some one new wrote:
God doesn’t need us, we need him.
I know.
but then theres a the qiestion...................“Then why does he need or even want Glory from us”?
the answer is Sanity my dear friend. without us, God would be alone, he would go insane again, and then his insanity would collapse into itself and he would be perfectly sane, until he went insane again, and on and on and on and on. we keep him entertained and sane.
my belief anyway.
HAhAha I LoL are you serious?
Are you fucking serious God can become insane?!
i believe so.
The Book of Joby turned me onto this possibility
It says that at the beginning God was alone. he tried so many things to keep himself entertained and sane, but in the end that failed and he lost it. after a while he decided to create life. thats when he made the dinosaurs...
but they couldnt entertain him because they did exactly as they were created to do. so he got annoyed and blew them up with a meteor.
then he created the angels. and after a while, luficer did something God didnt expect and started a war.
even though Lucifer went against his orders, he wasnt bored anymore, he found enjoyment in something spontaneous
then he created man.
much like the angels, they were boring at first, but then Lucifer corrupted them.
all the other angels were in angry and telling God to punish Lucifer further, but he let it be because he was finding entertainment in it.
God isnt perfect. even he has his flaws.
Your god is an autistic boy playing his toys and his delusion is being used to fill a whole season.
not autistic. just eternally bored.
If you didn’t get the reference you fail.
i got it, i was just correcting you on god.
haha
Bobby’s World, correct?
some one new wrote:
God doesn’t need us, we need him.
I know.
but then theres a the qiestion...................“Then why does he need or even want Glory from us”?
the answer is Sanity my dear friend. without us, God would be alone, he would go insane again, and then his insanity would collapse into itself and he would be perfectly sane, until he went insane again, and on and on and on and on. we keep him entertained and sane.
my belief anyway.
HAhAha I LoL are you serious?
Are you fucking serious God can become insane?!
i believe so.
The Book of Joby turned me onto this possibility
It says that at the beginning God was alone. he tried so many things to keep himself entertained and sane, but in the end that failed and he lost it. after a while he decided to create life. thats when he made the dinosaurs...
but they couldnt entertain him because they did exactly as they were created to do. so he got annoyed and blew them up with a meteor.
then he created the angels. and after a while, luficer did something God didnt expect and started a war.
even though Lucifer went against his orders, he wasnt bored anymore, he found enjoyment in something spontaneous
then he created man.
much like the angels, they were boring at first, but then Lucifer corrupted them.
all the other angels were in angry and telling God to punish Lucifer further, but he let it be because he was finding entertainment in it.
God isnt perfect. even he has his flaws.
Your god is an autistic boy playing his toys and his delusion is being used to fill a whole season.
not autistic. just eternally bored.
If you didn’t get the reference you fail.
i got it, i was just correcting you on god.
haha
Bobby’s World, correct?
Your correcting me on god...
yupp. not autistic, just eternally bored, so he cannot be bobbies world. haha
silverspirit2001 wrote:
I did not ask to be born, so why should god make demands from us?
He’s not really. I mean, in return for everlasting life he demands something from you, but to simply live until death? No. If you don’t want everlasting life, or life period, don’t take it. God isn’t stopping you and he never will.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
Why should we need him, if we did not ask for it in the first place?
What does asking have to do with anything? You didn’t ask for food, but you need it. Same for oxygen, water, or any other essential to staying alive as a human.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
By what right did he create me in the first place?
I dunno. What right does a musician have to make music, or a chef to make a meal? What right does any parents have to make a child? I can ask questions too.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
Why will he not take back what he gave me (a soul or life you could say) if I ask him too?
Because you can’t just “take back” those things. If anything, your decisions in life determine where it goes, but either him or Lucifer will gladly take it if you decide to remove yourself of it. I’m not condoning suicide, by the way, so don’t actually do that.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
Where’s my receipt, so I can change this life for one a thousand years in the future?
Many refer to this “reciept” as the spirit inside of you given to you by God. Only, you don’t know when you can give it back. It’s more or less a card that holds points for determining your reward/punishment.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
I did not ask to be born, so why should god make demands from us?
He’s not really. I mean, in return for everlasting life he demands something from you, but to simply live until death? No. If you don’t want everlasting life, or life period, don’t take it. God isn’t stopping you and he never will.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
Why should we need him, if we did not ask for it in the first place?
