes is a different species from a human with brown eyes.
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By mutating they can be called evolution or mutant... so they mutant...???
Evolution and mutation aren’t the same thing. Evolution has to happen over several generations.
Evolution and mutation aren’t the same thing. Evolution has to happen over several generations.
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Which mean they are mutant... their genetic is mutating right...???
papamidnite420 wrote:
and i know all about ss powers and they r like the greek gods but the gold saints only have that gold armor which is givin by zeus...
My daughter is Autistic and I began wondering a similar theory myself, after MONTHS of research on autism. I wouldn’t go as far to say that I believe Itachi’s format of displaying the theory, but I do feel Autism is somewhat of an evolution of humans.
Consider some facts: ADHD ran rampant for a decade and many of the traits of ADHD are actually seen in ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and many children on the “spectrum” are dx’d ADHD and ASD, plus SPD (Sensory Processing Disorder). ADHD is really the mild form of Autism and I feel all the aforementioned conditions are interrelated.
Nobody knows what causes ASD, but what we do know is that it so far has not been proven to be genetic, so the offensive comment from 1indainfinite couldn’t be further from the truth! In fact, many professionals feel genetics play a small role, if any, as they cannot isolate a gene responsible. They have found genes responsible for similar trait conditions, like Fragile X and Rhetts, but not AUTISM. However, almost all folks feel something environmental is at minimum a trigger, if not the cause! Whether vaccinations, pesticides, TELEVISION, WiFi, etc. are the cause or all is yet and may never be determined.
What I know as a parent: I have a 2 year old that can functionally use a computer and almost all electronic communication items after one or two times of being taught! In fact, many non-verbal autistics are provided electronic speech devices to unlock a highly intelligent child into the World! It’s amazing to witness!
Given the above, I often wonder if ASD is the next evolution of mankind? Given our World and how it is now functioning we will eventually all be isolated within out homes and barricaded from our community anyways! Look at the time spent with in-home entertainment and how we now communicate more with technology then any other method...email, telephones, webcams, virtual Worlds and gaming, etc.
Now, what is the ONE common denominator of autistic kids? They are visually taught, function best with electronics, and often use electronics to communicate b/c their areas of deficit are in SOCIAL and COMMUNICATION SKILLS! In fact, that is how ADHD and Autism are differentiated...Social and communication Skills! My dd is 2 y/o and knows her numbers to 15, alphabet, and is now starting to count in Spanish! She learned this ALL through her TV programs! In fact, when I attempted to teach them 1:1 she wouldn’t grasp the concept. Put it on TV and it becomes functional! All other skills taught she has processing difficulties with, EXCEPT those from TV! Something in the Autistic brain is switched to have input and stimulation in a different format! The wires are crossed!
In the very near future you will find almost all jobs being done by telecommuting due to gas prices and if the energy crisis continues in this downward spiral, society will not be able to afford to socialize like we do now! Due to our cultural evolution to date, it’s highly unlikely that society will regress back to the Western days.
So, provided the above our society is headed towards a non-physical community that communicates primarily electronically, if not 100%. So, who would survive in this community? The Autistics!
I wish more people would stop approaching Autism as a disability and as though something is majorily wrong, but that these folks are just different! Maybe it’s us that need to adapt and not them! Maybe their form of communication would be more productive if we tried to learn it and help them adapt it into their environment, instead of forcing our ways on them!
Just late night thoughts of a Mother trying to make sense of a childs needs!
Mom of Auti wrote:
My daughter is Autistic and I began wondering a similar theory myself, after MONTHS of research on autism. I wouldn’t go as far to say that I believe Itachi’s format of displaying the theory, but I do feel Autism is somewhat of an evolution of humans.
Consider some facts: ADHD ran rampant for a decade and many of the traits of ADHD are actually seen in ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and many children on the “spectrum” are dx’d ADHD and ASD, plus SPD (Sensory Processing Disorder). ADHD is really the mild form of Autism and I feel all the aforementioned conditions are interrelated.
