| 13 May 2009 03:56 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14  Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 1,615 OFFLINE | "so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.
Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.
I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life
Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.
I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.
are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?
I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough."
To qoute myself | |
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| 13 May 2009 03:57 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
You’re both going to Hell as far as I’m concerned >:-)
Oh immense evil spirit...and why do you hope that? | |
| 13 May 2009 03:59 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 37 Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 2,578 OFFLINE | Voyager wrote:
Khorib wrote:
You’re both going to Hell as far as I’m concerned >:-)
Oh immense evil spirit...and why do you hope that?
I can smell the sin on you both. Your souls are mine!
* laughs maniacally and wriggles fingers together*
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| 13 May 2009 04:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 1,615 OFFLINE | "secondly i thought to be a TRUE christian you had to live a life parallel (or very similar) to Christ and wasn’t about questioning faith at all but being a person that reflects (roughly) the actions and life of christ. Christianity isn’t just defined by belief in God but also that Jesus is the son and human manifestation of God.
There are about 2 billion christians on earth... that leaves 4 billion people that don’t beleive in christ as their savior...are those 4 billion going to hell because they didn’t accept Christ as their savior? Are they bad people? What kind of loving God would codemn so much of his own creation?
Here is some more math, 5 billion people beleive in some “higher power” or “greater purpose” (that second one is for bhuddists) that still leaves a whopping 1 billion people that openly reject the idea of deities or those who are too busy to give a rats ass about something higher than them cause they have their own lives to focus on.
The daunting questions here is :
Do you have to believe in God to live a christ like life or even just be a really good person?
Is it really necessary When trying to convert somebody to your religion to even mention your faith at all? Can’t you use the unspoken Christ like actions (this includes all behaviors of christ including the unspoken invocations of your word) to possibly convert them? Even if you fail to convert them that day or never, the impact of your actions could change their life and they maybe not be a self-proclaimed christian but because of you they are now living a good life in reflection of Christ."
-to qoute me again | |
| 13 May 2009 04:08 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | bonesboy08 wrote:
“so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.
Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.
I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life
Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.
I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.
are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?
I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough."
To qoute myself
It’s not up to me to judge or condemn. That’s God’s turf. My belief is that the hiearchy (sp?)
of the Roman Catholic Church is basically evil and non-Christian. Other than that, your post is too long for me to answer every point here. | |
| 13 May 2009 04:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 37Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 2,578 OFFLINE | Voyager wrote:
bonesboy08 wrote:
“so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.
Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.
I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life
Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.
I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.
are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?
I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough."
To qoute myself
It’s not up to me to judge or condemn. That’s God’s turf. My belief is that the hiearchy (sp?)
of the Roman Catholic Church is basically evil and non-Christian. Other than that, your post is too long for me to answer every point here.
To be honest, nowadays I have more respect for the catholic church than for the evangelicals and born-agains. I don’t mind the Episcopalians either.
The majority of the Protestant christian groups actually make me believe if evil did exist in the world, then they are the center of it...
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| 13 May 2009 04:14 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 1,615 OFFLINE | silverspirit do you have type positive or type negative symptoms?
the fact you have schizophrenia alone should be eneough,if god exists,to let you in heaven. No torment the devil can imagine in hell matches the infinite struggle that is your life and i only wish i could help you. even a damaged god like the abrahamic one theoretically should understand the daily struggle you go through on top of just making it day to day...
Schizophrenia is yet another reason why i doubt a God | |
| 13 May 2009 04:17 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
Voyager wrote:
bonesboy08 wrote:
“so let me get this straight if for some odd reason it is true there is a God, heaven,devil, hell, ect. You think only christains are going there? Then you have outlined one of the most basic and major reasons that people are leaving christianity. It is one of the many reasons i left it but if that was the only reason it wouldn’t be enough and i would still be a catholic at least and they believe that Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven... they are the ones that came up with the living a christ like life without believing in god or christ theory...after all your unspoken actions are the ones that count in god’s eyes.
Hell Jeffery Dahmer was a born again christian and believed in God do you honestly think he would go to heaven just on belief.
I am not saying if their was a God that not believing in him wouldn’t be a thorn in his side but if he was truly forgiving he would judge your actions more than your beliefs. After all aren’t your actions a sign to god whether you beleive in him or not... don’t these actions demonstrate your love/belief for him on a scale that far surpasses your words and belief and this pertains to people that live a christ like life who don’t believe in him or just want to live a good life
Have you ever wondered what that feeling was when you DID something good and you knew it? I suppose christians like you interpret it as God.