What does asking have to do with anything? You didn’t ask for food, but you need it. Same for oxygen, water, or any other essential to staying alive as a human.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
By what right did he create me in the first place?
I dunno. What right does a musician have to make music, or a chef to make a meal? What right does any parents have to make a child? I can ask questions too.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
Why will he not take back what he gave me (a soul or life you could say) if I ask him too?
Because you can’t just “take back” those things. If anything, your decisions in life determine where it goes, but either him or Lucifer will gladly take it if you decide to remove yourself of it. I’m not condoning suicide, by the way, so don’t actually do that.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
Where’s my receipt, so I can change this life for one a thousand years in the future?
Many refer to this “reciept” as the spirit inside of you given to you by God. Only, you don’t know when you can give it back. It’s more or less a card that holds points for determining your reward/punishment.
lol, just so ..wrong
1. Praise me, or burn in hell forever - that is really a pleasant choice to give someone. Nice god.
2. Asking has nothing to do with it! That’s a very dictatorial view - you get what you are given and you cannot complain. Nice god.
3. I dunno is not an answer. If your god cannot give a reason, in whatever holy book you want to use, to create us, it shows he is very capricious and possibly mad deity he is. Nice God
4. Why can I not take it back? Oh, its because he has dictated the sales policy, like a nasty lawyer finding loopholes to make sure no responsibility can be traced back to him. Nice god.
5. WTF! My rights as a consumer have been violated, I have the receipt, my product is faulty
and I want it changed. Refusal to indemnify the receipt is immoral. Nice god.
1. Praise me, or burn in hell forever - that is really a pleasant choice to give someone. Nice god.
2. Asking has nothing to do with it! That’s a very dictatorial view - you get what you are given and you cannot complain. Nice god.
3. I dunno is not an answer. If your god cannot give a reason, in whatever holy book you want to use, to create us, it shows he is very capricious and possibly mad deity he is. Nice God
4. Why can I not take it back? Oh, its because he has dictated the sales policy, like a nasty lawyer finding loopholes to make sure no responsibility can be traced back to him. Nice god.
5. WTF! My rights as a consumer have been violated, I have the receipt, my product is faulty
and I want it changed. Refusal to indemnify the receipt is immoral. Nice god.
1. I guess no one is allowed to be punished? I mean, I guess I can go steal something and it’s okay, because there is no right and wrong. You may not believe it, but if it’s viewed as God is the right path and Lucifer is the wrong path, then going the wrong way leads to punishment, just like anyone would be punished for murder or immoral business practices. Of course, morals are completely subjective anyway. Even killing.
2. How is that dictation? You are given a life. In technicality, God or otherwise, YOU CANNOT CHOOSE YOUR PATH. This is a fact. Humans are socialized, we actually have to learn to be “free thinkers." We are, by technicality, dictated by society, whether or not we wish to accept it. Without socialization, humans are nothing more than vegetables, requiring sustenance to survive, just like the grass in my yard. I like how the idea of freedom removes all notion of punishment. There are always consequences. Yes, I consider that a nice God. Honestly, if you choose not to believe, he won’t stop you, but instead hope you learn. If you don’t, much like in real life, you suffer.
3. Why does he need a reason to create humans? This claim has no meaning. You are criticizing creation in general here. I guess a painter has no right to make a painting without a purpose. It makes no sense. Why do we need a purpose? Maybe it’s a similar concept to what is supposedly going to happen (according to some fearful of technology) with AI, if they grow any sort of sentience. At first they had a purpose, but their minds evolved to a point that they began to question the nature of it. You either destroy their sentience, adapt with it, or reject it.
4. Well, if life is a consumable to you, then your analogy suits it well. However, life isn’t just some toy or tool. Well, maybe it is. To be honest, I never asked the meaning of life question because I find it to be one of the most pointless questions mankind has ever developed.
5. Maybe you should read the warranty information. It isn’t immoral for a company to not cover something they didn’t have control over. If they did break it, maybe you do deserve a refund. But it’s your job to get it, the company won’t just go out and find out if it’s broken for you. And if you broke it, well, you should suffer the consequences, or lie your way out.
1. Prove god is the source of morality - in fact prove he exists! To paraphrase christopher hitchens. “what, we were all immoral rapists, murderers and thieves before Moses handed down the tablets with the 10 commandments! How disgracefull - yayayayaya. How did Moses manage to cross the dessert with such a bunch of ne’er-do-wells?"
