Do you have an open mind?

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Gplex wrote:
My actions? How are you judging my actions? Why don’t you just read what I am typing?

I am equating your actions with what you type.

Gplex wrote: I said strawman, then highlight part is the part I claimed, not your strawman version.

Okay, but at the same time you did this, so let me requote you:

Gplex wrote:

King Boo wrote: I have an open mind.

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King Boo wrote: Even doesn’t exists, evil is just the absence of God.

Clearly you dont.

That is a closed-minded remark. Just because someone believes that does not make them closed-minded, you are obviously trained somehow to believe that anyone who accepts God in any way, shape, or form is closed-minded.

Gplex wrote: Wow prejudice, I suppose you are right, I put them in the same category as the flat earth believers. “People to laugh at” category.

Then you are closed-minded.

Gplex wrote: No. That’s another strawman. I said jumping to conclusions without investigation. Most Christians are closed minded. Every try to convince a Christian that sai baba has far more witness of his miracles then jesus and you will get a very different attitude compared to the unquestioning acceptance of jesus magic tricks. A clear example of how closed minded they/you are.

Sweeping generalization. See, I can point out logical fallacies too. Most Christians are not closed-minded, but some are. I know some that are not, and some that are sometimes and not other times.

Gplex wrote: Fail. Recognizing closed minded behavior doesn’t mean you are closed minded.

Oh, a strawman from you! I’m excited now.

You are very right, recognizing closed-minded behavior is not closed-minded. In fact, it is open-minded, if anything. But, you look at Christians as a closed-minded group of people, and make comments that demonstrate this, such as those towards King Boo.

Gplex wrote: Yes, I skim through you post, be more direct, I would also like a reason why you believe my statement/s are stupid.

I think people who post a video talking about open-mindedness and then contradicting it early in the same thread is stupid.

Gplex wrote: I don’t know what you are responding to, that is why I want you to quote them. WTF.

Gplex wrote: What are you a little girl? How else am I suppose to respond to a clearly stupid remark? If I just called you an idiot, which was my first thought after reading your post, 9 times out of 10, people just assume that I’m being a dick for no reason.

See this? You wonder why people treat you the way they do? You shouldn’t.

Gplex wrote: Stop putting words in my mouth.

I asked you a question because it seemed like you were talking about selective logic. I assume that you are always using it, as logical people should, and you should be able to at least explain any logic you can recall that you used.

Gplex wrote: To describe all the logic I have use in my life would be a very large task. But I do want them to show what kind of person they really are.
You have shown me that you like to pretend that what I say = what you want me to mean.

It’s more you say what I think you mean.

Gplex wrote: I expect more from people, I actually feel let down.
I don’t straight away call someone stupid – even though I think you made a lot of stupid claims – I will explain to them why they are wrong, or how their beliefs don’t make sense, those who decided to ignore what I say, or come up with some fallacy to call back on, and will not listen – I eventually call them stupid.

This sounds a lot like what you’ve been doing to me. If you are unsure, in any way of what I’m claiming, it’s that you are not open-minded, and that I don’t like how you demean other people’s intelligence, but I think you knew the latter from our arguments before.

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Gplex wrote:
lol, that seems so much more like the “open mind” assertion.

Debating with rage seems to go alot like this debate.

Yeah, I would always preach that Christianity, or any religion, should be a personal affair. But I never criticized any atheists for not believing or finding it ridiculous to believe. What I had a problem with, which was my own prejudices from before, was the heckling that religious minded people would get simply because they believe. Although, I don’t perfectly recall everything I said, but I see no problem with accepting something such as any god or gods as long as you aren’t forcing such beliefs on others, i.e. a personal belief.

But, I don’t see our argument here is similar to this.

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RageOverdose wrote: I am equating your actions with what you type.
Okay, but at the same time you did this, so let me requote you:

Gplex wrote:

King Boo wrote: I have an open mind.

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King Boo wrote: Even doesnt exists, evil is just the absence of God.

Clearly you dont.

See that! Now I know what you are talking about! I not sure why you think I have a supernatural ability to automatically know what post you are talking about.

RageOverdose wrote: That is a closed-minded remark. Just because someone believes that does not make them closed-minded, you are obviously trained somehow to believe that anyone who accepts God in any way, shape, or form is closed-minded.

