Another reason people believe in god is because people are never happy with what they have and god has a heaven a place which makes your fantasies come true because their in denial that what you see is what you get.
Or something I don’t know Infinite is better with words.
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
This is a human:
Here is Everest(somewhere over there are some humans climbing the mountain)
Planet earth(somewhere over there is everest):
This is the earth vs the Sun:
This is the Sun vs Canis Majoris
Canis Majoris vs Milky Way Galaxy:
At this scale actually Canis Majoris is less than a one million FRACTION of ONE PIXEL
The biggest Galaxy known to man is like 50 times bigger than our galaxy
Our Galaxy is a dot in the Universe
And the universe keeps growing.
Because of the strange shape of our univesre some people believe that what we call “universe” is part of something bigger.... like much bigger universe and this goes to the infinite, with no actual limit.
In this planet we are one of the few of the species (if not the only one) that is not important. Human complete race can disappear from the planet and the nature equilibrium would prevail. Actually maybe the planet would say thank you ^_^
We are not important for this planet.
And the planet is not relevant for the universe.
And to that add that we destroy between us, we insult, ignore, hit, kill,torture, etc. to each other...
There is no sense...
We can not even decide our own existance.
Our fathers decided for us our existance. The fathers of our fathers decided their existance, and the ones before them decided their existance. But all life existance and creation has been decided by a most powerful and absolute force.
But even if we can not decide to born, we have the power to give to our life any meaning we want. We can decide what we want to belive, what we want to ignore, what we want to love and do with our lives.
“We are not Gods” so because of that we can not always do and have whatever we want. The life can be difficult but even if our bodies are covered by chains, fire, pain and can not move... We are the only owners of our minds, of our feelings, of our ideas, what we belive, respect and love.
We all have dreams, maybe we want different things, but everyone wants to catch and follow an ideal. Maybe not always is possible to catch it, but if you can fight for it and be close to it even if just for few seconds, is much better than living forever with the doubt and doing nothing.
What would be the point of being so big as the universe if you are alone and can not do something else than been big?
I think that when we have reasone to continue, to not give up, something to fight for, something or someone to protect and love. The great size of the universe is not that great and important after all.
I belive that for example the love that a man can have to the woman she loves, to her family, his kids and their future, is something even more amazing and beautiful than the inmense universe.
So for the human the simple answer to all this is:
We are free
To belive whatever we want.
To give our life the meaning that we want.
Since we are so small and imperfect the only option left that we have is giving to our existance a meaning and continue until we meet our end.
I also think everyhuman in the deepest part of their minds and heart they wish to end with a tranquil and satisfactory final. So in my opinion that is what we should do enjoy the life and do our best and see what happens after the history ends.
Well I know I am crazy but this ^ is my humble opinion.
Mike8UN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
Just like how people thought a god made thunder right?
When we don’t understand something it is rather lazy and pathetic to blame it on a higher being. I say we try to find the answer.
Mike8UN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
Just like how people thought a god made thunder right?
When we don’t understand something it is rather lazy and pathetic to blame it on a higher being. I say we try to find the answer.
Well is just an opinion. If you read all my post the keywords are We are Free to belive whatever we want
The problem is between more we learn less we know.
What created universe?
-Big Bang( possibly)
What created big bang and how?
-Maybe this and this
What created this and this and how?
.....
How can the matter exist??
....
Which was the origin of matter?
.....
Is our universe part of other universes?
.....
What happens exactly after we die?
...Not sure but probalby nothing...
Sure?
...I have no evidence but maybe yea I almost sure.
It is not that we are lazy.... it is just impossible to know the true answers of life.
The life of this planet and human race is not enought to discover all what we need to find the answers.
Human is not lazy his nature makes him want to know everything. But even the greatest efforts are not enought to understand the life.
The answer is simple:
You are free to decide and give the life any meaning you want.
Not only Pasteur said that.
Actually many great modern scientists have said they have no hell idea of how to answer many things. They do not even have a logical scientific theory.
