Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
so we are dumb and smart in some areas? ok. tell me this, not the presidents now but the presidents in the beggining, do you think the majarity of them were smart?
You mean the people who established freedom of religion who were mostly DEISTS and not Christians? Sure they were. For their time.
not christians? im pretty sure that all presidents have been christians so far, or atleast thats what i learned from my social studies teacher. that could be the dumbest thing ive ever said or the dumbest thing youv ever said.
gtg bbl cya. u do have good points idelecio and you r defenently smarter than i am. It is hard debating with you because i am no religion master however i still believe.
Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
not christians? im pretty sure that all presidents have been christians so far, or atleast thats what i learned from my social studies teacher. that could be the dumbest thing ive ever said or the dumbest thing youv ever said.
Check out the ecumennical teachings of jesus christ by our second president....
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Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
not christians? im pretty sure that all presidents have been christians so far, or atleast thats what i learned from my social studies teacher. that could be the dumbest thing ive ever said or the dumbest thing youv ever said.
nah lots of the founding fathers were deists, and I am not convinced every president was legit Christian if they claimed to be. Since 80% of America is Christian, they would want a Christian president ya know? So I am sure lots of the presidents' christianty is an act. Even so, lots of smart people have been Christians. It doesn’t mean it is correct. A Christian is the one who proposed the Big Bang Theory. Darwin I believe was once religious as well, for awhile.
yeah but this and politics are particulary dangerous. The sheer threat of these two makes the great white (my avatar) look as threating as a goldfish. It maybe a terror to maybe 13 people a year but politics and religioon can affect millions or even billions on a daily basis. so many people lose their lives over religion because a: they are using it as a tool to gain power or b: they use it as a chance to discriminate agaianst their neighbor
The Surfer wrote:
Yes,any organized group can be dangerous for that matter.
careful there is a difference between a sadistic, mindless, cult and a organized group. one fucking bombs building and subways in tokyo Japan and the other can actually be beneficial if the superiors of the group are using a positive form of group think. like ghandi vs hitler kind of group think. It isn’t the group as a whole that is the problem(though the whole group is ultimately responsible for its actions), but the masterminds that pull the strings (you get rid of them it might end it totally but at least it stops the plague from spreading...well as fast assuming they don’t got a bigger idiot to replace them)
The Surfer wrote:
Yes,any organized group can be dangerous for that matter.
careful there is a difference between a sadistic, mindless, cult and a organized group. one fucking bombs building and subways in tokyo Japan and the other can actually be beneficial if the superiors of the group are using a positive form of group think. like ghandi vs hitler kind of group think. It isn’t the group as a whole that is the problem(though the whole group is ultimately responsible for its actions), but the masterminds that pull the strings (you get rid of them it might end it totally but at least it stops the plague from spreading...well that’s assuming they don’t have a bigger idiot to replace them)
Thats the core problem though....no offense bout the corrections, thought it was a typo...
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The Surfer wrote:
Yes,any organized group can be dangerous for that matter.
well any person can kill just some have characteristics that make them more likely to do it (psychology 101) and one method that seems to work on evereybody is social pressure and manipulation...and as many know from experience u have the inner urge/desire/instinct to go with a given crowd
The Surfer wrote:
Yes,any organized group can be dangerous for that matter.
careful there is a difference between a sadistic, mindless, cult and a organized group. one fucking bombs building and subways in tokyo Japan and the other can actually be beneficial if the superiors of the group are using a positive form of group think. like ghandi vs hitler kind of group think. It isn’t the group as a whole that is the problem(though the whole group is ultimately responsible for its actions), but the masterminds that pull the strings (you get rid of them it might end it totally but at least it stops the plague from spreading...well that’s assuming they don’t have a bigger idiot to replace them)
Thats the core problem though....no offense bout the corrections, thought it was a typo...
yeah, who decides what groups will be beneficial and which ones are harmful? No one can possibly know how a group will turn out at the end. By looking at history and studying the present group we can not only predict if the group weathers time but if it is a nuissance or a blessing to society. poltics is a working progress and it has firm ground to stand on (though occasionally it takes a step back)I see organized religion failing because it lacks the firm ground politics has thus it has a weak structure. since the leaders of these groups determine what the deity/s says/thinks/or does, that is why religions have denominations (just to have their own bit of power). in politics they are elected/appointed by the people. but, in religion they are often put into power because they tell their followers that “god” said they should be in control. God in this sense is a tool for people to empower themselves and manipulate others into believing what they believe and making people do as they say
The Surfer wrote:
Yes,any organized group can be dangerous for that matter.
careful there is a difference between a sadistic, mindless, cult and a organized group. one fucking bombs building and subways in tokyo Japan and the other can actually be beneficial if the superiors of the group are using a positive form of group think. like ghandi vs hitler kind of group think. It isn’t the group as a whole that is the problem(though the whole group is ultimately responsible for its actions), but the masterminds that pull the strings (you get rid of them it might end it totally but at least it stops the plague from spreading...well that’s assuming they don’t have a bigger idiot to replace them)
Thats the core problem though....no offense bout the corrections, thought it was a typo...
yeah, who decides what groups will be beneficial and which ones are harmful? No one can possibly know how a group will turn out at the end. By looking at history and studying the present group we can not only predict if the group weathers time but if it is a nuissance or a blessing to society. poltics is a working progress and it has firm ground to stand on (though occasionally it takes a step back)I see organized religion failing because it lacks the firm ground politics has thus it has a weak structure. since the leaders of these groups determine what the deity/s says/thinks/or does, that is why religions have denominations (just to have their own bit of power). in politics they are elected/appointed by the people. but, in religion they are often put into power because they tell their followers that “god” said they should be in control. God in this sense is a tool for people to empower themselves and manipulate others into believing what they believe and making people do as they say
You can get a fairly good idea of whats going on by looking at the doctrine and the dogma with the question in mind: “Is this going to be beneficial to mankind?"...I’ll say it again. There are too many Ideals and not enough Ideas in the world...
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Haylias wrote:
Religion is not dangerous, how it is used and twisted to fit the believers personal will is.
I agree to an extent. But the whole purpose of religion really is to control the masses, which CAN be dangerous. With the fear mongering the Bible does, it is dangerous to young minds amirite? So it is some what BOTH.
Haylias wrote:
Religion is not dangerous, how it is used and twisted to fit the believers personal will is.
Religion is dangerous, because it allows human beings, who dont have all the answers to think that they do.
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so what? thats like saying its dangorouse for a kid to think 2+2=7. it doesnt matter, if it was fake then it would be just someone not knowing a fact that is not vital to live or vital for others safety.
Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
so what? thats like saying its dangorouse for a kid to think 2+2=7. it doesnt matter, if it was fake then it would be just someone not knowing a fact that is not vital to live or vital for others safety.
Another example of small minded thinking...think about society as a whole thinking that 2+2=7...How many scientific experiments would be ruined??..You give a real bad example....You have to look at the big picture...Its not one or two people think...Its millions and millions think 2+2=7....That CAN be detrimental...
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Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
so what? thats like saying its dangorouse for a kid to think 2+2=7. it doesnt matter, if it was fake then it would be just someone not knowing a fact that is not vital to live or vital for others safety.
Huh. Someone has never read 1984.
Okay, go read it, get to the 2+2=5 scene and THEN tell me thinking that is not dangerous.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts
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