Im not even going to explain this. If you cannot see why the statement evil is just the absence of God is not closed minded, then I cant help you.
Again, this is a strawman. Ill put it in terms you can understand. You are misrepresenting my position. Accepting that a god did anything in this universe without examining the cause of that event is a closed minded act.

RageOverdose wrote:

Gplex wrote: Wow prejudice, I suppose you are right, I put them in the same category as the flat earth believers. - People to laugh at category.

Then you are closed-minded.

You dont understand what a closed mind is. WTF. I have been explaining this too you over and over. This is like calling me closed minded, because everyone I have ever run into eats food. So I would expect everyone else I run into eats food too. But I would accept that someday, someone I run unto might get their energy some other way. Every Christian I have run into makes me laugh, because of their willingness to ignore evidence, or jump to conclusions. So far I have not been let down. But I will conceived that someday, a Christian (or religious person) will surprise me.

RageOverdose wrote: Sweeping generalization. See, I can point out logical fallacies too. Most Christians are not closed-minded, but some are. I know some that are not, and some that are sometimes and not other times.

My experience has lead me to the conclusion that most Christians are closed minded. As proof, I will ask you to bring any Christian here and let me grill them.

Gplex wrote: Fail. Recognizing closed minded behavior doesnt mean you are closed minded.

RageOverdose wrote: Oh, a strawman from you! Im excited now.

Now watch this, Im going to re quote you.

RageOverdose wrote: They make snap conclusions about someone not believing because of lack of support as closed-minded, but that in and of itself is closed-minded because a prejudice only shows you have a pre-defined thought of how someone is based upon the group the belong to

This is exactly what you tried to say to me. Recognizing closed minded behavior and pointing it out does not make you closed minded. Look up the meaning of strawman!

RageOverdose wrote: You are very right, recognizing closed-minded behavior is not closed-minded. In fact, it is open-minded, if anything. But, you look at Christians as a closed-minded group of people, and make comments that demonstrate this, such as those towards King Boo.

Big rant just to find out you agree with me. Another strawman. I know every Christian I have run into is closed minded. I may generalize, but I will accept that their maybe a Christian out there who will surprise me.
King Boo comment was closed minded! WTF

RageOverdose wrote: I think people who post a video talking about open-mindedness and then contradicting it early in the same thread is stupid.

Quote me.

RageOverdose wrote:

Gplex wrote: What are you a little girl? How else am I suppose to respond to a clearly stupid remark? If I just called you an idiot, which was my first thought after reading your post, 9 times out of 10, people just assume that Im being a dick for no reason.

See this? You wonder why people treat you the way they do? You shouldnt.

You mean my ability to realize his post was stupid is closed minded? You dont understand what closed minded is! Just because I have the ability to come to conclusions quickly using reasoned logic does not make me closed minded!
Fine. If you think this behavior is closed minded, explain it to me, because I have no idea how you are putting this together.

RageOverdose wrote: I asked you a question because it seemed like you were talking about selective logic. I assume that you are always using it, as logical people should, and you should be able to at least explain any logic you can recall that you used.

Hmm what should I eat, those pears, or the ice cream in the fridge. - I usually dont choose the logical choice.

RageOverdose wrote:

Gplex wrote: To describe all the logic I have use in my life would be a very large task. But I do want them to show what kind of person they really are.
You have shown me that you like to pretend that what I say = what you want me to mean.

Its more you say what I think you mean.

Well.. I gota say, you are more honest than I thought you were going to be.

RageOverdose wrote:

Gplex wrote: I expect more from people, I actually feel let down.
I dont straight away call someone stupid - even though I think you made a lot of stupid claims %u2013 I will explain to them why they are wrong, or how their beliefs dont make sense, those who decided to ignore what I say, or come up with some fallacy to call back on, and will not listen %u2013 I eventually call them stupid.

This sounds a lot like what youve been doing to me. If you are unsure, in any way of what Im claiming, its that you are not open-minded, and that I dont like how you demean other peoples intelligence, but I think you knew the latter from our arguments before.

I dont really care what you dont like. I would treat you and your beliefs the same way I would treat anyone of my family or friends.
Criticism of their behavior and their beliefs is not demeaning someones intelligence.
Way off topic. If you want to talk about this, create a new thread and invite me.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote: But I will conceived [concede? / am willing to conceive?] that someday, a Christian (or religious person [and/or “idiot” ? ]) will surprise me.