Do you really belive some one so tiny like a human can be capable of discovering all secrets of an universe that keeps growing and that could be part of bigger universes??
When we belived we had an answer later with more science we discover that we were wrong.
For example a black hole does not follow many physic laws.
When we belived that we already have discovered all elements, some people suggest that there are probablly other unknown elements.
When everyone belived that it was impossible that Xe a noble gass united with another element... They discovered XeF4
When people belived that they already found out how old the universe could be they noticed that the some stars they discovered were older than the age they calculated for the universe.
how can you be older than your mother? they said.
When human keeps searching they notice that when they search more, what they belived has no sense at all, and they have harder time to find a logical answer.
I used some years ago to be against the God idea.I belived it was just fictional being created by man to protect their selves.
But maybe sometimes life can make you change of opinion.
Mike8UN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
Just like how people thought a god made thunder right?
When we don’t understand something it is rather lazy and pathetic to blame it on a higher being. I say we try to find the answer.
Yeah i gess your right people back then were just lazy did nothing except pathed the way for modern civilization, traked the stars with increadable accuracy, created mathmatics, art, science, the written word, complex language, built massive structers (pyramids, city of Rome ext..) iron working, farming. Mayans even were able to predict an eclipse in the year 2000 hundereds of years after they were gone. But yeah i gess your right people back then were just damn lazy.
Mike8UN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
Just like how people thought a god made thunder right?
When we don’t understand something it is rather lazy and pathetic to blame it on a higher being. I say we try to find the answer.
Yeah i gess your right people back then were just lazy did nothing except pathed the way for modern civilization, traked the stars with increadable accuracy, created mathmatics, art, science, the written word, complex language, built massive structers (pyramids, city of Rome ext..) iron working, farming. Mayans even were able to predict an eclipse in the year 2000 hundereds of years after they were gone. But yeah i gess your right people back then were just damn lazy.
They were hard workers, but they were 'lazy' in finding rational explanations to explain natural phenomena. Remember, most of our scientific advancements were made by individuals who could see something that 99.99999% of the rest of the population couldn’t, so when only 0.00001% of those people really questioned the traditions they’d been given since birth, I wouldn’t call them very motivated in that sense. Especially when they just took anything they didn’t have a rational explanation for and made up a completely fabricated supernatural explanation for it.
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Last edited 28 Oct 2009 03:42 am by Shaun of the Living
Mike8UN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
This is a human:
Here is Everest(somewhere over there are some humans climbing the mountain)
Planet earth(somewhere over there is everest):
This is the earth vs the Sun:
This is the Sun vs Canis Majoris
Canis Majoris vs Milky Way Galaxy:
At this scale actually Canis Majoris is less than a one million FRACTION of ONE PIXEL
The biggest Galaxy known to man is like 50 times bigger than our galaxy
Our Galaxy is a dot in the Universe
And the universe keeps growing.
Because of the strange shape of our univesre some people believe that what we call “universe” is part of something bigger.... like much bigger universe and this goes to the infinite, with no actual limit.
In this planet we are one of the few of the species (if not the only one) that is not important. Human complete race can disappear from the planet and the nature equilibrium would prevail. Actually maybe the planet would say thank you ^_^
We are not important for this planet.
And the planet is not relevant for the universe.
And to that add that we destroy between us, we insult, ignore, hit, kill,torture, etc. to each other...
There is no sense...
We can not even decide our own existance.
Our fathers decided for us our existance. The fathers of our fathers decided their existance, and the ones before them decided their existance. But all life existance and creation has been decided by a most powerful and absolute force.
But even if we can not decide to born, we have the power to give to our life any meaning we want. We can decide what we want to belive, what we want to ignore, what we want to love and do with our lives.
“We are not Gods” so because of that we can not always do and have whatever we want. The life can be difficult but even if our bodies are covered by chains, fire, pain and can not move... We are the only owners of our minds, of our feelings, of our ideas, what we belive, respect and love.
