So if someone said “Do you want a billion trillion dollars? All you have to do is give me your credit card, social security number, your house, your car, everything in your will and your soul. I promise I’ll give it to you." ... lol, shouldn’t sound suspicious at all.
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Shaun, you are wasting your time. I won’t be swayed nor would you if Jesus Christ came to you in person and performed miracles. Your mind is closed to the truth. Your problem, not mine.
If Jesus physically appeared to me and did miracles I would believe him. Pretty much the main reason why I don’t believe in him is because he doesn’t... just like every other God.
So you put your faith in to something that may or not be real. Something you cannot see,touch,feel,smell, or taste, or even expirence except for how you interpret something GOOD happening.
Chilly man wrote:
Shaun, you are wasting your time. I won’t be swayed nor would you if Jesus Christ came to you in person and performed miracles. Your mind is closed to the truth. Your problem, not mine.
typical christian defense, to just call us blatantly ignorant. No Chilly, we are not like you because we do not ignore facts and evidences just so we can continue believing in something that is contrary.
Shaun of the Living wrote:
A lot of atheists don’t believe in free will, especially on here. I think watermelon man does, but apart from that I haven’t heard of many others.
Yet, as it were - there’s nothing to prove that free will does NOT exist.
There’s nothing to prove you’re NOT a serial killer, so I guess you’re going to jail until you can disprove it.
James Falcon wrote:
Shaun of the Living wrote:
Supernovas, meteor strikes, planets smashing into each other, global warming, killer viruses, serial killers, hurricanes, rapists, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, avalanches, armed robbery, war, genocide, terrorism, child slavery... doesn’t sound all that ordered to me.
Let’s see:
Supernova - Natural death of a star caused by core implosion due to lack of fusionable material to maintain a homeostatic interval.
Meteors - Fragments of platetoid material, all drawn into orbits of belts until collisions within the belts cause creation of new random trajegtories and velocities.
Planets colliding - Result of mathmatical stacking from paths of planetary orbits eventually to intersect, such as in the theory that parrallel lines eventually cross.
That’s some natural occurances cleared up as having set purpose and therefore not chaotic in nature. The term chaos by DEFINITION defines that which has no order or state of predictability. All of these things are predictable as occuring naturally through science.
Just because these things are predictable doesn’t mean there is an intelligent reasoning behind them, because though their behaviour can be predicted, the pattern of actions makes absolutely no sense.
Why do stars need to form and explode? God could just make them fully formed and preserve the ones he has now. Why should planets and meteors be straying out of clockwork orbits and smashing into each other, is God a bad traffic conductor?
There is predictability, yes, but things are not as peacefully neat and tidy as a universal manager would surely have them be, which to me suggests all the events in the universe are naturally predestined with no conscious reason behind them, not random 'chance' as you are making it sound like I suggest. I accept I don’t know the perfect dictionary definiton of every word I use, so sue me.
James Falcon wrote:
As for war, genocide, crime, and *heaven forbid I use the word* Sin - try to tell me that mankind is not evil by nature and instinct. If he wasn’t - we’d have nothing to complain about in this arena.
Then how can God blame us for our sin if he created us evil? It’s ridiculous for him to expect our forgiveness for what he made us as. Furthermore, how do we have free will if we’re naturally evil?
James Falcon wrote:
Shaun of the Living wrote:
Do you understand that an expansion of a singularity that was the primordial universe which took hundreds of thousands of years later for things like planets to form is completely different from blowing up modern explosive weapons on Earth? Can you grasp that?
And yet we have no evidence whatsoever of the same process occuring today, despite science’s immense claims to having witnessed all kinds of spectacular phenomena in the spatial void through use of telescopes and other media of scientific observation. I won’t even go into the facts that none have replicated these alleged processes through use of science.
There is plenty of evidence for the big bang; background microwave radiation, hydrogen and helium common throughout the universe, the space between galaxies increasing as measured by redshift, etc. but you just ignore it...
James Falcon wrote:
If this be the case, you have a lot to observe upon and come to realize concerning that man, when compared to any other lifeform - bears a unique form of supremacy for capacity of free will and intuition to learn and gain knowledge. There is no life form in existance that uses free will outside of man.
Either our actions happen for a reason, in which case we don’t have free will because something else caused us to do it, or there was no reason, in which case that’s just pure randomness, which doesn’t exist. It’s one or the other, there is no magic centre of our brain that lets us do things for no reason with no influence of our personality, cognitive abilities or instinct concerned with the action we take. That’s a bunch of complete crap.
Oh and, this is off topic, but I hate it how people use the word 'man' as if it were a substitute for the word “human”, like females aren’t part of the species...
James Falcon wrote:
How do I know this? Look at any animal. All animals are bound in their free will by the cinder block that is inputed instinct. I say imputed because no matter how far back you look in history - a bird has always been a bird, acted like a bird, eaten what birds eat, mated with birds, done things only birds can do
What about the emu? Surely at some stage it must have been a flying bird that started to walk on land or else it wouldn’t have wings and hollow bones. No ‘intelligent designer’ would give it those features when it didn’t need them...
...must have been satan, LOL.
James Falcon wrote:
without change brought on by a free willed decision to perform the unorthodox and go outside set boundaries of ability.
Okay, you have complete control over your brain. Prove it.
Make yourself a genius by willpower alone. Take up smoking for a few months and then just give up instantly with no cravings and no withdrawal symptoms. Go to work naked. Smash up your computer right now with no hesitation. Withdraw all your savings from the bank and set them on fire. Ditch every single one of your friends and never talk to them again.
Can’t do any of those things? But I thought there was no outside influence in your actions...
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Shaun of the Living wrote:
If Jesus physically appeared to me and did miracles I would believe him. Pretty much the main reason why I don’t believe in him is because he doesn’t... just like every other God.
Matthew 28
17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Would you really believe him? When people at his time (with little to no scientific background) even doubted?
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