My input may very well imbue the allure of a fresh pile of Zaniskari Pony dumplings, steaming away in the afternoon sun of the Kunlun mountains of Ladakh, India, BUT it MAY also be just as useful. Help me out, I’m sincerely trying to give a shit here.

Look, I pretty much agree with you, but your arguments are fearful and weak.

Is it 'open minded' to attempt to define/measure a life and world, in relation to the very self by which one perceives that 'living world', without first having defined the principle nature of such 'self', and its derivative constituents?

“Psychology” and personal 'intent' are integral factors in discerning conceptual 'substantiality' from perceptual aberration.


My original question warrants address.

Its pertinence poses a valid challenge to the integrity of your rationale, and your interpretation of logic’s “rules of engagement”.

For the sake of theoretical congruity, you could do well to stop diverting from acknowledgment of 'motive', within your basis.

Demon Soul wrote:

Gplex wrote: But I will conceived [concede? / am willing to conceive?] that someday, a Christian (or religious person [and/or “idiot” ? ]) will surprise me.

Don’t add words to my quotes.

Demon Soul wrote: My input may very well imbue the allure of a fresh pile of Zaniskari Pony dumplings, steaming away in the afternoon sun of the Kunlun mountains of Ladakh, India, BUT it MAY also be just as useful. Help me out, I’m sincerely trying to give a shit here.

What?

Demon Soul wrote: Look, I pretty much agree with you, but your arguments are fearful and weak.

I wasn’t aware I was making an argument; I thought I was stating a fact.

Demon Soul wrote: Is it 'open minded' to attempt to define/measure a life and world, in relation to the very self by which one perceives that 'living world', without first having defined the principle nature of such 'self', and its derivative constituents?

No its not, that’s very open minded, but to come to conclusions or assumptions about something without investigation is closed minded.

Demon Soul wrote: “Psychology” and personal 'intent' are integral factors in discerning conceptual 'substantiality' from perceptual aberration.

I don’t understand.

Demon Soul wrote: My original question warrants address.

You should quote it.

Demon Soul wrote: Its pertinence poses a valid challenge to the integrity of your rationale, and your interpretation of logic’s “rules of engagement”.

Reasoned logic. Logic allow can be shown to be flawed.

Demon Soul wrote: For the sake of theoretical congruity, you could do well to stop diverting from acknowledgment of 'motive', within your basis.

Yes, rage seems partially good at manipulating me into that.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

Demon Soul wrote:

Gplex wrote: But I will conceived [concede? / am willing to conceive?] that someday, a Christian (or religious person [and/or “idiot” ? ]) will surprise me.

Don�t add words to my quotes.

Those were questions. Your sentence structure and implications were not fully clarified.

Instructing me will not likely render advantageous.

Gplex wrote:

Demon Soul wrote: My input may very well imbue the allure of a fresh pile of Zaniskari Pony dumplings, steaming away in the afternoon sun of the Kunlun mountains of Ladakh, India, BUT it MAY also be just as useful. Help me out, I’m sincerely trying to give a shit here.

What?

As with 'manure' being used as valuable fertilizer, what looks to be irrelevant, inoperative, or unappealing may potentially prove to be very useful in application.

Regarding: “trying to give a shit”, every person is going to have a limit as to precisely how much they’re willing/capable of caring for and supporting your personal interests in a given situation.
A common courtesy, used to demonstrate an 'attentive' level of respect for those who do show you any consideration, is to make it fairly easy for them to identify what exactly are your related interests, regarding a current matter.

'Objective transparency'.

Gplex wrote:

Demon Soul wrote: Look, I pretty much agree with you, but your arguments are fearful and weak.

I wasn�t aware I was making an argument; I thought I was stating a fact.

A “fact”, that you were well aware would contest the views of others, who have accepted a different definition for “open minded”, however baseless it may be.


With respect to the gravity of your proposed postures, much of your “rational logic” is intrinsically subjective and conditional.
I won’t elaborate on that at this time, since it’s symptomatic of deeper levels of experiential discrimination and interpretation, and commands an investigation into the essential nature of your personal conceptual impetuses.

Gplex wrote:

Demon Soul wrote: “Psychology” and personal 'intent' are integral factors in discerning conceptual 'substantiality' from perceptual aberration.

I don�t understand.

It will be necessary to factor in your own psycho/sociological conditioning and motivations, before being able to objectively, and more positively distinguish between “fact” and “belief”.

Gplex wrote:

Demon Soul wrote: My original question warrants address.

You should quote it.

