Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
There is no such thing as 'highly evolved' or 'more evolved'.
Look at the Native Americans. They were perfectly content living a tribal existence without cars, skyscrapers, computers etc before Europeans came along, but we still judged them as primitive because people seem to have the idea that evolution is some kind of ladder to greatness. It’s not. There is no progress, only change.
I think you see what I mean though. I suppose Highly evolved wasn’t the right word. I mean higher on the food chain and such.
Well if you’re speaking in terms of technological development, yes, there could be beings out there like the Xel’Naga from Starcraft or the Shinigami from Death Note whose technology is so advanced it seems like magic (Clark’s third law). Who knows, humans could be like that one day.
But MikeUN is still talking bullshit about intelligent design. There may be God-like beings out there, but I know for sure they did not create us.
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
There is no such thing as 'highly evolved' or 'more evolved'.
Look at the Native Americans. They were perfectly content living a tribal existence without cars, skyscrapers, computers etc before Europeans came along, but we still judged them as primitive because people seem to have the idea that evolution is some kind of ladder to greatness. It’s not. There is no progress, only change.
I think you see what I mean though. I suppose Highly evolved wasn’t the right word. I mean higher on the food chain and such.
Well if you’re speaking in terms of technological development, yes, there could be beings out there like the Xel’Naga from Starcraft or the Shinigami from Death Note whose technology is so advanced it seems like magic (Clark’s third law). Who knows, humans could be like that one day.
But MikeUN is still talking bullshit about intelligent design. There may be God-like beings out there, but I know for sure they did not create us.
Urey Miller found the way to produce amino acides so it is not impossible that something superior gave origin to other things.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Indalecio wrote:
Though I’d like to know exactly what kind of “higher power” Mike means.
I would easily submit to the idea that there could be higher powers out there, but it wouldn’t be the God of the Bible.
It could be other life forms that have evolved passed us.
I will give a game example. Let’s say the protoss from star craft exist. They are a higher power from us. They have made ships capable of light speed travel, weapons that can create black holes, and weapons that can lay waste to planets. They also seem to have a psyonic bond and power to them. As well as a more developed anatomy.
Then we have the Xel-Naga, from the same series. Basically it went around and helped other races evolve. It is a race described to be not only returning but “A key to the end of all things”
Meaning if this is true, they are highly evolved beings. Almost like Gods so to speak. In fact the Protoss worshipped them as Gods.
Now let’s compare us to them. Sure we have significant knowledge, but it is miniscule when compared to THAT kind of stuff.
Those are the kind of higher powers I believe exist(Not that I am saying Protoss and Xel-Naga are actual races, though I suppose races that are similar could exist, I am just saying that there are probably more advanced things than us out there.)
I do not think there is some all powerful, all knowing, all present, and and all loving entity out there.
There is no such thing as 'highly evolved' or 'more evolved'.
Look at the Native Americans. They were perfectly content living a tribal existence without cars, skyscrapers, computers etc before Europeans came along, but we still judged them as primitive because people seem to have the idea that evolution is some kind of ladder to greatness. It’s not. There is no progress, only change.
I think you see what I mean though. I suppose Highly evolved wasn’t the right word. I mean higher on the food chain and such.
Well if you’re speaking in terms of technological development, yes, there could be beings out there like the Xel’Naga from Starcraft or the Shinigami from Death Note whose technology is so advanced it seems like magic (Clark’s third law). Who knows, humans could be like that one day.
But MikeUN is still talking bullshit about intelligent design. There may be God-like beings out there, but I know for sure they did not create us.
No, they probably had absolutly nothing to do with our creation, or anything to do with our planet. I think we would have found signs by now. If they wanted to create us and such they would have surely left signs for us. I know if we found a civilization in space we would send signs out there for them to know(most likely)
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am not trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
I always kind of wondered about the possibility of some race advancing so far that they were able to “transcend” the universe, space and time and ended up creating our universe in some sort of self-fulfilling loop...
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
I am amazed at your evidence and knowledge on the subject. You are very rational and know completely what you’re talking about, and you are NOT making a “God of the Gaps” fallacy.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I always kind of wondered about the possibility of some race advancing so far that they were able to “transcend” the universe, space and time and ended up creating our universe in some sort of self-fulfilling loop...
That is what I mean. T_T sorry hard for me to explain since english is not my first language.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I always kind of wondered about the possibility of some race advancing so far that they were able to “transcend” the universe, space and time and ended up creating our universe in some sort of self-fulfilling loop...
That is what I mean. T_T sorry hard for me to explain since english is not my first language.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I always kind of wondered about the possibility of some race advancing so far that they were able to “transcend” the universe, space and time and ended up creating our universe in some sort of self-fulfilling loop...
That is what I mean. T_T sorry hard for me to explain since english is not my first language.
I guessed that. Where are you from?
sorry shy to say. :P A hint I speak spanish.
*By the way I wrote accidentaly I am trying
I meant I am not trying to make a fantastic happy story.
Just considering the possibily of a time/space/other stuff natural event that could have created something very complex that formed big bang or similar idea.
We are just humans. There is some stuff that to be honest I hardly doubt we could find because I belive in science and I know it broken to try to find out the answers of some stuff.
