bonesboy08 wrote:
some one new wrote:
bonesboy08 wrote:
some one new wrote:
bonesboy08 wrote:
wait I see now that i have read your post again... but it is proven your more scientific when your born and your emotions at that time are geared at self gratification... and if pleasing god by helping others gets you there then fine... atheist’s just took out the middle man in that statement
Well...its hard to explain but its not about doing it to please God only. But it is an emotional responsibility. Atheists on the other hand don’t have the responsibility to be empathetic, kind and love people they just do. However they are just as empathetic as they are rational (if not more rational). As we move away from religion (as the statistics suggest) we may become permissable of anything as long as it seems reasonable and rational. And if it doesn’t we can seek scientific analyzation if their is an innate programing or a physical condition that causes the problem. Eventually the people who have the problems will try to seek acceptance or at least compassion. Eventually gain it. Hitler for example, supposably suffered from a mental condition which ran in his family (rather than him simply being an evil person). Ivan the terrible had mercury poisening. Do you understand what I’m saying?
are u saying atheist’s don’t believe in evil as the cause well your partially right...
Well it is true we don’t beleive in evil the same way u do. we look at it as the product rather than the cause ... if you think about it that is why psychology came into existance... to find the cause to people’s behavior rather than blame it on a posseseion or an evil nature.
what you don’t understand is why we do this. scientists don’t anylyze a psycho’s life to bring them compassion,though often they will recieve some, we still beleive their actions are wrong and that they should be justly punished but they are still human.
let me give you an example my aunt is schizophrenic and one day she stole a radio from best buy and when we confronted her about it, at first she blamed it on her illness, but eventually
she came around and paid the fine for the radio. Now you see, stealing the radio could have been part of her on going delusion of communist spies listening to her. Put that aside though and she realized she was wrong for stealing and for giving into her delusions. she was still punished but it was made aware she is not a monster
you see waht i am getting at?
It is like you are saying our beliefs are too liberal but really they are within reason. what makes them liberal is where we apply open thought and that is what makes us compassionate
It is the fear of change, acceptance,tolerance and thing that are new that convervative politics and religion is failing. You fail to understand it is not christian to be compassionate ...it is human
On issues we have yet to solve we don’t immediately give credit to a deity or demon like you do but we study it and find a reason for it to be
You say its within reason but think about it, anything can seriously be justified through reason and logic.
James D. Watson, an Atheist, believes through his research that African Americans were genetically inferior.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watson[/url]
These ideas during his time could have legitimized the ideas of racism etc. from a scientific perspective. Nowadays we changed our beliefs on that because we know otherwise. And now we know that people are all equal. But I digress.
“Open thinkers” (Atheists) found ways to legitimize the social norms of Society (you can’t blame it all on religion
)Slaves suffering from a sickness that “made them want to be free”.
Now were moving in a different direction, the new age mind set of all things are permissable as long as it doesn’t harm anyone, but the threshold is going higher if you understand what I mean.
no that was emotional appeal or personal bias sure that may appear to be logic but really it is an emotion based feeling called hate and as you know hate is illogical but you have to admit it is a strong driving force that can misconstrued logical thinking. like wise i am sure you can find genes that if looked at in a biased point of view would make blacks superior to whites... it is all about perception.
HUmans are like i said,usually, not totally one way or the other...unless they are ill.
if you feel i am attacking christians I am not... there is the exception to the rule ... there are “open minded” christians and “narrow -minded” atheists but even you admited that atheist tend to be more logical thus more open minded and christians tend to be more conservative
and if we want to talk about people legitimizing their hate i should mention the fact that southern white baptist’s formed the KKK and there is the crusades, as well as the good christians who condoned slavery and segregration, once the blacks were free, cause their bible said they were inferior (still does, and yes i have read the bible ... it condones slavery as well as treating women as doormats but i digress)
change whether good or bad must be followed through to the end...
you see even if that change is bad we can “change” it for the better. It is the people that are not on board and become traditional that get left behind and they become a hinderance to the rest of us (if there is enough of them)and bad 'change' comes about... which is often referred to as regression
Racism, the politically taboo discussion.
Unfortunately all the discussions on the hereditary and environmental factors are based on the news headlines.
Asking for a substantive debate into race and intelligence is deemed to infringe on some philosophical views on equality, driven in part by guilt by Hitler using insufficiently evidenced theory for his own political ideals.
But this view is wrong, as in, equality is based on the interests of people, e.g. how you live your life is a choice others should not decide for you.
The prevailing view of equality most presented in the media is that their is no difference in the races, and that only environmental factors play a role, somewhat supported by genetics, which has not shown a general genetic difference in the races.
This is mildly problematic, as saying equal rights is dependent on equal intelligence of the races, forces the racist to genuflect to the next genius they meet. And in the end, it can be used to generate an Orwellian view, some animals are more equal than others.
To reiterate, equality is based on the interests of people, do not define equality in terms of their capacity.
Then their can be a rational debate, and hopeful improve understanding of racial differences to the benefit of all humankind - after all, the average black person has a substantially better spatial awareness IQ than all the other races, suggesting they would be better architects.
If you could use that ability to teach children, it would help engage their interest and improve the average education attainment of black people.
And I would say that would be a positive thing.
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