I’ll reiterate:
To open and conduct a successful civil dialogue, a potential collective goal needs to be identified, clearly appointed, and thence abided to.

What is the desired outcome of your original illustration, and subsequent discussion?

Gplex wrote:
See that! Now I know what you are talking about! I not sure why you think I have a supernatural ability to automatically know what post you are talking about.

Because I had already quoted that and commented on it, and you kept on asking for a quote. I shouldn’t expect someone to have a supernatural ability when what they wanted was in the same thread, but whatever, it’s good for me to turn of the laziness of requoting.

Gplex wrote: Im not even going to explain this. If you cannot see why the statement evil is just the absence of God is not closed minded, then I cant help you.
Again, this is a strawman. Ill put it in terms you can understand. You are misrepresenting my position. Accepting that a god did anything in this universe without examining the cause of that event is a closed minded act.

That is not true.

Closed-minded is not about lack of investigation or research, but about not accepting information that is new. You could investigate something with a closed-mind, such as using bias to ignore information (which I would admit some Christians would do) during an investigation or letting prejudice affect your objective judgment when examining data. But just an investigation has no bearing on closed- or open-minded.

Now, yes, it may be irrational or illogical when someone believes in God, but not closed-minded.

Gplex wrote: You dont understand what a closed mind is. WTF. I have been explaining this too you over and over. This is like calling me closed minded, because everyone I have ever run into eats food. So I would expect everyone else I run into eats food too. But I would accept that someday, someone I run unto might get their energy some other way. Every Christian I have run into makes me laugh, because of their willingness to ignore evidence, or jump to conclusions. So far I have not been let down. But I will conceived that someday, a Christian (or religious person) will surprise me.

Acting upon a prejudice is closed-minded. Your video even said this, and the definition of open-minded:

Dictionary.com Unabridged wrote: o⋅pen-mind⋅ed
–adjective
1. having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments.
2. unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.

I do understand open-mindedness vs. closed-mindedness. Saying that someone is clearly not open-minded merely because they make a statement about God being the absence of evil is a closed-minded remark, because you are acting upon a prejudice you have for Christians. Just because someone believes that does not make them closed-minded. Now, you can actually explain why it does, which you haven’t, and lack of investigation is not the reason.

Gplex wrote: My experience has lead me to the conclusion that most Christians are closed minded. As proof, I will ask you to bring any Christian here and let me grill them.

There is me, but then again, our history shows otherwise I guess.

It’s not worth it though.

Gplex wrote:

RageOverdose wrote: They make snap conclusions about someone not believing because of lack of support as closed-minded, but that in and of itself is closed-minded because a prejudice only shows you have a pre-defined thought of how someone is based upon the group the belong to

This is exactly what you tried to say to me. Recognizing closed minded behavior and pointing it out does not make you closed minded. Look up the meaning of strawman!

Strawman.

I never said that recognizing closed-minded behavior is closed-minded. My statement you requoted was just a reiteration of what I’ve been trying to say: using a prejudice to make a conclusion about someone is closed-minded. You did that, so you were closed-minded.

Gplex wrote: Big rant just to find out you agree with me. Another strawman. I know every Christian I have run into is closed minded. I may generalize, but I will accept that their maybe a Christian out there who will surprise me.
King Boo comment was closed minded! WTF

Big rant because I enjoy arguing with you and because you aren’t exhibiting the open-minded behavior you are seemingly trying to promote.

Gplex wrote: Quote me.

Same King Boo quote. I’ve done this over and over again...

Gplex wrote:

King Boo wrote: I have an open mind.

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King Boo wrote: Even doesn’t exists, evil is just the absence of God.

Clearly you dont.

Gplex wrote: Hmm what should I eat, those pears, or the ice cream in the fridge. - I usually dont choose the logical choice.

The logic there is subjective depending on the goal in mind. Logically, at this moment, I would choose the ice cream, because I’m having a craving for treats and I enjoy ice cream more than the pear.

In another situation, I could choose the pear for energy or nutrition, maybe as part of a meal for a quick workout. You probably use logic in every day situations, but not even realize it.

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RageOverdose wrote: Because I had already quoted that and commented on it, and you kept on asking for a quote. I shouldn’t expect someone to have a supernatural ability when what they wanted was in the same thread, but whatever, it’s good for me to turn of the laziness of requoting.

Quote what you are commenting on.

