Do Smokers go to heaven?

It is a perfectly logical question, I made this topic a while ago but I can’t find it so I remade it.

idk if these guys here go to heaven


i dont even know if NORMAL zombies go to either hell or heaven!!

Answer the question.

srsly?

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

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Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

yeah, i figured. i was more re-directing to my post in there.

kev360 wrote: two main points....

first off, i think this question is born from ignorance of the bible...according to the christian religion (and reality), everyone sins (romans 3:23: “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." ). so, by your logic, heaven will be completely empty. no one will be there. everyone will be in hell because everyone has sinned, be it just a white lie, or be it murder. everyone has done something wrong.

thats where the significance of the religion comes in. through jesus’s blood, God can ignore this sin, and can view us as perfect, even though we aren’t (john 3:16: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.)

so, whether or not smoking is a sin is pretty irrelevant. either way, you can get to heaven. is smoking a sin? thats something else altogether. i guess under your logic of it being self destructive, yeah, it probably would be a sin. ((1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) “[19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body." );(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] “Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God&'s temple is sacred, and you are that temple." ))

second, sean, you have to remember what you are quoting. revelations is freaking trippy. its half metaphors. probably more then half. and, it really isn’t clear what they are talking about when they mention the 144,000. but, it does imply that they are blameless, which implies that they are something special. but, it never mentions them being the only ones who are being saved.

*steps back and watches as athiests come to tear this thread apart.*

Funny that atheists didn’t really tear the thread apart. Infact it was barely touched.

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

Crimson_Blade wrote: Answer the question.

i did:
smokers dont go to heaven
becuz they are zombies
neither does the hunter or the tank
but i think the boomers can go to heaven :/

i mean,they didnt comitted any sins,they just puke on ppl

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

And I walk to the corner store knowing I could be shot down and possibly killed

same deal with cigarettes

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

And I walk to the corner store knowing I could be shot down and possibly killed

same deal with cigarettes

But that wouldn’t be suicide, that would be murder that you can blame someone for. Cigarettes aren’t going to murder you, you just use them to murder yourself.

That’s like calling someone who jumps into a wheat thresher who doesn’t want to die not suicidal. He is suicidal because he jumped into a wheat thresher.

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

And I walk to the corner store knowing I could be shot down and possibly killed

same deal with cigarettes

But that wouldn’t be suicide, that would be murder that you can blame someone for. Cigarettes aren’t going to murder you, you just use them to murder yourself.

That’s like calling someone who jumps into a wheat thresher who doesn’t want to die not suicidal. He is suicidal because he jumped into a wheat thresher.

If I go to a corner store where I know alot of bloods hang around and I had on all blue. Most likly I would get beat the fuck up or die from stabbing, gun shots, etc............

this is equal to this...............

I buy a pack of cigarettes for the first time but Im just going to smoke 1 pack. Its not like I would get addicted or something. But I do ger addicted and later in life ends up having a cancer.


There both foolish but you don’t go to hell for something such as this.

and NO ONE (besides God) here can say who’s going to hell.

Only God decides that.

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

And I walk to the corner store knowing I could be shot down and possibly killed

same deal with cigarettes

But that wouldn’t be suicide, that would be murder that you can blame someone for. Cigarettes aren’t going to murder you, you just use them to murder yourself.

That’s like calling someone who jumps into a wheat thresher who doesn’t want to die not suicidal. He is suicidal because he jumped into a wheat thresher.

If I go to a corner store where I know alot of bloods hang around and I had on all blue. Most likly I would get beat the fuck up or die from stabbing, gun shots, etc............

this is equal to this...............

I buy a pack of cigarettes for the first time but Im just going to smoke 1 pack. Its not like I would get addicted or something. But I do ger addicted and later in life ends up having a cancer.


There both foolish but you don’t go to hell for something such as this.

and NO ONE (besides God) here can say who’s going to hell.

Only God decides that.

Actually it’s the people who wrote the bible who decide who is going to hell or not. And yes I did just say “the people who wrote the bible”, to me it is just a work of ancient fiction.

And if you are going to a corner store where “gangsta’s” hang out then obviously it is a tad more dangerous than your average corner store.

And why would you smoke one pack in the first place if you don’t want to take it up? It is your fault if you know smoking is addictive yet you smoke one pack and get addicted.

