Is Religion Dangerous?

Yeah, let’s let children think we are all held down by sin instead of gravity. What’s the harm?
Let’s let children think the holocaust never happened. What’s the harm?
Let’s let children think 9/11 didn’t happen. What’s the harm?


This list can go on.

Pandora wrote: 2+2 is obviously 5. 8-)

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ok, let the children believe there is a god. really what is the harm? you tell me.

thanks to Chaos Theory for the sig.

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: ok, let the children believe there is a god. really what is the harm? you tell me.

As long as they don’t let religion get in the way with scientific discoveries and education then there is no harm.

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: ok, let the children believe there is a god. really what is the harm? you tell me.

Because believing in a God means that they will probably believe the bible is true... and that their pastors are true...

Therefore hate against Homosexuals, non-believers, Jews... the list goes on.

Judicator Aldaris wrote:

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: ok, let the children believe there is a god. really what is the harm? you tell me.

As long as they don’t let religion get in the way with scientific discoveries and education then there is no harm.

Impossible as long as there are “religious agendas”...You’ve seen them...Creationism in school...Stem cell research...Gay bashers...etc etc etc...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote:

Judicator Aldaris wrote:

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: ok, let the children believe there is a god. really what is the harm? you tell me.

As long as they don’t let religion get in the way with scientific discoveries and education then there is no harm.

Impossible as long as there are “religious agendas”...You’ve seen them...Creationism in school...Stem cell research...Gay bashers...etc etc etc...

I know, I was thinking more like a deistic perspective. Some one who happens to have a belief in God, but also believes in the evidence.
I know that sounds contradictory, but what I mean is, they just like the idea of a god being there, but do not attribute him as a savior of any sort. More like a higher power parent type figure I guess.

But sadly, it becomes “Gays are the bane of existence and will go to hell!" and “If you don’t believe in Jesus you worship Satan."

IMO keeping religion to oneself is fine and dandy. However, most religions promote making it public, mingling with other things like science and, often, other people in society, which can range from hating someone because they’re a different religion to their sexual orientation.
Often religion has a very shit way of working with everything else when it’s forced to. Christianity is the staple of such a thing, of course. Granted it is a large sector, it’s commonly anti-science to some sort of degree, and sort of promotes hate and...what’s the word...demoralizing? eh anyway...sort of making people hate the religion they’re in, kind of forcing them to join Christianity out of guilt (the whole thing with hell after all).
There are some religions and “religions” that do pretty much promote good will and, practically, promote society today in all the good. Sciences and whatnot. Overall, religion just doesn’t work in the large scale because it wants to sort of take over, say “I’m right, you’re wrong” type of thing.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: IMO keeping religion to oneself is fine and dandy. However, most religions promote making it public, mingling with other things like science and, often, other people in society, which can range from hating someone because they’re a different religion to their sexual orientation.
Often religion has a very shit way of working with everything else when it’s forced to. Christianity is the staple of such a thing, of course. Granted it is a large sector, it’s commonly anti-science to some sort of degree, and sort of promotes hate and...what’s the word...demoralizing? eh anyway...sort of making people hate the religion they’re in, kind of forcing them to join Christianity out of guilt (the whole thing with hell after all).
There are some religions and “religions” that do pretty much promote good will and, practically, promote society today in all the good. Sciences and whatnot. Overall, religion just doesn’t work in the large scale because it wants to sort of take over, say “I’m right, you’re wrong” type of thing.

That defeats the whole “purpose” of religion

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Religion- Holocaust (Yes propaganda but still jews were being killed)

science- Hiroshima & Nagasaki of and aids

The MASK wrote: Religion- Holocaust (Yes propaganda but still jews were being killed)

science- Hiroshima & Nagasaki of and aids

Sorry mask but Fail...
science-safe drinking water, smallpox vaccine, life expectancy 3 to 4 times what i was 100 years ago, all medicne, all technology(like that computer your typing on)...Hell, The Food We Eat...all because science

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

Judicator Aldaris wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

Judicator Aldaris wrote:

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: ok, let the children believe there is a god. really what is the harm? you tell me.

As long as they don’t let religion get in the way with scientific discoveries and education then there is no harm.

Impossible as long as there are “religious agendas”...You’ve seen them...Creationism in school...Stem cell research...Gay bashers...etc etc etc...

