Well congrats for standing up for your beliefs,I’m Christian,but I don’t care what Religion(Or if you are Atheist) you have,I’m not going to shove Religion down your throat like the rest of my Religion.
Geass wrote:
Well congrats for standing up for your beliefs,I’m Christian,but I don’t care what Religion(Or if you are Atheist) you have,I’m not going to shove Religion down your throat like the rest of my Religion.
I don’t really think it’s that big a deal to be an atheist anymore. It’s practically trendy. lol. It’s great though that you’ve moved past those bronze aged myths called religions. Most people are still unable to do so.
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daledude wrote:
I don’t really think it’s that big a deal to be an atheist anymore. It’s practically trendy. lol. It’s great though that you’ve moved past those bronze aged myths called religions. Most people are still unable to do so.
I was atheist few years ago... but I do not know the universe is so complex and everything and armony is so perfect for a randome accident in my way to see it.
It is like if you throw some paint bottles to a wall and by accident you paint the Sistine Chapel, with the difference that we are talking about billions of galaxies, stars planets, atoms....
It is likely impossible to discover the origin of the matter and why each atom has the properties that we “know”:
daledude wrote:
I don’t really think it’s that big a deal to be an atheist anymore. It’s practically trendy. lol. It’s great though that you’ve moved past those bronze aged myths called religions. Most people are still unable to do so.
I was atheist few years ago... but I do not know the universe is so complex and everything and armony is so perfect for a randome accident in my way to see it.
It is like if you throw some paint bottles to a wall and by accident you paint the Sistine Chapel, with the difference that we are talking about billions of galaxies, stars planets, atoms....
It is likely impossible to discover the origin of the matter and why each atom has the properties that we “know”:
You have flawed logic.
You say the universe is complicated, so it must have some intelligent design behind it. However, to explain this already complicated universe, you propose and even more complicated being: God, with knowledge of everything and the power to do anything, God must be INCREDIBLY complicated. But doesn’t that beg that God must have some kind of even more complicated God-maker that created him? And what about the even more complicated God-maker-maker who made the God-maker? And so on, forever, until you accept that, at some point, something did not need a designer. And, by the laws of Occams razor; if something complicated does not need a designer, why raise further creators than necessary to explain the existence of a complicated universe when the universe could exist as a complicated being in it’s own right.
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daledude wrote:
I don’t really think it’s that big a deal to be an atheist anymore. It’s practically trendy. lol. It’s great though that you’ve moved past those bronze aged myths called religions. Most people are still unable to do so.
I was atheist few years ago... but I do not know the universe is so complex and everything and armony is so perfect for a randome accident in my way to see it.
It is like if you throw some paint bottles to a wall and by accident you paint the Sistine Chapel, with the difference that we are talking about billions of galaxies, stars planets, atoms....
It is likely impossible to discover the origin of the matter and why each atom has the properties that we “know”:
You have flawed logic.
You say the universe is complicated, so it must have some intelligent design behind it. However, to explain this already complicated universe, you propose and even more complicated being: God, with knowledge of everything and the power to do anything, God must be INCREDIBLY complicated. But doesn’t that beg that God must have some kind of even more complicated God-maker that created him? And what about the even more complicated God-maker-maker who made the God-maker? And so on, forever.
It does not matter.... I doubt human will find answers to many things.
In my point of view the human knowledge and logic is so poor and tiny that it becomes something relative and of 0 importance to the universe.
For example just try to answer me
How can the matter exist and which is the origin of matter?
Also according to enthropy plantes, life and other stuff should not even exist. Life should be impossible. Still things ended and have a very complex structure.
With our “knowledge” we keep contradicting to our selfs one time and again and again and again to forever.
Also Is possible to paint by accidente Sistine Chape of Miguel Angel? What are the chances that our universe could exist by accident?
MikeUN wrote:
It does not matter.... I doubt human will find answers to many things.
Don’t avoid answering my question, you sneaky little faggot.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view the human knowledge and logic is so poor and tiny that it becomes something relative of 0 importance.
What are you talking about?! Humans have an incredible amount of knowledge about the universe we live in. We know about atoms, the foundation of all matter itself. We know about waves which make up electromagnetic radiation. We have knowledge of the processes behind tectonic plates and continental drift, which create the very mountains and valleys themselves. We’ve discovered gravity which causes matter to be attracted to each other. Hell, we’ve even split the atom and flown to the moon. And our knowledge is increasing all the time. Perhaps one day we will be God-like ourselves in a way that your imaginary deity never was.
MikeUN wrote:
For example just try to answer me
How can the matter exist and which is the origin of matter?
Also according to enthropy plantes, life and other stuff should not even exist. Life should be impossible. Still things ended and have a very complex structure.
I don’t know the answers to all of life’s questions. But that doesn’t mean we should take all the gaps in our knowledge and say “GOD DID IT!"
Thousands of years ago, when we did not know what caused lightning, we said God threw down electricity from the heavens. Then we found out what DID cause lightning, but we still assumed God had spontaneously generated all life on Earth. Then Darwin explained the process of evolution through natural selection and we had a scientific basis for explaining how modern species on earth evolved from previous species. Now even some people have started to accept this is how humans came to be, but still assign God to the position of creator of the Big Bang. It seems to me that the more we seem to know about the universe, the less God’s role in it seems to be, because people can only try to fit his position to roles we have no explanation for.... doesn’t that seem a bit suspicious?