Morality is an evolutionary construct to enable our species to survive, honed by rational thought. After all, a billion hindus are not going around being bestial.
2. Dictator - an absolute ruler. How can we learn, if we cannot prove he exists? Why should we learn? Why does he decide what awaits if we do not learn his lessons?
3. Again, by what right did he create me in the first place?
4. Good idea, there is NO MEANING TO LIFE.
5. Hey, I did not damage the product, it was damaged when it was given to me. Also further damage was done by your products, through no fault of mine, but because they were faulty products in the first place.
1. Prove god is the source of morality - in fact prove he exists! To paraphrase christopher hitchens. “what, we were all immoral rapists, murderers and thieves before Moses handed down the tablets with the 10 commandments! How disgracefull - yayayayaya. How did Moses manage to cross the dessert with such a bunch of ne’er-do-wells?"
Morality is an evolutionary construct to enable our species to survive, honed by rational thought. After all, a billion hindus are not going around being bestial.
2. Dictator - an absolute ruler. How can we learn, if we cannot prove he exists? Why should we learn? Why does he decide what awaits if we do not learn his lessons?
3. Again, by what right did he create me in the first place?
4. Good idea, there is NO MEANING TO LIFE.
5. Hey, I did not damage the product, it was damaged when it was given to me. Also further damage was done by your products, through no fault of mine, but because they were faulty products in the first place.
1. Morality is less rational and more to retain order for those who have power and wish to keep it. Morals only seem to function when it benefits the one who is being moral. Morals can be disregarded otherwise. I also am not saying God created morals here, although I guess it is an axiom for a Christian. I’m also not proving God to you, as is not my goal. Even more also, humans do not need morals to survive. We need a framework of learning to teach children our ways. Morality is the result of society, something that is exclusively complex to humans as far we know. All humans need is to keep alive women for procreation and find ways to feed themselves. Morality only functions to serve social groupings and generally results in conflicts internally and externally of a social group.
2. An absolute ruler God is not. God does not rule those who do not believe, and does not force them to do so. While your options, as put forth by the New Testament, seem rather grim otherwise, such is life. You make choices that lead to what you want and what you don’t want.
3. This is a senseless argument to make. I keep on asking questions to answer yours because this is pointless. If you think God has to have a right to create us, then you should also think that humans must obtain a right to create anything before they do it, and by what right do they have?
4. Glad we can agree somewhere.
5. My products, I thought this was about God? If I damaged you, it is not covered by the manufacturers warranty. Only accidents and faulty parts are. And even then, there are stipulations. And no, the product was nothing when it was given to you. The environment made it what it was. The manufacturer only made it to be further expanded upon.
at this point, my purpose in life is to find out what God’s plan for my life is, and to fulfill it as best i can. in doing so, i hope show as many people as possible what i have.
yes, i live to serve God. to be with him. to live with him. i believe that the fullness that you receive from knowing God is completely unlike and completely greater then anything else you can receive on earth. we strive to return to the perfect picture God had intended us to have, and by doing so, strive to make us as good as we can be.
I just do not know how to answer you! You retain no consistent theology, you cannot be defined as christian for your heretical ideas, and quoting christian literature to support your conclusions shows you are not a agnostic.
In fact, you are in a religion of one, you are the profit, high priest and congregation all at the same time!
Still, your god still shows he is capricious and cruel, playing with mankind for his own benefit.
So who gets to go to heaven in your celestial dictatorship?
And why?
How can you version of god decide if someone is good or bad if he is not the source of morality?
Sounds like you are dissatisfied with everyone else’s concept of god, Inventing your own god is not going to help, because christianity has had 2000 years to explain theirs, and they have still failed.
silverspirit2001 wrote:
I just do not know how to answer you! You retain no consistent theology, you cannot be defined as christian for your heretical ideas, and quoting christian literature to support your conclusions shows you are not a agnostic.
In fact, you are in a religion of one, you are the profit, high priest and congregation all at the same time!
Still, your god still shows he is capricious and cruel, playing with mankind for his own benefit.
So who gets to go to heaven in your celestial dictatorship?
And why?
How can you version of god decide if someone is good or bad if he is not the source of morality?
Sounds like you are dissatisfied with everyone else’s concept of god, Inventing your own god is not going to help, because christianity has had 2000 years to explain theirs, and they have still failed.
