Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Yes exactly....If all of us think like that...we will head to human extintion dudes...!!! N Itachi...If u see that Beheaded things or killing numerous by boombings r just a revenge....i think u r also same as them....!! Cuz that`s not revenging at all...why not send a patch of snipers to kill the leader who commanded to strike ur country...? Why the civilians....n innocent people..? N it`s not a killing in human way...!! I hope u all should see a person under title of human being...!! Not under a religion title...!!
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
Really so they should have just killed everyone who was german, or japanese in ww2... Oh that makes total sense.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Stix86 wrote:
i know you can’t say anything negative about your faith out of fear of execution but, how are these sayings:
Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve
Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves
Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!
Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them
Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.
any different than these?:
“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”
“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”
“How perverse are Muslims!”
“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”
“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”
“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”
i’m guessing that is a question you can’t answer.
and stop talking about these people: Polpot, Westerling, Mao, Slobodan Milosevic, Lenin, Stalin, DN. Aidit, Muso.
they are not infringing on my rights and constantly threatining me with death. those would be muslims.
According to the fact that they are atheists...
thx for muttering the facts...
so thats how atheists works...
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and i know all about ss powers and they r like the greek gods but the gold saints only have that gold armor which is givin by zeus...
Itachi the people mentioned above as evil men are evil but they are not evil due to their atheism. Thats like saying George Bush invaded Iraq because he has Gray Hair or something ridiculous like that.
They admitted their atheism but never made it the basis of their campaigns.
How Many Have Been Killed by Communists in the Name of Atheism & Secularism?:
None, probably.
How can that be? After all, millions and millions of people died in Russia and China under communist governments — and those governments were both secular and atheistic, right? So weren’t all of those people killed because of atheism — indeed, in the name of atheism and secularism?
No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn’t a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.
People were killed in communist nations for a lot of different reasons. Some were communists who disagreed with those in power and were killed because of that. Some were anti-communists opposed the government and were killed for that. Some were simply in the way or inconvenient and were killed for that. These are political disagreements that people were being killed over, not murder in the name of atheism.
But weren’t a lot of people killed because they were Christian? Certainly — but not simply because they were Christian. Communists typically regarded religious organizations as a hinderance towards the creation of a worker’s paradise. Some religious groups also opposed the communists. Once again, we are generally looking at political issues, not a question of atheism.
Even if some people were killed simply because they followed a religion, it does not follow that they were killed in the name of atheism. Why? Because atheism is not inherently opposed to religion: it is possible to be both an atheist and religious and some religions are themselves atheistic. Atheism also isn’t a belief system or ideology which can, by itself, inspire people to do things — good or bad.
To understand this better, consider times in the past when religion has been involved with violence — the Inquisition would be good. How many people were killed during the Inquisition in the name of theism? None. Those doing the killing acted not because of theism, but rather because of Christian doctrines. The belief system is what inspired people to act (sometimes for good, sometimes for ill). The single belief of theism, however, did not.
Similarly, communism certainly inspired people to act and gave them motivations to do certain things, but atheism — which is the absence of a belief and not even a belief itself — did not. The assumption that people in Russia and China were killed merely on account of atheism is based upon two other myths: first, that atheism is itself some sort of philosophy or belief system which can motivate people, and second that atheism is somehow interchangeable with the actual belief system of communism. It also pretends that all the various elements of communist totalitarianism were irrelevant to what happened — which is utter nonsense.
The aforementioned parallel explains why this response is not one which religious theists can use to deny their religion’s responsibility for violence in the past. Atheism and theism may not themselves be sufficient to justify violence and murder (or good behavior, for that matter), but belief systems which incorporate them are more than sufficient. Communism (or at least certain forms of it) can be blamed for communist violence; Christianity (or at least certain forms of it) can also be blamed for Christian violence. As a belief system with specific doctrines that were openly held up as justifying or sanctioning violence, religion must be held responsible for the violence committed in its name.
Whether theism can be slightly more culpable than atheism is a matter of dispute. Not being any belief at all, atheism can’t motivate anyone in any direction to do anything. Theism is a belief, however, so at least the potential for some sort of motivation in some direction exists. It’s been argued, for example, that monotheism is inherently more prone to violence because of the way it tends to be exclusivist — unlike polytheism, which tends to be more tolerant of cultural and religious differences.
It’s difficult to say, though, how many of these problems are really inherent in the type of theism and how many are cultural products of the religious belief systems that incorporate them. Whatever culpability theism itself might have, it’s likely small enough to dismiss, allowing us to treat it and atheism as functionally equal in this context.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
Really so they should have just killed everyone who was german, or japanese in ww2... Oh that makes total sense.
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
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Last edited 11 Jul 2008 12:15 am by Shaun of the Living
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
Really so they should have just killed everyone who was german, or japanese in ww2... Oh that makes total sense.
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
Really so they should have just killed everyone who was german, or japanese in ww2... Oh that makes total sense.
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
lol. -points to sig-
I dun get it (your sig). Is it a reference to treeplanter?
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Last edited 11 Jul 2008 12:35 am by Shaun of the Living
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
Really so they should have just killed everyone who was german, or japanese in ww2... Oh that makes total sense.
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
lol. -points to sig-
I dun get it (your sig). Is it a reference to treeplanter?
No just thought it was funny you mentioned treehugging when I just got the tree hugging sig today.
ramunematt wrote:
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi
Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
Yes, but when the other side is bent on permanently exterminating you it’s your best shot.
Really so they should have just killed everyone who was german, or japanese in ww2... Oh that makes total sense.
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
lol. -points to sig-
I dun get it (your sig). Is it a reference to treeplanter?
No just thought it was funny you mentioned treehugging when I just got the tree hugging sig today.
Sean of the Living wrote:
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
You didnt but islam did.
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing."
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Sean of the Living wrote:
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
You didnt but islam did.
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.“
Are you trying to say that killing in war is false...???
few months ago you said you will punch back people who try to attack you... and those lines doing exactly what your comments is...
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papamidnite420 wrote:
and i know all about ss powers and they r like the greek gods but the gold saints only have that gold armor which is givin by zeus...
Sean of the Living wrote:
I didn’t say they should have killed everyone, but it’s at least reasonable that they should be able to fight back. What? Should the Allies just have tried to convince Hirohito and Hitler to sign peace treaty and hug some trees? Yeah, that would’ve worked.
You didnt but islam did.
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.“
Are you trying to say that killing in war is false...???
few months ago you said you will punch back people who try to attack you... and those lines doing exactly what your comments is...
where does it say self defence? “And kill them wherever you find and catch them." so you have to hunt them down then kill them wherever you find and catch them.... hmmmm really... you cant see the diffrence?
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
i think muslim is peace religion, because muslim country never make problem with western people but muslim people usually kill western people cause they’ve been killed innocent muslims in war without logics like example in Palestine more than thousand muslim people killed cause their greedy
I Hate christian wrote:
i think muslim is peace religion, because muslim country never make problem with western people but muslim people usually kill western people cause they’ve been killed innocent muslims in war without logics like example in Palestine more than thousand muslim people killed cause their greedy
Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Islam is only as good as the man/woman that commits to it. If you interpret peace in what you read, see around you, and in others actions instead of suspicion, hatred and anger, any religion can be truly good.
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