Now, I thought this was a very clever idea. Since Christians believe that prayer and God have the power to change the world and people... so I say why not pray to God for Lucifer to stop rebelling against God and join in the wholesome Christian fun? Christians pray for atheists and other religions to turn around and see the “truth”, so why not the Devil? In the end, isn’t he just another person with a case of “daddy issues”?
Ironically, most of the Christians I’ve brought this idea up to were dumbfounded and confused by the idea, and most of the time immediately shunned it as blasphemous.
indeed, which of course, thats pretty much what would happen. If Satan makes people sin and he decides not to sin and be a christian, then I would assume Sin would pretty much dissappear and then we’d all be happy people.
What say you, theists? Can’t we just pray for the devil to give up his evil ways? I mean, he wasn’t always evil, so lets bring him back to the light! Spread this news through your local churches, this should be the new focus. Lets go for the throat and topple evil at its source!
Khorib wrote:
What say you, theists? Can’t we just pray for the devil to give up his evil ways? I mean, he wasn’t always evil, so lets bring him back to the light! Spread this news through your local churches, this should be the new focus. Lets go for the throat and topple evil at its source!
Well it would be irrelivant since the devil’s punishment is perminant. Thats why he tempts people to do evil. If I may quote Andross from Starfox 64,“If I go down I’m taking you with me!" So we resist the Devil rather than try to convert him because our efforts will be in vain.
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Khorib wrote:
What say you, theists? Can’t we just pray for the devil to give up his evil ways? I mean, he wasn’t always evil, so lets bring him back to the light! Spread this news through your local churches, this should be the new focus. Lets go for the throat and topple evil at its source!
Well it would be irrelivant since the devil’s punishment is perminant. Thats why he tempts people to do evil. If I may quote Andross from Starfox 64,“If I go down I’m taking you with me!" So we resist the Devil rather than try to convert him because our efforts will be in vain.
Why is it in vain? It is not his punishment to be in hell, it is his kingdom to rule. He is there by choice because he doesn’t want to follow god. The point is to try to get him to to become good again like he once was. If god loves everyone, then surely he can love the devil if he chooses to abandon his “evil ways”.
Khorib wrote:
What say you, theists? Can’t we just pray for the devil to give up his evil ways? I mean, he wasn’t always evil, so lets bring him back to the light! Spread this news through your local churches, this should be the new focus. Lets go for the throat and topple evil at its source!
Well it would be irrelivant since the devil’s punishment is perminant. Thats why he tempts people to do evil. If I may quote Andross from Starfox 64,“If I go down I’m taking you with me!" So we resist the Devil rather than try to convert him because our efforts will be in vain.
Why is it in vain? It is not his punishment to be in hell, it is his kingdom to rule. He is there by choice because he doesn’t want to follow god. The point is to try to get him to to become good again like he once was. If god loves everyone, then surely he can love the devil if he chooses to abandon his “evil ways”.
He’s not there by choice dude. If it was his choice he would be ruling heaven right now but he was defeated by the archangel michael and sent there as a result. Hell isn’t an “alternative kingdom” its a place of eternal torment.
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Khorib wrote:
What say you, theists? Can’t we just pray for the devil to give up his evil ways? I mean, he wasn’t always evil, so lets bring him back to the light! Spread this news through your local churches, this should be the new focus. Lets go for the throat and topple evil at its source!
bWell it would be irrelivant since the devil’s punishment is perminant. Thats why he tempts people to do evil. If I may quote Andross from Starfox 64,“If I go down I’m taking you with me!" So we resist the Devil rather than try to convert him because our efforts will be in vain.
What happens when we pray that it isn’t permanent and all original sin would be removed?
But oh wait... people wouldn’t want to join Christianity if they didn’t think they had to repent... would they?
Khorib wrote:
What say you, theists? Can’t we just pray for the devil to give up his evil ways? I mean, he wasn’t always evil, so lets bring him back to the light! Spread this news through your local churches, this should be the new focus. Lets go for the throat and topple evil at its source!
bWell it would be irrelivant since the devil’s punishment is perminant. Thats why he tempts people to do evil. If I may quote Andross from Starfox 64,“If I go down I’m taking you with me!" So we resist the Devil rather than try to convert him because our efforts will be in vain.