I know, I was thinking more like a deistic perspective. Some one who happens to have a belief in God, but also believes in the evidence.
I know that sounds contradictory, but what I mean is, they just like the idea of a god being there, but do not attribute him as a savior of any sort. More like a higher power parent type figure I guess.

But sadly, it becomes “Gays are the bane of existence and will go to hell!" and “If you don’t believe in Jesus you worship Satan.“

Thats the problem when you try to placate an imaginary vindictive ego...It has a snowball effect and others begin to do the same...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote:

The MASK wrote: Religion- Holocaust (Yes propaganda but still jews were being killed)

science- Hiroshima & Nagasaki of and aids

Sorry mask but Fail...
science-safe drinking water, smallpox vaccine, life expectancy 3 to 4 times what i was 100 years ago, all medicne, all technology(like that computer your typing on)...Hell, The Food We Eat...all because science

I’m trying to be all “Blargh god way deep in my anus” I was trying crash towards LoL not GTFO

Counter though

Science just gave a bunch supremacist theist the ability to create poisons and viruses for the computers on which we all view our porn.

riptorn311 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: IMO keeping religion to oneself is fine and dandy. However, most religions promote making it public, mingling with other things like science and, often, other people in society, which can range from hating someone because they’re a different religion to their sexual orientation.
Often religion has a very shit way of working with everything else when it’s forced to. Christianity is the staple of such a thing, of course. Granted it is a large sector, it’s commonly anti-science to some sort of degree, and sort of promotes hate and...what’s the word...demoralizing? eh anyway...sort of making people hate the religion they’re in, kind of forcing them to join Christianity out of guilt (the whole thing with hell after all).
There are some religions and “religions” that do pretty much promote good will and, practically, promote society today in all the good. Sciences and whatnot. Overall, religion just doesn’t work in the large scale because it wants to sort of take over, say “I’m right, you’re wrong” type of thing.

That defeats the whole “purpose” of religion

I don’t think going around trying to convert people or force one’s opinions onto others as many religions do is the whole purpose of religion, though I should reiterate that when I say “keep to oneself” I mean keep among those like you I.E. Christians discussing Christian ideas themselves, not trying to go around and stop science among various other things they’re renowned for doing.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: IMO keeping religion to oneself is fine and dandy. However, most religions promote making it public, mingling with other things like science and, often, other people in society, which can range from hating someone because they’re a different religion to their sexual orientation.
Often religion has a very shit way of working with everything else when it’s forced to. Christianity is the staple of such a thing, of course. Granted it is a large sector, it’s commonly anti-science to some sort of degree, and sort of promotes hate and...what’s the word...demoralizing? eh anyway...sort of making people hate the religion they’re in, kind of forcing them to join Christianity out of guilt (the whole thing with hell after all).
There are some religions and “religions” that do pretty much promote good will and, practically, promote society today in all the good. Sciences and whatnot. Overall, religion just doesn’t work in the large scale because it wants to sort of take over, say “I’m right, you’re wrong” type of thing.

That defeats the whole “purpose” of religion

I don’t think going around trying to convert people or force one’s opinions onto others as many religions do is the whole purpose of religion, though I should reiterate that when I say “keep to oneself” I mean keep among those like you I.E. Christians discussing Christian ideas themselves, not trying to go around and stop science among various other things they’re renowned for doing.

Go and make deciples of all the nations mean anything to you?

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

The MASK wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

The MASK wrote: Religion- Holocaust (Yes propaganda but still jews were being killed)

science- Hiroshima & Nagasaki of and aids

Sorry mask but Fail...
science-safe drinking water, smallpox vaccine, life expectancy 3 to 4 times what i was 100 years ago, all medicne, all technology(like that computer your typing on)...Hell, The Food We Eat...all because science

I’m trying to be all “Blargh god way deep in my anus” I was trying crash towards LoL not GTFO

Counter though

Science just gave a bunch supremacist theist the ability to create poisons and viruses for the computers on which we all view our porn.

LMAO..I never said to GTFO...counter conceeded...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts

riptorn311 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: IMO keeping religion to oneself is fine and dandy. However, most religions promote making it public, mingling with other things like science and, often, other people in society, which can range from hating someone because they’re a different religion to their sexual orientation.
Often religion has a very shit way of working with everything else when it’s forced to. Christianity is the staple of such a thing, of course. Granted it is a large sector, it’s commonly anti-science to some sort of degree, and sort of promotes hate and...what’s the word...demoralizing? eh anyway...sort of making people hate the religion they’re in, kind of forcing them to join Christianity out of guilt (the whole thing with hell after all).
There are some religions and “religions” that do pretty much promote good will and, practically, promote society today in all the good. Sciences and whatnot. Overall, religion just doesn’t work in the large scale because it wants to sort of take over, say “I’m right, you’re wrong” type of thing.