We all have dreams, maybe we want different things, but everyone wants to catch and follow an ideal. Maybe not always is possible to catch it, but if you can fight for it and be close to it even if just for few seconds, is much better than living forever with the doubt and doing nothing.
What would be the point of being so big as the universe if you are alone and can not do something else than been big?
I think that when we have reasone to continue, to not give up, something to fight for, something or someone to protect and love. The great size of the universe is not that great and important after all.
I belive that for example the love that a man can have to the woman she loves, to her family, his kids and their future, is something even more amazing and beautiful than the inmense universe.
So for the human the simple answer to all this is:
We are free
To belive whatever we want.
To give our life the meaning that we want.
Since we are so small and imperfect the only option left that we have is giving to our existance a meaning and continue until we meet our end.
I also think everyhuman in the deepest part of their minds and heart they wish to end with a tranquil and satisfactory final. So in my opinion that is what we should do enjoy the life and do our best and see what happens after the history ends.
Well I know I am crazy but this ^ is my humble opinion.
Mike8UN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
Just like how people thought a god made thunder right?
When we don’t understand something it is rather lazy and pathetic to blame it on a higher being. I say we try to find the answer.
Yeah i gess your right people back then were just lazy did nothing except pathed the way for modern civilization, traked the stars with increadable accuracy, created mathmatics, art, science, the written word, complex language, built massive structers (pyramids, city of Rome ext..) iron working, farming. Mayans even were able to predict an eclipse in the year 2000 hundereds of years after they were gone. But yeah i gess your right people back then were just damn lazy.
They were hard workers, but they were 'lazy' in finding rational explanations to explain natural phenomena. Remember, most of our scientific advancements were made by individuals who could see something that 99.99999% of the rest of the population couldn’t, so when only 0.00001% of those people really questioned the traditions they’d been given since birth, I wouldn’t call them very motivated in that sense. Especially when they just took anything they didn’t have a rational explanation for and made up a completely fabricated supernatural explanation for it.
A rational explinations to you is entierly differnet in todays standards then back then. Its like your calling them lazy because they couldnt come up with the concept and theory of evolution. Science is a building process they started litterly with nothing and had to build up from there. Also much of what we now know today involves the use of technology they couldnt use.
MikeUN wrote:
“A little bit of science averts people from God, a lot of it takes us back to Him.” Louis Pasteur
^In my opinion I have to agree with what he said lol.
Independently of what you believe or have faith in, I think there are some things that are so hard to answer for the human that it is actually hard to think there is no superior being over us...
This is a human:
Here is Everest(somewhere over there are some humans climbing the mountain)
Planet earth(somewhere over there is everest):
This is the earth vs the Sun:
This is the Sun vs Canis Majoris
Canis Majoris vs Milky Way Galaxy:
At this scale actually Canis Majoris is less than a one million FRACTION of ONE PIXEL
The biggest Galaxy known to man is like 50 times bigger than our galaxy
Our Galaxy is a dot in the Universe
And the universe keeps growing.
Because of the strange shape of our univesre some people believe that what we call “universe” is part of something bigger.... like much bigger universe and this goes to the infinite, with no actual limit.
In this planet we are one of the few of the species (if not the only one) that is not important. Human complete race can disappear from the planet and the nature equilibrium would prevail. Actually maybe the planet would say thank you ^_^
We are not important for this planet.
And the planet is not relevant for the universe.
And to that add that we destroy between us, we insult, ignore, hit, kill,torture, etc. to each other...
There is no sense...
We can not even decide our own existance.
Our fathers decided for us our existance. The fathers of our fathers decided their existance, and the ones before them decided their existance. But all life existance and creation has been decided by a most powerful and absolute force.
But even if we can not decide to born, we have the power to give to our life any meaning we want. We can decide what we want to belive, what we want to ignore, what we want to love and do with our lives.