This planet has a time limit and unless we do something crazy on time to survive. I highly doubt we could answer many things.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am not trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
But why does it have to be an accident. An accident implies there intelligence behind it. It’s like saying snow falling is an accident. Or lightning forming is an accident. We know how that stuff happens now. Now we know it’s be natural process, not just by some random chance. But you may ask, why did these physical laws of nature come about? Well we can only look to the Big Bang. It is just the properties that came from that, Eventually it’s an I don’t know answer. Which is fine. We, in our life time, or even 1000 life times may not be able to answer, but that’s okay. The things we have found answers for turn out to be natural causes. It’s only fair to reason that so could the orgin of scientific laws of the universe too have a natural cause.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am not trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
But why does it have to be an accident. An accident implies there intelligence behind it. It’s like saying snow falling is an accident. Or lightning forming is an accident. We know how that stuff happens now. Now we know it’s be natural process, not just by some random chance. But you may ask, why did these physical laws of nature come about? Well we can only look to the Big Bang. It is just the properties that came from that, Eventually it’s an I don’t know answer. Which is fine. We, in our life time, or even 1000 life times may not be able to answer, but that’s okay. The things we have found answers for turn out to be natural causes. It’s only fair to reason that so could the orgin of scientific laws of the universe too have a natural cause.
Well sorry maybe the word accident was not the proper one. As you say a natural event. Well the idea is that I agree in some way with the idea of Clark in space Odyssey.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am not trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
But why does it have to be an accident. An accident implies there intelligence behind it. It’s like saying snow falling is an accident. Or lightning forming is an accident. We know how that stuff happens now. Now we know it’s be natural process, not just by some random chance. But you may ask, why did these physical laws of nature come about? Well we can only look to the Big Bang. It is just the properties that came from that, Eventually it’s an I don’t know answer. Which is fine. We, in our life time, or even 1000 life times may not be able to answer, but that’s okay. The things we have found answers for turn out to be natural causes. It’s only fair to reason that so could the orgin of scientific laws of the universe too have a natural cause.
Well sorry maybe the word accident was not the proper one. As you say a natural event.
So why can’t a natural event such as the Big Bang occur without any kind of person behind it? So far the evidence does not point to that. Do we know a lot about the universe? Well obviously I can’t answer that. But we seem to have a lot of research and such about it. For all we know, we may have .00000000000000000000000001% of 1 to the 10^900 power of .00000000000001% knowledge about the universe.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am not trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
But why does it have to be an accident. An accident implies there intelligence behind it. It’s like saying snow falling is an accident. Or lightning forming is an accident. We know how that stuff happens now. Now we know it’s be natural process, not just by some random chance. But you may ask, why did these physical laws of nature come about? Well we can only look to the Big Bang. It is just the properties that came from that, Eventually it’s an I don’t know answer. Which is fine. We, in our life time, or even 1000 life times may not be able to answer, but that’s okay. The things we have found answers for turn out to be natural causes. It’s only fair to reason that so could the orgin of scientific laws of the universe too have a natural cause.
Well sorry maybe the word accident was not the proper one. As you say a natural event.
So why can’t a natural event such as the Big Bang occur without any kind of person behind it? So far the evidence does not point to that. Do we know a lot about the universe? Well obviously I can’t answer that. But we seem to have a lot of research and such about it. For all we know, we may have .00000000000000000000000001% of 1 to the 10^900 power of .00000000000001% knowledge about the universe.
But anyway, yeah. lol. I rambled there.
Yea but as I said in my edited post maybe something helped to shape the universe as we know it. Because the chances are a little bit low for my taste.
It is actually because I believe in probability. Probability is why I doubt that the universe was shapped byitself as we know it.
MikeUN wrote:
In my point of view with the few knowledge we have it is not impossible to think that some like colapse between dimensions, time, space and other stuff gave origin to something that could think and give a shape to everything because it was alone.
I am not saying I know what made the universe, but that doesn’t mean God came out of nowehere and magically created it.
Pal I am not saying with magic... I am not trying to tell fantastic magical story. Just that probably some time/space/other stuff accident created something very superior and could have created something like big bang or who knows.
But why does it have to be an accident. An accident implies there intelligence behind it. It’s like saying snow falling is an accident. Or lightning forming is an accident. We know how that stuff happens now. Now we know it’s be natural process, not just by some random chance. But you may ask, why did these physical laws of nature come about? Well we can only look to the Big Bang. It is just the properties that came from that, Eventually it’s an I don’t know answer. Which is fine. We, in our life time, or even 1000 life times may not be able to answer, but that’s okay. The things we have found answers for turn out to be natural causes. It’s only fair to reason that so could the orgin of scientific laws of the universe too have a natural cause.
Well sorry maybe the word accident was not the proper one. As you say a natural event.
So why can’t a natural event such as the Big Bang occur without any kind of person behind it? So far the evidence does not point to that. Do we know a lot about the universe? Well obviously I can’t answer that. But we seem to have a lot of research and such about it. For all we know, we may have .00000000000000000000000001% of 1 to the 10^900 power of .00000000000001% knowledge about the universe.
But anyway, yeah. lol. I rambled there.
Yea but as I said in my edited post maybe something helped to shape the universe as we know it. Because the chances are a little bit low for my taste.
It is actually because I believe in probability. Probability is why I doubt that the universe was shapped byitself as we know it.
But the evidence doesn’t point in that direction.
I believe in probablity too. It’s a great thing, but you can’t apply it to things that have already occured. Such as the universe and everything in it forming. You can’t apply probability to that happening.
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