| 21 Jun 2009 10:17 am |
Regular Rep: 7  Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 485 OFFLINE | If evil is a problem, then progress as a goal is only needed to be continued to eventually eliminate this problem. Preventing yourself from eliminating this problem because you don’t want to achieve your goal (which would render you unable to make further progress) is a stupid idea because once your goal is achieved the concept of needing to progress towards it is rendered invalid.
I have an answer for this, but due to my bad English, I find it hard to describe. Would you like to give me some time to describe the answer? | | | | 21 Jun 2009 10:26 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 39 Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 3,365 OFFLINE | HellRider wrote:
If evil is a problem, then progress as a goal is only needed to be continued to eventually eliminate this problem. Preventing yourself from eliminating this problem because you don’t want to achieve your goal (which would render you unable to make further progress) is a stupid idea because once your goal is achieved the concept of needing to progress towards it is rendered invalid.
I have an answer for this, but due to my bad English, I find it hard to describe. Would you like to give me some time to describe the answer?
LOL you’re asking for permission. Honestly, I wouldn’t care much if you didn’t answer at all... but yeah... take weeks if you want.
 | | | 21 Jun 2009 12:45 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 20Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 1,439 OFFLINE | Hi GPlex, good argument. I would add though that God is everywhere EXCEPT in the hearts of all men (meaning people). In order for God to be within, the person must, by Free Will, allow or invite God in. Therefore, I stand slightly corrected, that God is not absolutely everywhere, only everywhere outside man. As for measurements, I will have to think about that. You are correct to say that hot and cold, light and dark are on a scale. Hmmm, let me get back to you. ---
Thanks Agent Turtle for the Sig! | | | 21 Jun 2009 07:05 pm |
Nonsense won't be tolerated Rep: 72 Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 7,292 OFFLINE | TiggerLover wrote:
Hi GPlex, good argument. I would add though that God is everywhere EXCEPT in the hearts of all men (meaning people). In order for God to be within, the person must, by Free Will, allow or invite God in. Therefore, I stand slightly corrected, that God is not absolutely everywhere, only everywhere outside man. As for measurements, I will have to think about that. You are correct to say that hot and cold, light and dark are on a scale. Hmmm, let me get back to you.
God is everywhere, except in all people, but god is only in the outside of people, to not be evil is to let god inside you, but god is not in all people.
Alright that doesn’t make sense to me. Anyway, it seems to me that you want to redefine your god as love or peace. Both are subjective emotional meanings that differ for each person. If I am mistaken, can you define what your god means to you?
Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
 | | | 21 Jun 2009 07:08 pm |
Nonsense won't be tolerated Rep: 72Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 7,292 OFFLINE | riptorn311 wrote:
Agreed...good and evil are neutral until put on our own set of emotional scales and even then emotions themselves are neutral. It’s how we mentally and physically percieve emotions that determine whether they are good or bad to that individual.
Neutral seems like the wrong word to use. But I agree with your last sentence.
Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
| | | 23 Jun 2009 05:34 am |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 485 OFFLINE | If evil is a problem, then progress as a goal is only needed to be continued to eventually eliminate this problem. Preventing yourself from eliminating this problem because you don’t want to achieve your goal (which would render you unable to make further progress) is a stupid idea because once your goal is achieved the concept of needing to progress towards it is rendered invalid.
You are right, but there’s many kinds of evil - defeating all of those we know now would take at last a millenium, ane many new kinds can come out of nowhere. Defeating all evil is whle resin of progress very existence and if we will eliminate all wrong things in the world, it would means, that we reached humanity’s final evolutional stage, so we would be at last redy to live in world where everything is good and right. If it would be eliminated today by God’s order, we couldn’t be able to stand it, because we are not redy yet. To be, we must fight to eliminate it ourselves. | | | 23 Jun 2009 07:29 am |
Nonsense won't be tolerated Rep: 72Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 7,292 OFFLINE | HellRider wrote:
If evil is a problem, then progress as a goal is only needed to be continued to eventually eliminate this problem. Preventing yourself from eliminating this problem because you don’t want to achieve your goal (which would render you unable to make further progress) is a stupid idea because once your goal is achieved the concept of needing to progress towards it is rendered invalid.
