Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I’m more trying to say our understanding of the universe, and things in general, is not infinite, just like the fish, it doesn’t make sense that anything could breathe above the water because it can’t, and it’s used to that fact.
Same in a way to us. We’re used to these things being defined as they are, that things outside of it is alien.
-shrugs-
If a being is omnipotent, it could logically rewrite history (how our words have developed and been defined) and the laws of physics, basically erasing whatever confines we have in our language (or whatever else) that prevent it from doing something.
That’s just a possibility, of course.
In the long run, I guess, to try and address the original topic, it doesn’t make sense to us to call something omnipotent because of those loopholes, though from that, the error doesn’t lie in the creature (god) itself but in how we are defining things and seeing things. (though I think I stated that before)
you type about this creature as if it was observed, the word people came up to describe what they thought their god would be like is flaw, and not possible.
I’m a deist so yes, I will likely have that tendency to type in that way. My sincere apologies if it bothers you.
I don’t see how omnipotence is impossible if it includes being able to rewrite things like the laws of physics and our universe in general, something which, I will assume now, is likely some sort of logical fallacy.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I’m more trying to say our understanding of the universe, and things in general, is not infinite, just like the fish, it doesn’t make sense that anything could breathe above the water because it can’t, and it’s used to that fact.
Same in a way to us. We’re used to these things being defined as they are, that things outside of it is alien.
-shrugs-
If a being is omnipotent, it could logically rewrite history (how our words have developed and been defined) and the laws of physics, basically erasing whatever confines we have in our language (or whatever else) that prevent it from doing something.
That’s just a possibility, of course.
In the long run, I guess, to try and address the original topic, it doesn’t make sense to us to call something omnipotent because of those loopholes, though from that, the error doesn’t lie in the creature (god) itself but in how we are defining things and seeing things. (though I think I stated that before)
you type about this creature as if it was observed, the word people came up to describe what they thought their god would be like is flaw, and not possible.
I’m a deist so yes, I will likely have that tendency to type in that way. My sincere apologies if it bothers you.
I don’t see how omnipotence is impossible if it includes being able to rewrite things like the laws of physics and our universe in general, something which, I will assume now, is likely some sort of logical fallacy.
I not denying that there could be a super over power being somewhere that could do those things, Im saying omnipotents is not possible.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I’m more trying to say our understanding of the universe, and things in general, is not infinite, just like the fish, it doesn’t make sense that anything could breathe above the water because it can’t, and it’s used to that fact.
Same in a way to us. We’re used to these things being defined as they are, that things outside of it is alien.
-shrugs-
If a being is omnipotent, it could logically rewrite history (how our words have developed and been defined) and the laws of physics, basically erasing whatever confines we have in our language (or whatever else) that prevent it from doing something.
That’s just a possibility, of course.
In the long run, I guess, to try and address the original topic, it doesn’t make sense to us to call something omnipotent because of those loopholes, though from that, the error doesn’t lie in the creature (god) itself but in how we are defining things and seeing things. (though I think I stated that before)
you type about this creature as if it was observed, the word people came up to describe what they thought their god would be like is flaw, and not possible.
I’m a deist so yes, I will likely have that tendency to type in that way. My sincere apologies if it bothers you.
I don’t see how omnipotence is impossible if it includes being able to rewrite things like the laws of physics and our universe in general, something which, I will assume now, is likely some sort of logical fallacy.
I not denying that there could be a super over power being somewhere that could do those things, Im saying omnipotents is not possible.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I’m more trying to say our understanding of the universe, and things in general, is not infinite, just like the fish, it doesn’t make sense that anything could breathe above the water because it can’t, and it’s used to that fact.
Same in a way to us. We’re used to these things being defined as they are, that things outside of it is alien.
-shrugs-
If a being is omnipotent, it could logically rewrite history (how our words have developed and been defined) and the laws of physics, basically erasing whatever confines we have in our language (or whatever else) that prevent it from doing something.
That’s just a possibility, of course.