“We are not Gods” so because of that we can not always do and have whatever we want. The life can be difficult but even if our bodies are covered by chains, fire, pain and can not move... We are the only owners of our minds, of our feelings, of our ideas, what we belive, respect and love.
We all have dreams, maybe we want different things, but everyone wants to catch and follow an ideal. Maybe not always is possible to catch it, but if you can fight for it and be close to it even if just for few seconds, is much better than living forever with the doubt and doing nothing.
What would be the point of being so big as the universe if you are alone and can not do something else than been big?
I think that when we have reasone to continue, to not give up, something to fight for, something or someone to protect and love. The great size of the universe is not that great and important after all.
I belive that for example the love that a man can have to the woman she loves, to her family, his kids and their future, is something even more amazing and beautiful than the inmense universe.
So for the human the simple answer to all this is:
We are free
To belive whatever we want.
To give our life the meaning that we want.
Since we are so small and imperfect the only option left that we have is giving to our existance a meaning and continue until we meet our end.
I also think everyhuman in the deepest part of their minds and heart they wish to end with a tranquil and satisfactory final. So in my opinion that is what we should do enjoy the life and do our best and see what happens after the history ends.
Well I know I am crazy but this ^ is my humble opinion.
So because things are bigger they are superior and there must be a God? How do you get this out of showing things that are bigger than something?
Well what I mean is that I just feel everything is too accurate, exact, complex and well organized for a random accident...
Is like when you throw to the air 50 cards and you expect them to fall in the correct numerical order. But instead of 50 cards... with like trillions of them.
Or like if you try to throw many bottles of paint randomly to a wall and you paint the Sistine Chapel by accident.
MikeUN wrote:
Well what I mean is that I just feel everything is too accurate, exact, complex and well organized for a random accident...
Is like when you throw to the air 50 cards and you expect them to fall in the correct numerical order. But instead of 50 cards... with like trillions of them.
Or like if you try to throw many bottles of paint randomly to a wall and you paint the Sistine Chapel by accident.
I’ve heard this argument a million times and I’m sick of it’s bullshit.
I made this number by tapping my fingers on the number pad with my eyes closed. There was no deliberate intent behind it.
But this is a large number isn’t it? Yes. And this is a complicated number, isn’t it? Yes.
Things without deisgn behind them can be large and complicated, but they cannot have meaning. And that’s exactly where we come to this universe. It’s vast, it’s complicated. But it has no real meaning.
If this universe were ruled by a benevolent God, you would think it seem like a peaceful and perfect place. But it doesn’t: Lethal diseases kill thousands of people each year. Natural distasters such as volcanic eruptions, mudslides, earthquakes, hurricanes and tidal waves destroy entire villages, kill people and displace them out of their homes. Despite humans supposedly being “God’s perfect creation”, criminals kill, rape and rob tens of thousands of people each day. Predators seem designed to catch prey, prey seemed designed to escape them. Whose side is God on? Could it be that life on this world is in a constant cycle of natural selection and that the universe doesn’t really give a shit about humanity? :O
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Last edited 06 Nov 2009 05:37 pm by Shaun of the Living
MikeUN wrote:
Well what I mean is that I just feel everything is too accurate, exact, complex and well organized for a random accident...
Is like when you throw to the air 50 cards and you expect them to fall in the correct numerical order. But instead of 50 cards... with like trillions of them.
Or like if you try to throw many bottles of paint randomly to a wall and you paint the Sistine Chapel by accident.
I’ve heard this argument a million times and I’m sick of it’s bullshit.
I made this number by tapping my fingers on the number pad with my eyes closed. There was no deliberate intent behind it.
But this is a large number isn’t it? Yes. And this is a complicated number, isn’t it? Yes.
Things without deisgn behind them can be large and complicated, but they cannot have meaning. And that’s exactly where we come to this universe. It’s vast, it’s complicated. But it has no real meaning.