MikeUN wrote:
Also this question is the important one:
Is possible tp paint by accidente Sistine Chape of Miguel Angel? What are the chances that our universe could exist by accident?
I will answer that question and address the logical fallacies behind it. But before I do, I want YOU to tell me this:
Is it more logical to assume that the most complicated being with absolute knowledge and absolute power over everything suddenly appeared out of nowhere and created the universe?....
Or that the universe simply exists in it’s own right?
MikeUN wrote:
It does not matter.... I doubt human will find answers to many things.
Don’t avoid answering my question, you sneaky little faggot.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view the human knowledge and logic is so poor and tiny that it becomes something relative of 0 importance.
What are you talking about?! Humans have an incredible amount of knowledge about the universe we live in. We know about atoms, the foundation of all matter itself. We know about waves which make up electromagnetic radiation. We have knowledge of the processes behind tectonic plates and continental drift, which create the very mountains and valleys themselves. We’ve discovered gravity which causes matter to be attracted to each other. Hell, we’ve even split the atom and flown to the moon. And our knowledge is increasing all the time. Perhaps one day we will be God-like ourselves in a way that your imaginary deity never was.
MikeUN wrote:
For example just try to answer me
How can the matter exist and which is the origin of matter?
Also according to enthropy plantes, life and other stuff should not even exist. Life should be impossible. Still things ended and have a very complex structure.
I don’t know the answers to all of life’s questions. But that doesn’t mean we should take all the gaps in our knowledge and say “GOD DID IT!"
Thousands of years ago, when we did not know what caused lightning, we said God threw down electricity from the heavens. Then we found out what DID cause lightning, but we still assumed God had spontaneously generated all life on Earth. Then Darwin explained the process of evolution through natural selection and we had a scientific basis for explaining how modern species on earth evolved from previous species. Now even some people have started to accept this is how humans came to be, but still assign God to the position of creator of the Big Bang. It seems to me that the more we seem to know about the universe, the less God’s role in it seems to be, because people can only try to fit his position to roles we have no explanation for.... doesn’t that seem a bit suspicious?
MikeUN wrote:
Also this question is the important one:
Is possible tp paint by accidente Sistine Chape of Miguel Angel? What are the chances that our universe could exist by accident?
I will answer that question and address the logical fallacies behind it. But before I do, I want YOU to tell me this:
Is it more logical to assume that the most complicated being with absolute knowledge and absolute power over everything suddenly appeared out of nowhere and created the universe?....
Or that the universe simply exists in it’s own right?
take it easy pal ^_^ you can call me however you want, but it is not good to get angry.
I am not trying to avoid you question. It just simply matters. As I told you I have read articles, magazines and seen programs where most brillians minds in the world have said that all the creation is so complex that they end feeling fool, because their possible answer does not make sense at all.
Actually if you saw many documentals of topics like Science vs Religion.
The top tiers of science side end saying that everything is a real miracle or something like that.
I do not say there is a fantastic world like heaven or anything like that. Just that something has the power to create the universe we “know”.
The top tiers of science see that we are ignorant and our logic and “knowledge” is useless.
The things that we belived we knew we find out later that we were wrong.
“I only know that I know nothing”
If you can find the “logical” answers tell me.
Human could spend all his life and he is never going to find the answers.
Only thing we can do is enjoy our lifes.
You could try to spend all you time know if it exists or not, and in the end nothing matters, how hard you try. It would be a total lose of time.
When more we learn more we realize that we are ignorants and our logic is insignificant.
It is irrelevant if you belive or not. It wont help to make you a better person or anything like that.
We all share the same end. We all are going to die. It is part of a Natural event.
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
Exactly I am not quoting the God from Bible from first.
If you read space Odyssey you will get the idea of what I have in mind.
it is like the science fiction version of God beings that evolved to no limits. In this case probably something that evolved so much or something like that.
Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
Exactly I am not quoting the God from Bible from first.
If you read Odyssey you will get the idea of what I have in mind.
I have read the story. It was actually a requirement. So you believe there are higher life forms basically.
Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
There is no such thing as 'highly evolved' or 'more evolved'.
Look at the Native Americans. They were perfectly content living a tribal existence without cars, skyscrapers, computers etc before Europeans came along, but we still judged them as primitive because people seem to have the idea that evolution is some kind of ladder to greatness. It’s not. There is no progress, only change.
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Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
Exactly I am not quoting the God from Bible from first.
If you read Odyssey you will get the idea of what I have in mind.
I have read the story. It was actually a requirement. So you believe there are higher life forms basically.
Okay, I see exactly what you’re saying now.
Yea It is supposed that Iam from a catholic faimly but I do not do anything of my religion asks XD
I just belive there is something super complex that did crazy but amazing things at the same time.
Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
There is no such thing as 'highly evolved' or 'more evolved'.
Look at the Native Americans. They were perfectly content living a tribal existence without cars, skyscrapers, computers etc before Europeans came along, but we still judged them as primitive because people seem to have the idea that evolution is some kind of ladder to greatness. It’s not. There is no progress, only change.
I think you see what I mean though. I suppose Highly evolved wasn’t the right word. I mean higher on the food chain and such.
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