I see it as a sudden rush of blood and hormones to my brain called temporary and valid euphoria; yes it has a scientific explanation.
are you really gonna codemn another human being like me to hell for not believing in God?
I don’t think your any less of a person for believing in God so why insult me by saying i am going to some imaginary place of pain and torment or if you beleieve the “sinners” will just be left behind isn’t that hell enough."
To qoute myself
It’s not up to me to judge or condemn. That’s God’s turf. My belief is that the hiearchy (sp?)
of the Roman Catholic Church is basically evil and non-Christian. Other than that, your post is too long for me to answer every point here.
To be honest, nowadays I have more respect for the catholic church than for the evangelicals and born-agains. I don’t mind the Episcopalians either.
The majority of the Protestant christian groups actually make me believe if evil did exist in the world, then they are the center of it...
Which is exactly what the Bible prophesies for this period in time. You will turn to a religion that will “tickle your ears”. A feel good religion. | |
| 13 May 2009 04:17 pm |
Thinking bout' life Rep: 61 Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 17,572 OFFLINE | nope | |
| 13 May 2009 04:19 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Khorib wrote:
You’re both going to Hell as far as I’m concerned >:-)
Oh immense evil spirit...and why do you hope that?
I can smell the sin on you both. Your souls are mine!
* laughs maniacally and wriggles fingers together*
Idiot! That’s BBQ ribs. | |
| 13 May 2009 04:20 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 1,615 OFFLINE | lol | |
| 13 May 2009 04:21 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | King Boo wrote:
nope
NOW who are you responding to Boo, oh yee of inability to use site controls properly. | |
| 13 May 2009 04:23 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 1,615 OFFLINE | to sum it up just be a good person and you don’t need to be a service to God but a service to mankind. for serving man and all of “creation” you are doing a great service to that fictional character in the sky... this creation is God’s,if he exists connection to you Last edited 13 May 2009 04:26 pm by bonesboy08 | |
| 13 May 2009 04:25 pm |
some one new is here Guest | bonesboy08 wrote:
to sum it up just be a good person and you don’t to be a service to God but a service to mankind
If only it were that easy. | |
| 13 May 2009 04:27 pm |
some one new is here Guest | bonesboy08 wrote:
silverspirit do you have type positive or type negative symptoms?
the fact you have schizophrenia alone should be eneough,if god exists,to let you in heaven. No torment the devil can imagine in hell matches the infinite struggle that is your life and i only wish i could help you. even a damaged god like the abrahamic one theoretically should understand the daily struggle you go through on top of just making it day to day...
Schizophrenia is yet another reason why i doubt a God
Long hair makes me doubt barbers | |
| 13 May 2009 04:28 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | bonesboy08 wrote:
to sum it up just be a good person and you don’t need to be a service to God but a service to mankind. for serving man and all of “creation” you are doing a great service to that fictional character in the sky... this creation is God’s,if he exists connection to you
Wrong. Service is works, Faith is what is necessary for Grace. | |
| 13 May 2009 04:30 pm |
silverspirit2001 Guest | Both positive (both delusion and hallucinations), and negative.
Which is the point, showing how little christians research or understand. With delusional thinking, logically I know that people cannot see my thoughts, but does not stop me believing that they do.
So if atheism is a delusional thought process, giving my “faith” in atheism, and using my process of logic backs that assertion, does that mean I have no choice to believe or not in god?
If I have no choice in choosing, does that mean I have no soul?
Am I culpable for committing any sin even if I understand the secular laws, but cannot due to my delusional thinking in their being no god, understand gods laws?
Can someone medically incapable of faith, sin? | |
| 13 May 2009 04:32 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | You have no culpability if you have no “mense resa” (sp?). Last edited 13 May 2009 04:32 pm by Voyager | |
| 13 May 2009 05:08 pm |
silverspirit2001 Guest | Voyager wrote:
You have no culpability if you have no “mense resa” (sp?).
mens rea is a common law term, with no basis I have seen in the bible.
My problem is different, in that I can intellectually see a humanistic basis for morality (slightly modified since I do cut myself for pleasure), but not an emotional basis for good and evil, or more importantly a logical basis linking a lot of sins with good and evil. | |
| 13 May 2009 05:20 pm |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 232 OFFLINE | silverspirit2001 wrote:
Voyager wrote:
You have no culpability if you have no “mense resa” (sp?).
mens rea is a common law term, with no basis I have seen in the bible.
My problem is different, in that I can intellectually see a humanistic basis for morality (slightly modified since I do cut myself for pleasure), but not an emotional basis for good and evil, or more importantly a logical basis linking a lot of sins with good and evil.
Thanks Spirit, I appreciate the spelling correction.  | |
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