What happens when we pray that it isn’t permanent and all original sin would be removed?
But oh wait... people wouldn’t want to join Christianity if they didn’t think they had to repent... would they?
If it were that easy it would have already been done. Technically if all original sin was removed then every one would believe in God. Sin pretty much came from free will in order to eradicate it you have to go at its source. Meaning we would all do what God wants us to do and not even think to question it.
So then tell me this. Is Lucifer the origin of all sin?
Also, you say Lucifer is in a place of eternal torment, but is he being tortured eternally as well? I think he is there in someways by choice.
Also, what did Satan do that was so bad? You say he is undeserving of forgiveness (how Christian of you), but all he did was refuse to live in bondage. He wanted to determine his own life and he wants other to think like-mindly.
Doesn’t sound so “evil” to me. Sounds like he wouldn’t be so hard to save either if Christians actually did the christian thing and loved him anyway, even through his flaws, and tried to guide him back to the light.
You only say it wouldn’t matter because you don’t care to try. Shame on you.
Khorib wrote:
So then tell me this. Is Lucifer the origin of all sin?
Also, you say Lucifer is in a place of eternal torment, but is he being tortured eternally as well? I think he is there in someways by choice.
Also, what did Satan do that was so bad? You say he is undeserving of forgiveness (how Christian of you), but all he did was refuse to live in bondage. He wanted to determine his own life and he wants other to think like-mindly.
Doesn’t sound so “evil” to me. Sounds like he wouldn’t be so hard to save either if Christians actually did the christian thing and loved him anyway, even through his flaws, and tried to guide him back to the light.
You only say it wouldn’t matter because you don’t care to try. Shame on you.
There is a difference between wanting to be free and wanting to take God’s place (which is what he attempted to do). He willingly went in to battle with God and was defeated by Michael the archangel. The real question would be, why would some one so close to God be willing to rebel and try to take over knowing that he is the creator of every thing...including him. People today don’t believe because they “need proof” he had proof but still wanted to take over.
Khorib wrote:
So then tell me this. Is Lucifer the origin of all sin?
Also, you say Lucifer is in a place of eternal torment, but is he being tortured eternally as well? I think he is there in someways by choice.
Also, what did Satan do that was so bad? You say he is undeserving of forgiveness (how Christian of you), but all he did was refuse to live in bondage. He wanted to determine his own life and he wants other to think like-mindly.
Doesn’t sound so “evil” to me. Sounds like he wouldn’t be so hard to save either if Christians actually did the christian thing and loved him anyway, even through his flaws, and tried to guide him back to the light.
You only say it wouldn’t matter because you don’t care to try. Shame on you.
There is a difference between wanting to be free and wanting to take God’s place (which is what he attempted to do). He willingly went in to battle with God and was defeated by Michael the archangel. The real question would be, why would some one so close to God be willing to rebel and try to take over knowing that he is the creator of every thing...including him. People today don’t believe because they “need proof” he had proof but still wanted to take over.
Khorib wrote:
So then tell me this. Is Lucifer the origin of all sin?
Also, you say Lucifer is in a place of eternal torment, but is he being tortured eternally as well? I think he is there in someways by choice.
Also, what did Satan do that was so bad? You say he is undeserving of forgiveness (how Christian of you), but all he did was refuse to live in bondage. He wanted to determine his own life and he wants other to think like-mindly.
Doesn’t sound so “evil” to me. Sounds like he wouldn’t be so hard to save either if Christians actually did the christian thing and loved him anyway, even through his flaws, and tried to guide him back to the light.
You only say it wouldn’t matter because you don’t care to try. Shame on you.
There is a difference between wanting to be free and wanting to take God’s place (which is what he attempted to do). He willingly went in to battle with God and was defeated by Michael the archangel. The real question would be, why would some one so close to God be willing to rebel and try to take over knowing that he is the creator of every thing...including him. People today don’t believe because they “need proof” he had proof but still wanted to take over.
Lucifer/ Satan’s sin was his pride.
But by getting rid of free will he wouldn’t have suffered either.