That defeats the whole “purpose” of religion

I don’t think going around trying to convert people or force one’s opinions onto others as many religions do is the whole purpose of religion, though I should reiterate that when I say “keep to oneself” I mean keep among those like you I.E. Christians discussing Christian ideas themselves, not trying to go around and stop science among various other things they’re renowned for doing.

Go and make deciples of all the nations mean anything to you?

Christian thing from the Bible I’m assuming? Yeah, that’s why I said that most religions don’t keep to themselves and decide to mingle with things.

riptorn311 wrote:

The MASK wrote:

riptorn311 wrote:

The MASK wrote: Religion- Holocaust (Yes propaganda but still jews were being killed)

science- Hiroshima & Nagasaki of and aids

Sorry mask but Fail...
science-safe drinking water, smallpox vaccine, life expectancy 3 to 4 times what i was 100 years ago, all medicne, all technology(like that computer your typing on)...Hell, The Food We Eat...all because science

I’m trying to be all “Blargh god way deep in my anus” I was trying crash towards LoL not GTFO

Counter though

Science just gave a bunch supremacist theist the ability to create poisons and viruses for the computers on which we all view our porn.

LMAO..I never said to GTFO...counter conceeded...

Okay your a guy who fails to see my brand of humor.

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Anything can be dangerous.

Some things are more dangerous than others.

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: how is it dangerous Indalecio, i read Riptorns post on the other thread, but that still doesn’t explain why Christians are dangerous. We at least try to follow the bible and that doesn’t tell us to kill and prosecute. Sure maybe in the old testament its had some crazy stuff, but then again it states not to do that in the New testament which is more about our time.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. (Matthew 5:17 NAB )
A loving God wouldn’t have written the Old Testament in the first place. What happened to his absolute moral standard? The unchanging Alpha and Omega my ass.

RedCalibur9 wrote: Independent thought is not needed for life, so taking it away isn’t dangerous at all.

So would you be perfectly happy living in Hitler’s Germany or Stalin’s Russia?

RedCalibur9 wrote:
I’m pretty sure “danger” implies physical harm, so yeah.

Religion causes plenty of that. But psychological harm can be just as bad.

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote: what does intellectual mean?

LOL

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
ok well christians dont support muslim religion either, so why bash us? christians dont do any crazy stuff like that so dont waste your time trying to convert us.

Christianity has probably killed more people in the past than Islam, although at the moment Islam is more of a threat.

Nevertheless, Christianity has violent origins. Homocidal, sexist, homophobic, delusional scriptures THAT STILL EXIST TODAY even if they are ignored by most people (some, Like Fred Phelps, stick closer to Bible canon). Origins are still important in this respect.

Nobodies forcing you to debate with us anyway, so why complain?

RedCalibur9 wrote:
Who says science and religion can’t mix? That’s stupid.

Because science contradicts religious teachings.

RedCalibur9 wrote: Neither of us can prove the existence of God, so it doesn’t matter.

Why does an omnipotent God have such a hard time proving he exists?

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
ok well please do not be of that low of a class to acually get mad at us for believing something that 80% of the world believes.

No matter how many people support it, it won’t make it any less wrong.

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
Indelecio, do you think America is a dumb and stupid nation?

Okay, this wasn’t directed at me, but I just want to say that I think there are a lot of stupid people in general, wherver you go.

Haylias wrote: Religion is not dangerous, how it is used and twisted to fit the believers personal will is.

The Bible and Quran are horrible. Some religions like Jainism are alright, though, but sometimes they go overboard with the whole pacifism thing to me.

Mecha Agent Turtle 00T wrote:
so what? thats like saying its dangorouse for a kid to think 2 2=7. it doesnt matter, if it was fake then it would be just someone not knowing a fact that is not vital to live or vital for others safety.

Wtf! Things like mathematics and science are ESSENTIAL to modern society.

Haylias wrote: Huh. Someone has never read 1984.1984.1984.1984. 1984.1984.1984.1984.1984.1984. 1984.1984.1984.1984.1984.1984. 1984.1984.

Bout damn time you showed up shaun....This malarky has been making me laugh all night...

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts