Crimson_Blade wrote:
Huzzah. Homophobia. Goodie. Either those weren’t real Homosexual’s or they are only kidding themselves into being staight as they are scared of divine punishment. Homosexuality is not a choice.
And Christians have become atheists, does that make Christianity wrong? Certainly not in your eyes so stop being a hypocrite and expecting me to convert because someone else did.
Etain wrote:
You can’t possibly know that about a person. I myself was a Christian for about 20 years of my life. And it wasn’t because I was “forced to be”.
If your next step is to argue that “anyone who was truly a Christian would never stop being one”, then I suggest you not bother and go look up the “no true Scotsman” fallacy”.
You know what? Please tell me, ex christians, how would YOU define what a Christian is? Apparently you must have given it a lot of though since you’re all free thinkers. And does it even go in line with your former “Christian” lives. I’m still on the what they call the Christian journey but you must have discovered something some how that I haven’t yet that caused you to change you beliefs.
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The basic beliefs: A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus as the son of god. Again, like Crimson_Blade I could go into more detail - but the “additional detail” is even heavily debated in Christian communities. The “Apostle’s Creed”, which is used in some denominations, sums the beliefs up nicely.
As to your second question - I don’t wish to insult you, so I’m only going to outline something that made me change my mind. As a Christian, I read the Bible extensively. I learned about Bible history. I read Christian apologetics and other theological texts (especially C.S. Lewis). I studied extensively about the history of Christianity. I took Bible courses at the university level taught by a Christian professor.
Now you’d think all this study would have strengthened my beliefs right? It was the opposite. The more I studied the more I realized things weren’t adding up.
Etain wrote:
The basic beliefs: A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus as the son of god. Again, like Crimson_Blade I could go into more detail - but the “additional detail” is even heavily debated in Christian communities. The “Apostle’s Creed”, which is used in some denominations, sums the beliefs up nicely.
As to your second question - I don’t wish to insult you, so I’m only going to outline something that made me change my mind. As a Christian, I read the Bible extensively. I learned about Bible history. I read Christian apologetics and other theological texts (especially C.S. Lewis). I studied extensively about the history of Christianity. I took Bible courses at the university level taught by a Christian professor.
Now you’d think all this study would have strengthened my beliefs right? It was the opposite. The more I studied the more I realized things weren’t adding up.
But through faith you wouldn’t have given up on the Christianity (Bibically speaking).
Galatians 3
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Etain wrote:
The basic beliefs: A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus as the son of god. Again, like Crimson_Blade I could go into more detail - but the “additional detail” is even heavily debated in Christian communities. The “Apostle’s Creed”, which is used in some denominations, sums the beliefs up nicely.
As to your second question - I don’t wish to insult you, so I’m only going to outline something that made me change my mind. As a Christian, I read the Bible extensively. I learned about Bible history. I read Christian apologetics and other theological texts (especially C.S. Lewis). I studied extensively about the history of Christianity. I took Bible courses at the university level taught by a Christian professor.
Now you’d think all this study would have strengthened my beliefs right? It was the opposite. The more I studied the more I realized things weren’t adding up.
But through faith you wouldn’t have given up on the Christianity (Bibically speaking).
Galatians 3
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Two things - first it makes absolutely no logical sense for me to find the Bible to be fallible then go “oh wait I can’t change my faith because the Bible says so”.
Second - there are numerous passages in the Bible that address people rejecting the faith, rejecting god, etc.
Crimson_Blade wrote:
So faith means you automatically cannot think for yourself and change your mind?
Bibically speaking, I’ll let you decide...
Proverbs 3
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Again, it makes no sense for you to use the Bible to tell people who don’t believe in it that they can’t change their faith.
That would be like me telling you that you had better be prepared to have your heart weighed against Ma’at’s feather of truth after you die. But since you don’t follow the ancient Egyptian religion, it would make no sense for me to do so.
Crimson_Blade wrote:
So faith means you automatically cannot think for yourself and change your mind?
Bibically speaking, I’ll let you decide...
Proverbs 3
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Again, it makes no sense for you to use the Bible to tell people who don’t believe in it that they can’t change their faith.
That would be like me telling you that you had better be prepared to have your heart weighed against Ma’at’s feather of truth after you die. But since you don’t follow the ancient Egyptian religion, it would make no sense for me to do so.
My point is you chose to reject the Bible because it didn’t walk in order with your own understanding. Instead of heeding to the understanding of God.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Crimson_Blade wrote:
So faith means you automatically cannot think for yourself and change your mind?
Bibically speaking, I’ll let you decide...
Proverbs 3
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Again, it makes no sense for you to use the Bible to tell people who don’t believe in it that they can’t change their faith.
That would be like me telling you that you had better be prepared to have your heart weighed against Ma’at’s feather of truth after you die. But since you don’t follow the ancient Egyptian religion, it would make no sense for me to do so.
My point is you chose to reject the Bible because it didn’t walk in order with your own understanding. Instead of heeding to the understanding of God.
Do you “heed to the understanding” of Odin? Osiris? If not, why not?
Crimson_Blade wrote:
So faith means you automatically cannot think for yourself and change your mind?
Bibically speaking, I’ll let you decide...
Proverbs 3
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Again, it makes no sense for you to use the Bible to tell people who don’t believe in it that they can’t change their faith.
That would be like me telling you that you had better be prepared to have your heart weighed against Ma’at’s feather of truth after you die. But since you don’t follow the ancient Egyptian religion, it would make no sense for me to do so.
My point is you chose to reject the Bible because it didn’t walk in order with your own understanding. Instead of heeding to the understanding of God.
Do you “heed to the understanding” of Odin? Osiris? If not, why not?
I was never a believer in norse/egyptian/greek mythology. Yet you were an ex christian.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Crimson_Blade wrote:
So faith means you automatically cannot think for yourself and change your mind?
Bibically speaking, I’ll let you decide...
Proverbs 3
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Again, it makes no sense for you to use the Bible to tell people who don’t believe in it that they can’t change their faith.
That would be like me telling you that you had better be prepared to have your heart weighed against Ma’at’s feather of truth after you die. But since you don’t follow the ancient Egyptian religion, it would make no sense for me to do so.
My point is you chose to reject the Bible because it didn’t walk in order with your own understanding. Instead of heeding to the understanding of God.
Do you “heed to the understanding” of Odin? Osiris? If not, why not?
I was never a believer in norse/egyptian/greek mythology. Yet you were an ex christian.
And you don’t believe in it why? Is it safe to assume you don’t believe those gods exist?