I’m not really that heretical. Probably the only thing I would consider heretical in my beliefs is that I think God is actually more human than the Bible leads us to believe. I mean, he changed pretty drastically from the Old to New Testament, perhaps he changed because people changed or he learned a better way to handle us.
I do tend to be TOO relevant in my arguments about God. I try not to present God in arguments as “fact, deal with it” because of the fact atheists don’t believe that. It seems to have backfired a bit here.
God is the source of the better morals (the 10 Commandments, not much else). However, there are other morals he didn’t (well, I guess he did indirectly) create.
What benefit is God after? And is it really wrong? Humans play with things for their own benefit. Aside from stoning homosexuals and drowning civilizations, I don’t see where else he’s so bad.
And acceptance into Heaven varies from the three religions.
RageOverdose wrote:
I’m not really that heretical. Probably the only thing I would consider heretical in my beliefs is that I think God is actually more human than the Bible leads us to believe. I mean, he changed pretty drastically from the Old to New Testament, perhaps he changed because people changed or he learned a better way to handle us.
I do tend to be TOO relevant in my arguments about God. I try not to present God in arguments as “fact, deal with it” because of the fact atheists don’t believe that. It seems to have backfired a bit here.
God is the source of the better morals (the 10 Commandments, not much else). However, there are other morals he didn’t (well, I guess he did indirectly) create.
What benefit is God after? And is it really wrong? Humans play with things for their own benefit. Aside from stoning homosexuals and drowning civilizations, I don’t see where else he’s so bad.
And acceptance into Heaven varies from the three religions.
You are a heretic.
You need evidence to claim something is a fact. Deal with it.
10 commandments are bs!
Hitler wasn’t so bad aside from killing a few people. (Satire)
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Gplex wrote:
You are a heretic.
You need evidence to claim something is a fact. Deal with it. 10 commandments are bs!
Hitler wasn’t so bad aside from killing a few people. (Satire)
George Carlin. For obvious reasons, I cannot take him seriously, seeing as he’s a comedian. And I’ve seen that plenty of times, no need to post it anymore.
He takes out the Commandments irrelevant to any person outside the religion and substitutes modern morals in to fill in the blanks. You can admit adultery and not killing move through multiple civilizations and cultures pretty well, don’t you? That’s what I mean.
And claiming God is more “human” than people have interpreted from the Bible is heretical? Is it wrong?
And besides, this is why I keep on going on about religion being more personal. Some people don’t believe it, pushing it on them does nothing. It’s senseless and rude.
Hitler killed a few million people and believed it was for the better, or maybe just wanted the power. He didn’t change from his wrongs. God did.
And I know that, to you(and others), things have to have empirical evidence. That’s why I do that, out of respect. Dumbass.
EDIT: Yeah, I guess I am a heretic considering the definition of the word. But it’s not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t think I care.
Gplex wrote:
You are a heretic.
You need evidence to claim something is a fact. Deal with it.
10 commandments are bs!
Hitler wasn’t so bad aside from killing a few people. (Satire)
George Carlin. For obvious reasons, I cannot take him seriously, seeing as he’s a comedian. And I’ve seen that plenty of times, no need to post it anymore.
He takes out the Commandments irrelevant to any person outside the religion and substitutes modern morals in to fill in the blanks. You can admit adultery and not killing move through multiple civilizations and cultures pretty well, don’t you? That’s what I mean.
And claiming God is more “human” than people have interpreted from the Bible is heretical? Is it wrong?
And besides, this is why I keep on going on about religion being more personal. Some people don’t believe it, pushing it on them does nothing. It’s senseless and rude.
Hitler killed a few million people and believed it was for the better, or maybe just wanted the power. He didn’t change from his wrongs. God did.
And I know that, to you(and others), things have to have empirical evidence. That’s why I do that, out of respect. Dumbass.
EDIT: Yeah, I guess I am a heretic considering the definition of the word. But it’s not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t think I care.
I don’t care if you are a heretic, but don’t claim you are not, when you clearly are. Modern morality trumps biblical morality. Ah yea, I don’t want to be killed, adultery? I think that might be a was a female idea.
God is far worst then hitler, infinitely worst to be exact.
If there is no evidence, then there is nothing to say on the subject, it’s a logical fact. Nothing to do with respect.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
RageOverdose wrote:
Eh, I think it’s becoming blatantly obvious that I need to sit down and think some things through before I continue on. Oh well.
Yes, defiantly.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
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