Nobody knows what causes ASD, but what we do know is that it so far has not been proven to be genetic, so the offensive comment from 1indainfinite couldn’t be further from the truth! In fact, many professionals feel genetics play a small role, if any, as they cannot isolate a gene responsible. They have found genes responsible for similar trait conditions, like Fragile X and Rhetts, but not AUTISM. However, almost all folks feel something environmental is at minimum a trigger, if not the cause! Whether vaccinations, pesticides, TELEVISION, WiFi, etc. are the cause or all is yet and may never be determined.
What I know as a parent: I have a 2 year old that can functionally use a computer and almost all electronic communication items after one or two times of being taught! In fact, many non-verbal autistics are provided electronic speech devices to unlock a highly intelligent child into the World! It’s amazing to witness!
Given the above, I often wonder if ASD is the next evolution of mankind? Given our World and how it is now functioning we will eventually all be isolated within out homes and barricaded from our community anyways! Look at the time spent with in-home entertainment and how we now communicate more with technology then any other method...email, telephones, webcams, virtual Worlds and gaming, etc.
Now, what is the ONE common denominator of autistic kids? They are visually taught, function best with electronics, and often use electronics to communicate b/c their areas of deficit are in SOCIAL and COMMUNICATION SKILLS! In fact, that is how ADHD and Autism are differentiated...Social and communication Skills! My dd is 2 y/o and knows her numbers to 15, alphabet, and is now starting to count in Spanish! She learned this ALL through her TV programs! In fact, when I attempted to teach them 1:1 she wouldn’t grasp the concept. Put it on TV and it becomes functional! All other skills taught she has processing difficulties with, EXCEPT those from TV! Something in the Autistic brain is switched to have input and stimulation in a different format! The wires are crossed!
In the very near future you will find almost all jobs being done by telecommuting due to gas prices and if the energy crisis continues in this downward spiral, society will not be able to afford to socialize like we do now! Due to our cultural evolution to date, it’s highly unlikely that society will regress back to the Western days.
So, provided the above our society is headed towards a non-physical community that communicates primarily electronically, if not 100%. So, who would survive in this community? The Autistics!
I wish more people would stop approaching Autism as a disability and as though something is majorily wrong, but that these folks are just different! Maybe it’s us that need to adapt and not them! Maybe their form of communication would be more productive if we tried to learn it and help them adapt it into their environment, instead of forcing our ways on them!
Just late night thoughts of a Mother trying to make sense of a childs needs!
Mom of Auti wrote:
My daughter is Autistic and I began wondering a similar theory myself, after MONTHS of research on autism. I wouldn’t go as far to say that I believe Itachi’s format of displaying the theory, but I do feel Autism is somewhat of an evolution of humans.
Consider some facts: ADHD ran rampant for a decade and many of the traits of ADHD are actually seen in ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and many children on the “spectrum” are dx’d ADHD and ASD, plus SPD (Sensory Processing Disorder). ADHD is really the mild form of Autism and I feel all the aforementioned conditions are interrelated.
Nobody knows what causes ASD, but what we do know is that it so far has not been proven to be genetic, so the offensive comment from 1indainfinite couldn’t be further from the truth! In fact, many professionals feel genetics play a small role, if any, as they cannot isolate a gene responsible. They have found genes responsible for similar trait conditions, like Fragile X and Rhetts, but not AUTISM. However, almost all folks feel something environmental is at minimum a trigger, if not the cause! Whether vaccinations, pesticides, TELEVISION, WiFi, etc. are the cause or all is yet and may never be determined.
What I know as a parent: I have a 2 year old that can functionally use a computer and almost all electronic communication items after one or two times of being taught! In fact, many non-verbal autistics are provided electronic speech devices to unlock a highly intelligent child into the World! It’s amazing to witness!