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

And I walk to the corner store knowing I could be shot down and possibly killed

same deal with cigarettes

But that wouldn’t be suicide, that would be murder that you can blame someone for. Cigarettes aren’t going to murder you, you just use them to murder yourself.

That’s like calling someone who jumps into a wheat thresher who doesn’t want to die not suicidal. He is suicidal because he jumped into a wheat thresher.

If I go to a corner store where I know alot of bloods hang around and I had on all blue. Most likly I would get beat the fuck up or die from stabbing, gun shots, etc............

this is equal to this...............

I buy a pack of cigarettes for the first time but Im just going to smoke 1 pack. Its not like I would get addicted or something. But I do ger addicted and later in life ends up having a cancer.


There both foolish but you don’t go to hell for something such as this.

and NO ONE (besides God) here can say who’s going to hell.

Only God decides that.

Actually it’s the people who wrote the bible who decide who is going to hell or not. And yes I did just say “the people who wrote the bible”, to me it is just a work of ancient fiction.

And if you are going to a corner store where “gangsta’s” hang out then obviously it is a tad more dangerous than your average corner store.

And why would you smoke one pack in the first place if you don’t want to take it up? It is your fault if you know smoking is addictive yet you smoke one pack and get addicted.

1. Im am a Chritian and I also think people wrote the bible...............duh,lol.

2. And no they dont decide that at all. Im not going to debate about this statement because I dont like debating with Atheist who are not open minded.

3. lol that is an Average Corner store in a large city in America ...........
Where do you live?

4. Exactly my point of foolishness. and I might do it to be cool, peer pressure, etc.............

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote:

Crimson_Blade wrote:

Supra wrote: srsly?

Think about it. Smoking kills people but the people who smoke willingly continue smoking, if they die of a disease that is related to smoking is that not suicide? And isn’t suicide a sin, a sin leading to hell?

lol

 do you want a serious answer?

Yes actually.

Oh and Kevin I might as well keep this one going rather than bump the other one.

No they dont.

Its an addiction.................Do you kno anyone addicted to cigarettes?

They dont think it will happen to them, or Its there last one, or one wont hurt.

Its not.............Ima keep smokin until I die because I want to die

But they do start smoking most of the time knowing that it could lead to their death.

And I walk to the corner store knowing I could be shot down and possibly killed

same deal with cigarettes

But that wouldn’t be suicide, that would be murder that you can blame someone for. Cigarettes aren’t going to murder you, you just use them to murder yourself.

That’s like calling someone who jumps into a wheat thresher who doesn’t want to die not suicidal. He is suicidal because he jumped into a wheat thresher.

If I go to a corner store where I know alot of bloods hang around and I had on all blue. Most likly I would get beat the fuck up or die from stabbing, gun shots, etc............

this is equal to this...............

I buy a pack of cigarettes for the first time but Im just going to smoke 1 pack. Its not like I would get addicted or something. But I do ger addicted and later in life ends up having a cancer.


There both foolish but you don’t go to hell for something such as this.

and NO ONE (besides God) here can say who’s going to hell.

Only God decides that.

Actually it’s the people who wrote the bible who decide who is going to hell or not. And yes I did just say “the people who wrote the bible”, to me it is just a work of ancient fiction.

And if you are going to a corner store where “gangsta’s” hang out then obviously it is a tad more dangerous than your average corner store.

And why would you smoke one pack in the first place if you don’t want to take it up? It is your fault if you know smoking is addictive yet you smoke one pack and get addicted.

1. Im am a Chritian and I also think people wrote the bible...............duh,lol.

2. And no they dont decide that at all. Im not going to debate about this statement because I dont like debating with Atheist who are not open minded.

3. lol that is an Average Corner store in a large city in America ...........
Where do you live?

4. Exactly my point of foolishness. and I might do it to be cool, peer pressure, etc.............

1. The Christian belief is that God made the bible.

2. Well then good luck finding one who is. I am close minded to things that don’t exist. It’s like you actually thinking about I don’t know that Peter Pan exists or something.

3. You already know. I LIVE IN TEH OUTBACK WITH KANGAROOOS!

4. No matter what reason you do it for you still can’t escape the fact you know that smoking can kill you.