RageOverdose wrote: That is not true.
Closed-minded is not about lack of investigation or research, but about not accepting information that is new. You could investigate something with a closed-mind, such as using bias to ignore information (which I would admit some Christians would do) during an investigation or letting prejudice affect your objective judgment when examining data. But just an investigation has no bearing on closed- or open-minded.
Now, yes, it may be irrational or illogical when someone believes in God, but not closed-minded.

Another strawman.

Gplex wrote: Accepting that a god did anything in this universe without examining the cause of that event is a closed minded act.

See the quotes? What does this statement tell you? That someone who jumps to conclusions before knowing facts is closed minded. If you don’t know the facts you should investigate!

RageOverdose wrote: Acting upon a prejudice is closed-minded. Your video even said this, and the definition of open-minded:

Dictionary.com Unabridged wrote: o⋅pen-mind⋅ed
–adjective
1. having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments.
2. unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.

I do understand open-mindedness vs. closed-mindedness. Saying that someone is clearly not open-minded merely because they make a statement about God being the absence of evil is a closed-minded remark, because you are acting upon a prejudice you have for Christians. Just because someone believes that does not make them closed-minded. Now, you can actually explain why it does, which you haven’t, and lack of investigation is not the reason.

No you do not. You have the stupid idea, for some reason you think that someone with a open mind cannot come to a conclusion about anything. Eg. My conclusion about Boo argument. – my conclusion is totally justified, yet for you because I came to a conclusion I am closed minded. That’s just stupid.
You keep falling back to this. On every one of your arguments towards me. “You have prejudice which makes your wrong”. Do I have prejudiced against flat earth believers? Or do I suspect that they are wrong? If I ignore their arguments, ignore any evidence they bring forward, yes I would be closed minded.
But what you are willing to ignore, is that I do listen, and I do think through arguments unprejudiced, unbigoted, and impartial, it is after I have thought about it when I come to a conclusion that it is either a good argument or not….

RageOverdose wrote: There is me, but then again, our history shows otherwise I guess.
It’s not worth it though.

This is my experience, I never claimed that my experience is absolute, just that every single Christian I have run into is closed minded. – stating a fact is not being closed minded.

RageOverdose wrote:
Strawman.
I never said that recognizing closed-minded behavior is closed-minded. My statement you requoted was just a reiteration of what I’ve been trying to say: using a prejudice to make a conclusion about someone is closed-minded. You did that, so you were closed-minded.

No. My experience has leaded me to laugh at Christians. That’s what I do. Just as the flat earth believers, I expect to hear something stupid, does this mean I closed mined. NO. Because expecting to hear something stupid and then listening to the argument doesn’t make you closed minded.

RageOverdose wrote: Big rant because I enjoy arguing with you and because you aren’t exhibiting the open-minded behavior you are seemingly trying to promote.

You are not arguing with me, you are accusing me of things I don’t do. Using poor logic and twisting of words.

RageOverdose wrote: The logic there is subjective depending on the goal in mind. Logically, at this moment, I would choose the ice cream, because I’m having a craving for treats and I enjoy ice cream more than the pear.
In another situation, I could choose the pear for energy or nutrition, maybe as part of a meal for a quick workout. You probably use logic in every day situations, but not even realize it.

But the fact is, I don’t always use logic, but I will fall back on it when something more important to me is at risk.

Demon Soul wrote: *Blah Blah Blah. A lot of added extra words* - note not demons actual post.

I cannot find any object to your post. If you have a question, ask it, and do not add words to my quotes.
If you think something of mine is illogical quote me. I would like to know.
Belief is a messy word, currently the scientific method seems to be the best way to separate fact from fiction. Accepting that we cannot know anything 100% but, I exist is really the only way to know what appears to be reality.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote: ..do not add words to my quotes

I gave you the regard to clearly differentiate my own queries, and interpretations from your statement.

I would think to earn an individual’s trust through honest consideration before directly attempting to instruct them.

No extra words.

-Non-intuitive elaboration to compensate for someone’s lack of attentiveness.

Your personal emotions are interfering with your perceptions on all levels, and in all regards, so it’s pointless to quote every single instance.

Although you’ve clearly 'displayed' the answer to my original question, you still haven’t directly answered it. The ambiguity of your ultimate motivations here allows you to deviate from accountability, indefinitely.

Does it really take that much explaining to validate to you that your statements are effectually impotent, if you refuse to clearly define your end objectives?