Given the above, I often wonder if ASD is the next evolution of mankind? Given our World and how it is now functioning we will eventually all be isolated within out homes and barricaded from our community anyways! Look at the time spent with in-home entertainment and how we now communicate more with technology then any other method...email, telephones, webcams, virtual Worlds and gaming, etc.
Now, what is the ONE common denominator of autistic kids? They are visually taught, function best with electronics, and often use electronics to communicate b/c their areas of deficit are in SOCIAL and COMMUNICATION SKILLS! In fact, that is how ADHD and Autism are differentiated...Social and communication Skills! My dd is 2 y/o and knows her numbers to 15, alphabet, and is now starting to count in Spanish! She learned this ALL through her TV programs! In fact, when I attempted to teach them 1:1 she wouldn’t grasp the concept. Put it on TV and it becomes functional! All other skills taught she has processing difficulties with, EXCEPT those from TV! Something in the Autistic brain is switched to have input and stimulation in a different format! The wires are crossed!
In the very near future you will find almost all jobs being done by telecommuting due to gas prices and if the energy crisis continues in this downward spiral, society will not be able to afford to socialize like we do now! Due to our cultural evolution to date, it’s highly unlikely that society will regress back to the Western days.
So, provided the above our society is headed towards a non-physical community that communicates primarily electronically, if not 100%. So, who would survive in this community? The Autistics!
I wish more people would stop approaching Autism as a disability and as though something is majorily wrong, but that these folks are just different! Maybe it’s us that need to adapt and not them! Maybe their form of communication would be more productive if we tried to learn it and help them adapt it into their environment, instead of forcing our ways on them!
Just late night thoughts of a Mother trying to make sense of a childs needs!
Provided the world becomes more technologically advanced. If society breaks down from things such as environmental damage, war, a global pandemic or a natural disaster I would doubt an autistic persons ability to cope.
Example: My brother is Autistic. Autism is a spectrum disorder. There’s Asperger’s Syndrome, Mild, Moderate, and Severe.
Asperger’s is very high functioning, to a point that many people have it and go their whole lives not knowing it.
Mild is when there’s mental developmental delay. It’s noticeable in the speech, mannerism, etc. With work, it can be possible to work around this impairment and function to an extent, but never fully functional.
Moderate is the level my brother has. Many moderately Autistic people are never able to speak. Some have to learn sign language because they aren’t physically able to form words. The aren’t able to communicate well, and have limited control of their body and are subject to compulsive behavior. They can never,EVER, have a normal life. Without my mother and myself, there’s no way my brother could live.
Severe is the worst level. At this point, there is no chance of becoming part of society. They aren’t capable of communicate at all, they’re pretty much limited to yelps and screams. They have pretty much no control over their bodies. They can have random fits of extreme violence for no apparent reason. They will never be able to be in society.
Hi, I am a first time poster, and probably last, but I was surfing the internet to see what people’s thoughts of autism as a possible evolution when I came across this topic. I appreciate one this poster, Maggot Face, was trying to say but something bugged me, a misconception that has the plagued mankind and only leads to our degrading.
He said, quoted “Moderate...they can never,EVER, have a normal life. Without my mother and myself, there’s no way my brother could live."
I myself was born, diagnosed at 18 months, at least Moderate if not worse along with some mild tourettes thrown in. My family was told the very same thing and the Child Study Team wished to throw me into an institution rather than pay for services. My mom took them to court for five years and won, but nevertheless she had to pay and teach me with the help of my older brother. I had to be taught sign language and for awhile people thought I was deaf, but I finally talked at 4 and I entered regular school. I had a plethora of therapists including one great speech therapist, a couple Physical ones, an Art one (My mom tried everything), several writing, more speech, and many others. Basically I had no childhood, every minute was therapy and they called my mom horrible things, told her to give up I would never be anything.
I stopped therapy when I entered the local public high school at 14. No one knew I was not neurotypical except those I told for I wanted to be judged on everyone else’s level, there would be no lowered standards, no freebees.
