Seriously atheists...

If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this.

Yet, even Christians should think about this, maybe to expand their belief in God beyond the confines of just what the Bible tells you. After all, it may have been inspired by God and written through man, but in the end, man still wrote it, and man is imperfect, so it is reasonable to believe even the original writers took some liberties, of course, if you accept that man wrote it and not an angel or whatnot, but that’s beside the point.

So, in however many years when God decides to fulfill Revelations, how does that end the cycle of conflict?

See, here’s the dilemma.

In creating the angels, God wasn’t going to create them to merely to rebel against him. No. He gave them the same options of free will we have. So, Lucifer decided to attempt and overthrow of God. Didn’t work, so he’s cast out here to screw us up, basically.

Who’s to say after Lucifer is gone that it won’t happen again. Much like the Big Bang theory exploding a hyper-dense mass of particles that were already there into the system we know today, Lucifer’s actions came about from the system already formed by God. It happened once, it can happen even after Lucifer is done.

A human could do it, or another angel. I mean, if you accept Heaven as some other dimension, than there could be beings more capable than Lucifer.

God would have to demolish this dimension/universe/whatever and recreate it removing all known corruption in his system. I don’t think he can do this.

By the way, I don’t believe God is omnipotent and I’m highly skeptical of the Bible that my beliefs are based on. And no, I’m not “converting” to atheism, buddhism, agnosticism, or anything. I’m just an anarchist Christian with too much skepticism (or cynicism) than I need.

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http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/65043p1.html
Rage, look at this please.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/65043p1.html
Rage, look at this please.

*ahem*

What does that have to do with the possibility of rebellion even after we are resurrected?

That’s the point here. And in the end, it’s merely food for thought.

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RageOverdose wrote:

some one new wrote: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/65043p1.html
Rage, look at this please.

*ahem*

What does that have to do with the possibility of rebellion even after we are resurrected?

That’s the point here. And in the end, it’s merely food for thought.

I posted that link so we wouldn’t get off topic but...
A major point you made was that you don’t believe God is omnipotent, yet the Bible says he’s almighty do you think there is a difference between the two characteristics?

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote:

RageOverdose wrote:

some one new wrote: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/65043p1.html
Rage, look at this please.

*ahem*

What does that have to do with the possibility of rebellion even after we are resurrected?

That’s the point here. And in the end, it’s merely food for thought.

I posted that link so we wouldn’t get off topic but...
A major point you made was that you don’t believe God is omnipotent, yet the Bible says he’s almighty do you think there is a difference between the two characteristics?

Well, I believe God is ultimately logical, but...I guess my view of omnipotence is that he can all logically feasible feats. I mean, if he is omnipotent, he could just erase evil. If he is omnipotent, he could just heal everyone. If he is omnipotent, we’d have no purpose than to be playthings (maybe we are). If he is omnipotent, he would not need us to worship him because, well, we can give ourselves assurance of our abilities, why can’t God? We don’t need praise or worship, so God definitely wouldn’t.

Still, that isn’t my big point. I made that point because I didn’t want this to delve into a simple “omnipotent or not” argument that would detract from what I’ve stated.

Seriously, God, can he really prevent a second coming? It happened once, what’s to say it wouldn’t again if the system is as it always has been?

Also, as for almighty, while the words are synonyms, I think almighty can have more leeway. To be mighty may not have been the exact same when it was written as it is now. Might is, as just about everything, reliant on context. Still, did they truly mean “can do everything” even though it was written in a time when everything would seem like a little to us?

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You only need to say Epicurus.

A majority of us know the arguement already, and I have seen no counter arguement against it.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? (Epicurus)

Remember, religion requires belief - asserting something is true without reason or evidence.

After all

You can lead a christian to a book, but you cannot make him think.(unknown)

and

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish (Euripides).

silverspirit2001 wrote: You only need to say Epicurus.

A majority of us know the arguement already, and I have seen no counter arguement against it.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? (Epicurus)

Remember, religion requires belief - asserting something is true without reason or evidence.

After all

You can lead a christian to a book, but you cannot make him think.(unknown)

and

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish (Euripides).