In the long run, I guess, to try and address the original topic, it doesn’t make sense to us to call something omnipotent because of those loopholes, though from that, the error doesn’t lie in the creature (god) itself but in how we are defining things and seeing things. (though I think I stated that before)
you type about this creature as if it was observed, the word people came up to describe what they thought their god would be like is flaw, and not possible.
I’m a deist so yes, I will likely have that tendency to type in that way. My sincere apologies if it bothers you.
I don’t see how omnipotence is impossible if it includes being able to rewrite things like the laws of physics and our universe in general, something which, I will assume now, is likely some sort of logical fallacy.
I not denying that there could be a super over power being somewhere that could do those things, Im saying omnipotents is not possible.
How is omnipotence impossible?
Because you can not do everything, eg, create a rock that it can not lift.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Gplex wrote:
Neither of these things when attributed to a god, makes any sense at all.
I don’t understand your meaning. Are you saying that a deity shouldn’t be Perfect or Omnipotent? If they are neither of those things then what possibly separates them from humanity?
If a deity is not perfect, they cannot set any sort of realistic standard for others to try and live up to. It’s an extreme version of 'practice what you preach'. If a deity is not omnipotent, then they cannot do anything to effect the real world.
Realistically a deity doesn’t make any sense WITHOUT perfection and omnipotence. Unless of course you have some clever explanation.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I’m more trying to say our understanding of the universe, and things in general, is not infinite, just like the fish, it doesn’t make sense that anything could breathe above the water because it can’t, and it’s used to that fact.
Same in a way to us. We’re used to these things being defined as they are, that things outside of it is alien.
-shrugs-
If a being is omnipotent, it could logically rewrite history (how our words have developed and been defined) and the laws of physics, basically erasing whatever confines we have in our language (or whatever else) that prevent it from doing something.
That’s just a possibility, of course.
In the long run, I guess, to try and address the original topic, it doesn’t make sense to us to call something omnipotent because of those loopholes, though from that, the error doesn’t lie in the creature (god) itself but in how we are defining things and seeing things. (though I think I stated that before)
you type about this creature as if it was observed, the word people came up to describe what they thought their god would be like is flaw, and not possible.
I’m a deist so yes, I will likely have that tendency to type in that way. My sincere apologies if it bothers you.
I don’t see how omnipotence is impossible if it includes being able to rewrite things like the laws of physics and our universe in general, something which, I will assume now, is likely some sort of logical fallacy.
I not denying that there could be a super over power being somewhere that could do those things, Im saying omnipotents is not possible.
How is omnipotence impossible?
Because you can not do everything, eg, create a rock that it can not lift.
Technically, omnipotent just means can’t die, right?
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
I’m more trying to say our understanding of the universe, and things in general, is not infinite, just like the fish, it doesn’t make sense that anything could breathe above the water because it can’t, and it’s used to that fact.
Same in a way to us. We’re used to these things being defined as they are, that things outside of it is alien.
-shrugs-
If a being is omnipotent, it could logically rewrite history (how our words have developed and been defined) and the laws of physics, basically erasing whatever confines we have in our language (or whatever else) that prevent it from doing something.
That’s just a possibility, of course.
In the long run, I guess, to try and address the original topic, it doesn’t make sense to us to call something omnipotent because of those loopholes, though from that, the error doesn’t lie in the creature (god) itself but in how we are defining things and seeing things. (though I think I stated that before)
you type about this creature as if it was observed, the word people came up to describe what they thought their god would be like is flaw, and not possible.
I’m a deist so yes, I will likely have that tendency to type in that way. My sincere apologies if it bothers you.
I don’t see how omnipotence is impossible if it includes being able to rewrite things like the laws of physics and our universe in general, something which, I will assume now, is likely some sort of logical fallacy.
I not denying that there could be a super over power being somewhere that could do those things, Im saying omnipotents is not possible.
How is omnipotence impossible?
Because you can not do everything, eg, create a rock that it can not lift.
Unless definitions and laws of our universe are changed, which is what I said before.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Unless definitions and laws of our universe are changed, which is what I said before.