You are right, but there’s many kinds of evil - defeating all of those we know now would take at last a millenium, ane many new kinds can come out of nowhere. Defeating all evil is whle resin of progress very existence and if we will eliminate all wrong things in the world, it would means, that we reached humanity’s final evolutional stage, so we would be at last redy to live in world where everything is good and right. If it would be eliminated today by God’s order, we couldn’t be able to stand it, because we are not redy yet. To be, we must fight to eliminate it ourselves.
War against evil? Sound like a never ending war, just like the war on terror.
Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
| | | 23 Jun 2009 09:33 am |
Regular Rep: 8 Joined: 27 Apr 2009 Posts: 699 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
riptorn311 wrote:
Agreed...good and evil are neutral until put on our own set of emotional scales and even then emotions themselves are neutral. It’s how we mentally and physically percieve emotions that determine whether they are good or bad to that individual.
Neutral seems like the wrong word to use. But I agree with your last sentence.
I could have used the word “moot”...It fits as well...
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts | | | 24 Jun 2009 07:47 am |
Regular Rep: 7Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 485 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
HellRider wrote:
If evil is a problem, then progress as a goal is only needed to be continued to eventually eliminate this problem. Preventing yourself from eliminating this problem because you don�t want to achieve your goal (which would render you unable to make further progress) is a stupid idea because once your goal is achieved the concept of needing to progress towards it is rendered invalid.
You are right, but there’s many kinds of evil - defeating all of those we know now would take at last a millenium, ane many new kinds can come out of nowhere. Defeating all evil is whle resin of progress very existence and if we will eliminate all wrong things in the world, it would means, that we reached humanity’s final evolutional stage, so we would be at last redy to live in world where everything is good and right. If it would be eliminated today by God’s order, we couldn’t be able to stand it, because we are not redy yet. To be, we must fight to eliminate it ourselves.
War against evil? Sound like a never ending war, just like the war on terror.
Terror is also evil :P Hoever, way goverments are using in this war is most stupid, and fucked up thing they ever come with. Hoever, real war in evil happens now, in laboratories, where sciencists invents things, that will made our life better. Yes, it looks like and endless war, because “with every new way to save life comes hundred new ways to die” [Random Spider-Man Quotes], but with little faith we can belive it’s not, even if we will not live enoug to see it’s end. | | | 24 Jun 2009 07:54 am |
Nonsense won't be tolerated Rep: 72Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 7,292 OFFLINE | HellRider wrote:
Gplex wrote:
HellRider wrote:
If evil is a problem, then progress as a goal is only needed to be continued to eventually eliminate this problem. Preventing yourself from eliminating this problem because you don�t want to achieve your goal (which would render you unable to make further progress) is a stupid idea because once your goal is achieved the concept of needing to progress towards it is rendered invalid.
You are right, but there’s many kinds of evil - defeating all of those we know now would take at last a millenium, ane many new kinds can come out of nowhere. Defeating all evil is whle resin of progress very existence and if we will eliminate all wrong things in the world, it would means, that we reached humanity’s final evolutional stage, so we would be at last redy to live in world where everything is good and right. If it would be eliminated today by God’s order, we couldn’t be able to stand it, because we are not redy yet. To be, we must fight to eliminate it ourselves.
War against evil? Sound like a never ending war, just like the war on terror.
Terror is also evil :P Hoever, way goverments are using in this war is most stupid, and fucked up thing they ever come with. Hoever, real war in evil happens now, in laboratories, where sciencists invents things, that will made our life better. Yes, it looks like and endless war, because “with every new way to save life comes hundred new ways to die” [Random Spider-Man Quotes], but with little faith we can belive it’s not, even if we will not live enoug to see it’s end.
Someone will always perceive something as evil. Terror is not always evil. Eg, the terror some people feel when they go on the roller coaster. Yes, we know we can make it better, that’s why so many of us keep on trying.
Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
| | | 07 Jul 2009 01:52 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 24 Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 2,001 OFFLINE | Humans mostly determine evil only by how it effects us we usually dont consider how things we may think are bad effect other things ---
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