You apparently have no idea how your personal pride (social insecurity) affects (distorts) the veracity of your interpretation of things/people.

If you’re still too embarrassed to answer my question after the third time presented, then at least have the honesty to say that. I won’t ask again.

To dumb it down for you: You need to be able to see past your personal motives, in order to maintain any degree of rational integrity.

Demon Soul wrote: Bla bla bla, too many words for such a sort question.

I am telling you not to add words to my quotes. Do I actually have to explain how adding words to peoples quotes is dishonest?
Look as far as I can see, you are no better than rage. You make several claims, and sit back and expect me to refute them.
You want to claim I’m a emotional wreck? Prove it. Quote lines back and demonstrate how you have come to this conclusion. You want to claim that I’m social insecure, prove it! I already told everyone here my motives. I’m searching for the truth! If you think this somehow distorts my rational reasoning over certain topics, then you will have to prove it.
If you keep this troll like behavior up, I will stop replying to you.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

Demon Soul wrote: Bla bla bla, too many words for such a sort question.

I am telling you not to add words to my quotes. Do I actually have to explain how adding words to peoples quotes is dishonest?
Look as far as I can see, you are no better than rage. You make several claims, and sit back and expect me to refute them.
You want to claim I’m a emotional wreck? Prove it. Quote lines back and demonstrate how you have come to this conclusion. You want to claim that I’m social insecure, prove it! I already told everyone here my motives. I’m searching for the truth! If you think this somehow distorts my rational reasoning over certain topics, then you will have to prove it.
If you keep this troll like behavior up, I will stop replying to you.

Ur here searching for the truth? u trust PEARL already, or do u mean the truth in why others believe what they believe?

A genius isnt someone with a massive amount of intellegence, a genius is someone who shoots at something no one else can see and hits it.

Gplex wrote:
Quote what you are commenting on.

I have done it over and over again. You are just being a nuisance now.

Gplex wrote: Another strawman.

No, it wasn’t. I was just stating an explanation.

Gplex wrote: See the quotes? What does this statement tell you? That someone who jumps to conclusions before knowing facts is closed minded. If you don’t know the facts you should investigate!

I understand what you are saying, and you are right that jumping to conclusions is closed-minded. However, you cannot always assume how the person came to their conclusion. You are making the assertion that all Christians simply do not investigate the real-world causes of why something is what it is, whereas they do in many cases, but also say that there is no godliness there. If God is in the best interests of our people, and evil is against the best interests of our people, then yes, no God = evil.

But I already know what you are going to say to that.

Gplex wrote: No you do not. You have the stupid idea, for some reason you think that someone with a open mind cannot come to a conclusion about anything. Eg. My conclusion about Boo argument. – my conclusion is totally justified, yet for you because I came to a conclusion I am closed minded. That’s just stupid.
You keep falling back to this. On every one of your arguments towards me. “You have prejudice which makes your wrong”. Do I have prejudiced against flat earth believers? Or do I suspect that they are wrong? If I ignore their arguments, ignore any evidence they bring forward, yes I would be closed minded.
But what you are willing to ignore, is that I do listen, and I do think through arguments unprejudiced, unbigoted, and impartial, it is after I have thought about it when I come to a conclusion that it is either a good argument or not….

Yes I do, and it is becoming more obvious that you do not. The bold texts are strawmen fallacies, by the way. My arguments are that you are demonstrating a closed-mind. Prejudice doesn’t make you wrong all the time, I never claimed that. Also, I do not believe that open-minded people cannot come to conclusions, although closed-minded people do tend to make conclusions a lot faster.

If you do listen that’s fine, but it doesn’t seem like you do to me.

Gplex wrote: This is my experience, I never claimed that my experience is absolute, just that every single Christian I have run into is closed minded. – stating a fact is not being closed minded.

The only thing about this is I cannot judge your acts, but I also can’t take your word for it. I want to say that you probably did the same thing with other people, but I just can’t do that either. But you have to understand, using your experiences as a basis of how to act is prejudice. It is not inherently bad, I know that, but you act upon them as you claim and you are closed-minded.

Gplex wrote: No. My experience has leaded me to laugh at Christians. That’s what I do. Just as the flat earth believers, I expect to hear something stupid, does this mean I closed mined. NO. Because expecting to hear something stupid and then listening to the argument doesn’t make you closed minded.

