Haylias wrote:
Religion is not dangerous, how it is used and twisted to fit the believers personal will is.
that is if they are doing it good the deity will still be used as a tool by a decendant somewhere down the line. as an atheist that tool is gone and you decided to do good on your own. there is no need for the deity it was just a method to fall back on to, that in the past was used as an effective threat to yield immediate results. I don’t live in fear of an omnipotent’s punishment... there is already too much to worry about in this life. I don’t worry about my “soul” and a fiery afterlife.
I left christianity not for a title,atheist,though i use this title (given by people to categorize or put me in a group)to describe my belief as best as the definition can, but to relieve the “fear” of God. What people fail to see is you don’t need to be part of any religious group or any type of group for that matter to be a good person ( you alone make the decision to do what is right or wrong). Religion may have been a good idea at first but once it became fundamental and traditional it failed to meet its own purpose. i am sure when those fire fighters risked their own lives to try and save the victims of 9/11 attacks that the victims felt that god had worked through them to help save them. and that is my final point... you need to give credit where credit is due and that soley belongs to the firefighter... what if some of those firemen were secular and the person had said, “god helped you” if i were him i would have said “no, I made the decision alone to save you and i alone chose to do what is right... i need no God to do right”
Dogma is dangerous, religion just happens to be full of it.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Yea Im sure those people who flew planes into a few buildings wouldn’t have done anything like that if they didnt have blind faith in their religion.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
RageOverdose wrote:
Yeah, religion is only dangerous if there are enough mindless followers.
Religion isn’t inherently dangerous.
Religions influence people’s behaviour. That much is obvious. But if a certain religion (Christianity, Islam etc.) is violent in it’s scripture, and it’s scripture influences people, then that makes it a violent influence. So yes, religions can be evil or peaceful in their own right, whether their followers truly obey their teachings or not.
Nobody is saying to ban or force religion on people, just arguing over whether it can be dangerous or not. Hell, I think violent video games can influence people to be violent, just like movies or books or anything else, but I don’t want to ban them for anyone else because in my opinion that would be unnecessary censorship on a problem that’s not too dramatic. Also, I would be concerned over what implications banning them would have for freedom of expression. The same goes for religion.
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riptorn311 wrote:
Definitly when you look at it from a science standpoint..We all know religion and science doesn’t mix...So tell me, where would you be if not for the panoply of scientific advancements?
Who says science and religion can’t mix? That’s stupid.
Start at 41 minutes into the video....or watch the whole movie...its great!
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King Boo wrote:
Religion can be dangerous, so can lack of religion. But it mostly depends on the person or people, or government.
If you have a society that somewhat dependant on religion, and then it is suddenly taken away... then yes, no religion can be dangerous.
But then again, look at Japan. After WWII, the emperor, whom they thought was their god basically, was made to renounce his godly status in which he had to announce this to his people. Besides the sudden shock... the people moved on and have made more societal and scientific headway than almost all other countries.
King Boo wrote:
Religion can be dangerous, so can lack of religion. But it mostly depends on the person or people, or government.
If you have a society that somewhat dependant on religion, and then it is suddenly taken away... then yes, no religion can be dangerous.
But then again, look at Japan. After WWII, the emperor, whom they thought was their god basically, was made to renounce his godly status in which he had to announce this to his people. Besides the sudden shock... the people moved on and have made more societal and scientific headway than almost all other countries.
It also depends on the religion and it’s customs. Like Islam, which talks of a “Holy War” in it’s book. Some radical Muslims came to the conclusion that this “Holy War” was supposed to be with the U.S. so they attacked us. But religions like Buddism usually don’t lead to violence, most of the time it prevents it.
Uncyc wrote:
In the afterlife lack of religion is dangerous.
Proof please?
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