OmniINFINITE wrote:
Being autistic actually has a lot survival benefits you don’t have to work for your own food fuctioning humans wait on you hand and foot. People who contain this gene get to live and have more kids further producing more autistic children Itachi you kind of sort of proved evolution.
I gave my valedictorian speech a week ago to a standing ovation, people laughed at my jokes, cheered when I made the appropriate comments and maybe three in the whole crowd, my parents and my younger brother, knew I was autistic. I was and still am constantly complimented on that speech. This past weekend I ran at the high school track Nationals along with my fellow All-State Champion 4x400m relay team members. This Fall I will attend Cornell University’s College of Engineering as a John McMullen Scholar (the incoming students into engineering who have the most potential to contribute the college and the world). I plan on eventually going to Lockheed and leading mankind’s expansion into space.
So the moral of the story is to all those who said “They can never,EVER, have a normal life." your right, I cannot have a normal life, I have too much potential to work a normal 9-5 job. I have and will continue to live an extraordinary life one in which I will become more successful than those who said I could never succeed and the kicker is, my life will be devoted to helping all of humanity, not just myself.
If handled correctly Autism can be the greatest gift to mankind as long as mankind is willing to fight for it like my mother did and those with Autism are willing to work like no other.
If you’re wondering I am not savant unless you would call having a great work ethic a savant like ability
If your wondering, my mom’s and speech therapist therapy was called discreet trials, an example: When I was trying to learn sign language, I pretty much refused to, but I really like grapes. So my older brother would sign grape and my mom would give him one. I would scream and throw temper tantrums for the grape, but I would not get it. Eventually I gave in and signed for grape and my mom gave it to me.
Basically the therapy was my mom and my speech therapist had to be more stubborn than me, and as I am sure many know it is hard to be more stubborn than someone with Autism and even though my mom was insulted and was told she was abusing me the therapy worked as the results show.
Just to clarify my mother is the nicest and greatest person in the world, she would not hurt a fly.
Yes, I know 1 autistic person, who I thought would never be able to operate in the real world on his own, but he proved me wrong.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
I’d like to point out that the example Mbc2k is far from the norm based on what I’ve seen. I’ve seen many dozens of children diagnosed with moderate autism, many of them nearly adults. Most of them had been in therapy their whole lives. They can’t form a coherent sentence. They can’t control their bodily movements. One girl has to constantly carry around a rag that can be put in her mouth so she doesn’t chew up her own mouth. They can’t even make eye contact. Compared to them, my brother is extremely high-functioning, and he often has compulsive motions and has difficulty communicating verbally.
From what he said, Mbc2k sounds more like he had mild autism, not moderate. Mild autism and Asperger’s Syndrome are often overcome and the individuals lead fulfilling, productive lives. That’s not usually the case for the moderate range, and almost never for the severe range.
Mbc2k, it’s great that you’ve had so much success. Your case, however, is an exception, and to imply that autism is just a hurdle that can be overcome by effort is insulting and wrong. Most people with autism aren’t as lucky as you.
genetic mutation and adaptation are two different things... both of which are keys to evolution.
evolution doesn’t always have to be beneficial. look at male pattern baldness (who the hell does that help)mutations like green or blue eyes which evolved from brown a long time ago doesn’t benefit anybody except statistically people find blue and green eyes more attractive (and weird enough wild animals find the color blue to be attractive as well... not important though)point being evolution isn’t always progressive.
It also depends on the environment... after all evolution needs a stimulus to work. and that stimuli can be good or bad but regardless we adapt, mutate, and evolve to change. It sometimes be the right time to evolve or the wrong time. It depends on the genetic shift and even the drastic or subtle changes in the environment.
Alright this is my last post and you can believe or not that is your problem. I did not have Aspergers, or mild. I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH LOW FUNCTIONING AUTISM. I completely bit off my lip they had to stitch it back on. I had compulsion all the time, would stand still run around in circles and flap my arms. I still have the compulsion to do so but I control it. Yes many people have therapy their whole lives and it doesn’t work, but just because it is therapy does not mean it was the right therapy. I was so bad the Child Study Team did not want to waste the money by putting me through therapy the rest of my life and taking care of me. They wanted to throw me away into an institution.
My mother did not believe that their was no hope for low-function autism, why would God do such a thing to so many children. So she did research and found experimental and controversial ways of therapy. People called it abuse. She never lowered the bar, she never said its okay he is autistic so he can’t do it. She gave me the same standards every normal kid is given and I had to meet them, no buts about it.
The problem is a very strong prejudice, one that I will fight once I am more established. When the support a child is receiving is constantly downgrading their potential in life, constantly telling them they can’t make it they won’t no matter what their mind is. If a neurotypical child was given the same therapy an autistic child is, I would bet money they would not be able to function in society either.
I’m done, believe it or not that is you problem now. When I’m older I’ll make it my problem.
And baldness can be evolution because we don’t use our hair anymore to protect from the weather, we use hats and umbrella. Therefore hair’s only use is for aesthetics, and many women find many bald men attractive so there is no more use for hair, therefore no more need to waste the energy in growing it.
I came on this thread looking to see if anyone shares my hunch about autism. I’m married to an autistic man. We did not breed
Human capacity for abstract thought has given us the most successful survival advantage; we can think our way out of and avoid troubles unlike any other creature. Gaia /life / god / whatever likes abstract consciousness and has rewarded it. However, this has proceeded too far, IMO, and the natural “check” on it is showing up all over. There are myriad examples of this, but the kernel is that we are no longer biologically viable.
What I mean by this is that our abstract thought has become so electrically “thick” in our brains that we are stuck in a haze of feedback. The result is an inability to survive. We don’t know when we’re hungry and actually experience involuntary appetite suppression through abstract thought (being “grossed out”, for example. Things that are not food (cheese puffs, for example) are accepted and desired as food by the abstract thought surrounding them (marketing, primarily). This is just the “food” example - think about it (haha) and you will locate examples of abstraction overriding biology in every aspect of human existence - vaccines, mentioned here, are another example.
We shouldn’t know that we are going to die, but we do, and that was the “point of no return” for the consciousness experiment. We’ll do anything, anything! to avoid that reality. More than half of humanity actually believes that we’ll just keep on living without our bodies. It’s not even considered a strange idea. Just think about that.
Autism has been described as “extreme male-ness." It is the extreme cleaving of the brain’s hemispheres, minimized connective tissue. Great opportunity for ungrounded abstraction, autism. Minimized self-awareness, biological sensation, and social cues, maximized freestyle abstraction. Rainman and Dr Spock - the “human computer." Have a cheese puff awhile, you may be hungry but you can’t know for sure.
The biological ground (earth / life / Gaia / the body: “temple of the soul” / whatever) cannot support this sort of existence. We’ve minimized our deaths and maximized abstract consciousness past the tipping point. Fewer tigers, more humans; fewer berries, more humans; fewer trees, more humans... More autistic people, fewer “normal” people. Look at the explosion of autism, far more certain cases than can be explained by “increased diagnosis."
Autism is rewarded in modern society: computer brains are good computer users. No idea is too wacky to market, just look at Japan... “Individualism” (fear of death quaintly marketed for the average human) clamors for “normal” life for the autistic and every other handicap. We deny reality and accommodate. It’s the “human” thing to do. So what if there are too many of us and the air is thick with pollution... everyone has a right to breathe and breed.
Our evolution of abstract consciousness is on a one-way highway to extinction.
Religion 
, for example. Things that are not food (cheese puffs, for example) are accepted and desired as food by the abstract thought surrounding them (marketing, primarily). This is just the “food” example - think about it (haha) and you will locate examples of abstraction overriding biology in every aspect of human existence - vaccines, mentioned here, are another example.