Prime example of over simplification.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

“Seriously atheists... If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this."
I stopped here. You cannot generalize every atheist as a person who wants to discredit the bible.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

his actions alone contradict omniscience... so you can throw that out the door as well as any hope of him being a “just” god... still though a very complex personality this fictional character called “God”...perfection is certainly not the word in his description.
perfection like omnipotence is absolute and unchangeable and it is impossible to stray from either. And i would argue that perfection belies omnipotence cause if one is perfect what use do you have for infinite power for that matter creation: easy equation... omnipotence+perfectio= more or less just perfection with the ill use of omnipotence.

Basically no true omnipotent can be perfect becuase perfect=perfect

bonesboy08 wrote: his actions alone contradict omniscience... so you can throw that out the door as well as any hope of him being a “just” god... still though a very complex personality this fictional character called “God”...perfection is certainly not the word in his description.
perfection like omnipotence is absolute and unchangeable and it is impossible to stray from either. And i would argue that perfection belies omnipotence cause if one is perfect what use do you have for infinite power for that matter creation: easy equation... omnipotence+perfectio= more or less just perfection with the ill use of omnipotence.

Basically no true omnipotent can be perfect becuase perfect=perfect

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: You only need to say Epicurus.

A majority of us know the arguement already, and I have seen no counter arguement against it.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? (Epicurus)

Remember, religion requires belief - asserting something is true without reason or evidence.

After all

You can lead a christian to a book, but you cannot make him think.(unknown)

and

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish (Euripides).

Prime example of over simplification.

Prime case of theists not able to counter simple arguments

dem furking atheeest muther furkers, you and your craze buuuulll!

*tobacco + bowl*

(in other words, i don’t care enough about said subject to argue anymore)

silverspirit2001 wrote:

some one new wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: You only need to say Epicurus.

A majority of us know the arguement already, and I have seen no counter arguement against it.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? (Epicurus)

Remember, religion requires belief - asserting something is true without reason or evidence.

After all

You can lead a christian to a book, but you cannot make him think.(unknown)

and

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish (Euripides).

Prime example of over simplification.

Prime case of theists not able to counter simple arguments

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

There’s your counter.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote:

some one new wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: You only need to say Epicurus.

A majority of us know the arguement already, and I have seen no counter arguement against it.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? (Epicurus)

Remember, religion requires belief - asserting something is true without reason or evidence.

After all

You can lead a christian to a book, but you cannot make him think.(unknown)

and

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish (Euripides).

Prime example of over simplification.

Prime case of theists not able to counter simple arguments

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

There’s your counter.

YOUR OPINION DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE I HOLD A DIFFERENT ONE THAT YOU CAN NEVER EVER CHANGE SO SAYETH THE LOOOOOOOOOOOORD!

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one

some one new wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote:

some one new wrote:

silverspirit2001 wrote: You only need to say Epicurus.

A majority of us know the arguement already, and I have seen no counter arguement against it.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? (Epicurus)

Remember, religion requires belief - asserting something is true without reason or evidence.

After all

You can lead a christian to a book, but you cannot make him think.(unknown)

and

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish (Euripides).

Prime example of over simplification.

Prime case of theists not able to counter simple arguments

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

There’s your counter.

and that was written by an imperfect man Imperfection does not equal PERFECTION. so i suggest you quit qouting the bible

Thanks for the concise interpretation Haylias.

Alright I’m done.


Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!

some one new wrote: Alright I’m done.


Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

I respect your strong belief in what you believe...even if there is a good chance it isn’t true or made up ... your will is that of a champion of endangered/lost causes but even your cause is heard. To interpret scrutiny as ignorance in itself is ignorance

If you do not except scrutiny (or criticism)then YOU fail to support your cause but don’t worry chances are your cause will succeed to carry on with or with out you...
but isn’t your cause that much stronger if your listening to your critics and growing along with your cause...I try to do that though i am told i have no cause for being an atheist (i haven’t been criticized yet about my beliefs or the lack of them so feel free to do so)i may benefit from the discussion so please do not feel discouraged

sorry about the double post