If this universe were ruled by a benevolent God, you would think it seem like a peaceful and perfect place. But it doesn’t: Lethal diseases kill thousands of people each year. Natural distasters such as volcanic eruptions, mudslides, earthquakes, hurricanes and tidal waves destroy entire villages, kill people and displace them out of their homes. Despite humans supposedly being “God’s perfect creation”, criminals kill, rape and rob tens of thousands of people each day. Predators seem designed to catch prey, prey seemed designed to escape them. Whose side is God on? Could it be that life on this world is in a constant cycle of natural selection and that the universe doesn’t really give a shit about humanity? :O
the thing is that I think that probably is a superior being to us.
But, it is not the buisness of that being to bring peace.
Humans are the responsibles no one else.
The wars and lack of peace is our problem. No one has to solve the problems of others and less when we have the power to decide.
The number you gave is large for a human yea.
Complex no.
Human does not know what is real complex.
I have read articles, magazines and seen programs where most brillians minds in the world have said that all the creation is so complex that they end feeling fool, because their possible answer does not make sense at all.
Actually if you saw many documentals of topics like Science vs Religion.
The top tiers of science side end saying that everything is a real miracle or something like that.
I do not say there is a fantastic world like heaven or anything like that. Just that something has the power to create the universe we “know”.
MikeUN wrote:
Well what I mean is that I just feel everything is too accurate, exact, complex and well organized for a random accident...
Is like when you throw to the air 50 cards and you expect them to fall in the correct numerical order. But instead of 50 cards... with like trillions of them.
Or like if you try to throw many bottles of paint randomly to a wall and you paint the Sistine Chapel by accident.
I’ve heard this argument a million times and I’m sick of it’s bullshit.
I made this number by tapping my fingers on the number pad with my eyes closed. There was no deliberate intent behind it.
But this is a large number isn’t it? Yes. And this is a complicated number, isn’t it? Yes.
Things without deisgn behind them can be large and complicated, but they cannot have meaning. And that’s exactly where we come to this universe. It’s vast, it’s complicated. But it has no real meaning.
If this universe were ruled by a benevolent God, you would think it seem like a peaceful and perfect place. But it doesn’t: Lethal diseases kill thousands of people each year. Natural distasters such as volcanic eruptions, mudslides, earthquakes, hurricanes and tidal waves destroy entire villages, kill people and displace them out of their homes. Despite humans supposedly being “God’s perfect creation”, criminals kill, rape and rob tens of thousands of people each day. Predators seem designed to catch prey, prey seemed designed to escape them. Whose side is God on? Could it be that life on this world is in a constant cycle of natural selection and that the universe doesn’t really give a shit about humanity? :O
the thing is that I think that probably is a superior being to us.
But, it is not the buisness of that being to bring peace.
Humans are the responsibles no one else.
The wars and lack of peace is our problem. No one has to solve the problems of others and less when we have the power to decide.
The number you gave is large for a human yea.
Complex no.
Human does not know what is real complex.
How do you figure we don’t?
Also if you want to say that then your previous statement about things being too complex and too “in order” is a controdiction to the statement you just made.
I have a couple points to bring up,
1. The human mind is actually programmed so to speak to see order. If you look at the planets you will see order. But let’s say you look at something like this:
To an alien being this may look normal. To us, it looks odd. Does it not?
The fact is we are programmed to see order in the universe.
2. As for complexity and chance. This is simple to debunk. The “THE UNIVERSE COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED BY CHANCE!" argument is silly. Firstly, you cannot apply chances and such to events that already happened. It’s like saying after you get heads after you flip a coin the chances of getting heads was 50%. No. It’s 100% chance you got heads since you got it.
The chances of the universes happening may have been low but that doesn’t matter.
Say we have 1,000,000,000,000,000 100 sided die. Yes this seems like a crazy amount of die to have I know but it’s okay. Do you realize whatever you roll is so unlikely to happen it isn’t funny?
Let’s say the degrees matter on how you roll. Multiply that number by 360.
Do you realize how unlikely it is to roll what you rolled? VERY unlikely. Yet you rolled it the first time and it’s staring you right in the face.
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