I can not make sense of what you are trying to say..
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
You going to just ignore my argument retard? Or will you spend the time to try and explain yourself?
Wow I get to be called retard on your 9000 post...
Whats your argument... retard.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Unless definitions and laws of our universe are changed, which is what I said before.
I can not make sense of what you are trying to say..
You say it cannot do something within a set parameter (in this case our set laws of physics and whatnot that is tied with it)
However
If it is said to be able to do anything, what exactly prevents it from changing the parameters?
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Unless definitions and laws of our universe are changed, which is what I said before.
I can not make sense of what you are trying to say..
You say it cannot do something within a set parameter (in this case our set laws of physics and whatnot that is tied with it)
However
If it is said to be able to do anything, what exactly prevents it from changing the parameters?
So you are suggestion that one can make a stone so heavy that he can not lift, but can lift at the same time?
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
You going to just ignore my argument retard? Or will you spend the time to try and explain yourself?
Wow I get to be called retard on your 9000 post...
Whats your argument... retard.
derdev789 wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Neither of these things when attributed to a god, makes any sense at all.
I don’t understand your meaning. Are you saying that a deity shouldn’t be Perfect or Omnipotent? If they are neither of those things then what possibly separates them from humanity?
If a deity is not perfect, they cannot set any sort of realistic standard for others to try and live up to. It’s an extreme version of 'practice what you preach'. If a deity is not omnipotent, then they cannot do anything to effect the real world.
Realistically a deity doesn’t make any sense WITHOUT perfection and omnipotence. Unless of course you have some clever explanation.
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Thank you for making me quote it for the third time.
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Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Unless definitions and laws of our universe are changed, which is what I said before.
I can not make sense of what you are trying to say..
You say it cannot do something within a set parameter (in this case our set laws of physics and whatnot that is tied with it)
However
If it is said to be able to do anything, what exactly prevents it from changing the parameters?
So you are suggestion that one can make a stone so heavy that he can not lift, but can lift at the same time?
Sure since Omnipotence by your own admission defies logic.
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
Unless definitions and laws of our universe are changed, which is what I said before.
I can not make sense of what you are trying to say..
You say it cannot do something within a set parameter (in this case our set laws of physics and whatnot that is tied with it)
However
If it is said to be able to do anything, what exactly prevents it from changing the parameters?
So you are suggestion that one can make a stone so heavy that he can not lift, but can lift at the same time?
If the parameters of the universe are changed, how can one say otherwise?
I can almost hear the Creator of the universe chuckling right now. Gplex, I know someone that can answer your question about a being that can create a rock so heavy he can’t lift it. If he thinks you are honestly serious and not just trying to be a troll (is that the correct word?). He does not suffer fools lightly. Let me know if you want his e-mail address.
You going to just ignore my argument retard? Or will you spend the time to try and explain yourself?
Wow I get to be called retard on your 9000 post...
Whats your argument... retard.
derdev789 wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Neither of these things when attributed to a god, makes any sense at all.
I don’t understand your meaning. Are you saying that a deity shouldn’t be Perfect or Omnipotent? If they are neither of those things then what possibly separates them from humanity?
If a deity is not perfect, they cannot set any sort of realistic standard for others to try and live up to. It’s an extreme version of 'practice what you preach'. If a deity is not omnipotent, then they cannot do anything to effect the real world.
Realistically a deity doesn’t make any sense WITHOUT perfection and omnipotence. Unless of course you have some clever explanation.
^ ^
Thank you for making me quote it for the third time.
Well I tend to move the polite people to the front of my todo list..
You can not say this person or being is perfect.. at leave it at that.
Perfect at what? Perfect at not being perfect? It leaves a bunch of things unanswered. People need to be more precise on the definition they attribute to their god.
Omnipotents doesnt make sense, because you can not do everything, which technically unlimited power should give you the ablity to do everything.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:
If the parameters of the universe are changed, how can one say otherwise?
Again, please dont argue from igonrance its annoying.
So are you saying in the context of this universe, a omnipotent being can not be omnipotent?
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