Actually, yes, expecting to hear something stupid from a Christian is prejudice, and thus exhibits closed-minded behavior. Quit saying that you aren’t closed-minded and then admitting it.

Gplex wrote: You are not arguing with me, you are accusing me of things I don’t do. Using poor logic and twisting of words.

We are arguing. And I’m not accusing you of anything you aren’t already doing.

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RageOverdose wrote: I understand what you are saying, and you are right that jumping to conclusions is closed-minded. However, you cannot always assume how the person came to their conclusion. You are making the assertion that all Christians simply do not investigate the real-world causes of why something is what it is, whereas they do in many cases, but also say that there is no godliness there. If God is in the best interests of our people, and evil is against the best interests of our people, then yes, no God = evil.
But I already know what you are going to say to that.

Jumping to conclusions before knowing the facts is closed minded.
No, I made the assertion that all Christians I have run into are closed minded; this has been reinforced after I started talking to Christians from other countries.
After experiencing this I am confident that every Christian is closed minded. Just as I am confident that there are no unicorns – you can’t prove that! You want to know why? Because they jump to conclusions! Their entire belief system relies on them being closed minded. I already told you that I am willing to accept the possibility that there maybe Christians out there that are not closed minded.

RageOverdose wrote: Yes I do, and it is becoming more obvious that you do not. The bold texts are strawmen fallacies, by the way. My arguments are that you are demonstrating a closed-mind. Prejudice doesn’t make you wrong all the time, I never claimed that. Also, I do not believe that open-minded people cannot come to conclusions, although closed-minded people do tend to make conclusions a lot faster.
If you do listen that’s fine, but it doesn’t seem like you do to me.

So you are claiming that because I can process an argument faster than you, that I am closed minded?
It seems like the word is flat, that doesn’t make it so.

RageOverdose wrote: The only thing about this is I cannot judge your acts, but I also can’t take your word for it. I want to say that you probably did the same thing with other people, but I just can’t do that either. But you have to understand, using your experiences as a basis of how to act is prejudice. It is not inherently bad, I know that, but you act upon them as you claim and you are closed-minded.

Act? When do I act upon them? I have already told you, I have trained myself you use logic and reasoning when presented with a argument or/and evidence. I do not jump to snap decisions I think before I say something.

Gplex wrote:

King Boo wrote: I have an open mind.

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King Boo wrote: Even doesnt exists, evil is just the absence of God.

Clearly you dont.

You wanted to call me closed minded, but pointing out that king boo was closed minded. I find you willingness to be dishonest distasteful.

RageOverdose wrote: Actually, yes, expecting to hear something stupid from a Christian is prejudice, and thus exhibits closed-minded behavior. Quit saying that you aren’t closed-minded and then admitting it.
We are arguing. And I’m not accusing you of anything you aren’t already doing.

If every person I spar with from one club, always likes to lead off with a jab, and I expect it every time is that prejudice? I would think it stupid of me to not to expect nothing else.
I expect that an argument presented to me from a Christian, for Christianity, will probably be stupid.
I expect a person to get angry with me when I criticize their religion.
I expect a person to look at me at least once when I’m talking to them.
I expect a person who wants to live will breathe air.
I expect that there will be noobs on the internet.
I expect that directors will continue to butcher movies that could great.
I expect that people will continue to fight for a very long time to come.
I expect that within a few hours I’m going to be hungry.
I expect gravity to still be there tomorrow.
I expect friction will still work every time I take a step.
I expect that you, RageOverdose will get the point by now.
All of these I am willing to admit, might not happen. – But in my experience it is unlikely.
Without assumptions like these, I could not operate in the real world.
Christianity is a belief system that relies on a person being closed mined. I don’t understand why you do not understand this simple concept.

Astro wrote: Ur here searching for the truth? u trust PEARL already, or do u mean the truth in why others believe what they believe?

At the moment I’m sick of being told I am the closed minded one for pointing out the false ideas in peoples beliefs.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Now theres only one thing u said in ur debate with rage that bothered me sorry to interupt but u said ur as confident that all christians are close minded as u r confident there are no uni-corns I mean dont u think ur exaggerating a little?

A genius isnt someone with a massive amount of intellegence, a genius is someone who shoots at something no one else can see and hits it.

Astro wrote: Now theres only one thing u said in ur debate with rage that bothered me sorry to interupt but u said ur as confident that all christians are close minded as u r confident there are no uni-corns I mean dont u think ur exaggerating a little?

Well more like a lot.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews