Gplex wrote:
“Seriously atheists... If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this."
I stopped here. You cannot generalize every atheist as a person who wants to discredit the bible.
Yeah, I can. I just did.
I mean, I can do it again.
Pretty easy to generalize a whole group of people.
That was supposed to be humorous. I know very well not all atheists are out to discredit the Bible, I know a few that couldn’t give a damn. I also know not all Christians are out to push the Bible on people. I also know that not all Asians have small penises and that not all black people steal my stereo out of my car.
The point itself stands, but I’m not arguing omnipotence. The point is mainly for Christians to look at the Bible in a way more skeptical than many look at a textbook in class. I think believing is something best left to one person, not to a whole.
Also, you cannot assume that just because of one statement the rest is folly. For you to stop at the first sentence is as bad as my non-serious generalization.
I don’t find it very funny.
I ignored you first post, because it is you. I know you have a tendency to make stupid statements.
Inspired by god, is the same as “I made it up to what I think god is like”.
Free will, did I choose to take my first breaths, do I choose to keep making my heart beat, do I choose not to like pain. None of this makes sense, from a biblical stand point.
From what I have seen you have very little skepticism.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Gplex wrote:
I don’t find it very funny.
I ignored you first post, because it is you. I know you have a tendency to make stupid statements.
Inspired by god, is the same as “I made it up to what I think god is like”.
Free will, did I choose to take my first breaths, do I choose to keep making my heart beat, do I choose not to like pain. None of this makes sense, from a biblical stand point.
From what I have seen you have very little skepticism.
Well, I’m sorry you didn’t find it funny. I can’t expect everyone to. But I don’t truly generalize atheists so simply. It’s hard to when the majority of your friends are atheists themselves and I know better.
You tend to make stupid statements too, like saying you ignored the post because I wrote it. We all do. It’s common. Especially when it comes to religion and beliefs where I’m sure people start taking it somewhat personally.
And, I’d like to see where my skepticism doesn’t stand? I’m talking about a prime part of the Bible, the resurrection and removal of evil, and saying that it’s either bullcrap myself or that it may be a pointless venture. I’ve always also felt that God was not this omnipotent being, despite all sorts of claims he is, because I’m logical and the logic doesn’t fit.
Gplex wrote:
“Seriously atheists... If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this."
I stopped here. You cannot generalize every atheist as a person who wants to discredit the bible.
Yeah, I can. I just did.
I mean, I can do it again.
Pretty easy to generalize a whole group of people.
That was supposed to be humorous. I know very well not all atheists are out to discredit the Bible, I know a few that couldn’t give a damn. I also know not all Christians are out to push the Bible on people. I also know that not all Asians have small penises and that not all black people steal my stereo out of my car.
The point itself stands, but I’m not arguing omnipotence. The point is mainly for Christians to look at the Bible in a way more skeptical than many look at a textbook in class. I think believing is something best left to one person, not to a whole.
Also, you cannot assume that just because of one statement the rest is folly. For you to stop at the first sentence is as bad as my non-serious generalization.
Thats true but its different when someones beliefs effect others around them or themselves in a negative way.
RageOverdose wrote:
Well, I’m sorry you didn’t find it funny. I can’t expect everyone to. But I don’t truly generalize atheists so simply. It’s hard to when the majority of your friends are atheists themselves and I know better.
You tend to make stupid statements too, like saying you ignored the post because I wrote it. We all do. It’s common. Especially when it comes to religion and beliefs where I’m sure people start taking it somewhat personally.
That’s not stupid, that’s from knowing you and predicting when you are going to be stupid. You could call what I did stupid, if I said something like this “rageoverdose says a lot of stupid things, so all theist do”. Can you see the difference?
People have been trained to take it personally, but in reality, if you can handle what someone else’s says, then you are either a child, or someone who wants to respect the beliefs of the kkk, why should your beliefs be treated differently?
RageOverdose wrote:
And, I’d like to see where my skepticism doesn’t stand? I’m talking about a prime part of the Bible, the resurrection and removal of evil, and saying that it’s either bullcrap myself or that it may be a pointless venture. I’ve always also felt that God was not this omnipotent being, despite all sorts of claims he is, because I’m logical and the logic doesn’t fit.
How about the bible itself. Why don’t you believe any other ancient text that describes a god? The fact that you take any part of the bible more seriously than any other ancient text, leads me to believe that your skepticism only applies to other religions.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Gplex wrote:
That’s not stupid, that’s from knowing you and predicting when you are going to be stupid. You could call what I did stupid, if I said something like this “rageoverdose says a lot of stupid things, so all theist do”. Can you see the difference?
You don’t “know” me, for one. And, I think it is stupid to never consider reading someone’s argument solely on who they are. That’s some skewed form of false authority, although I am far from an authority in this context. You can predict the nature of what I’ll say, but you can’t go around criticizing me if you don’t actually read it.
Gplex wrote:
People have been trained to take it personally, but in reality, if you can handle what someone else’s says, then you are either a child, or someone who wants to respect the beliefs of the kkk, why should your beliefs be treated differently?
Don’t you mean “if you can’t handle?"
I never said respect. I said understand. And I can understand why the KKK would be the way they are. I do not agree with it, but I’m not out to get you to agree, I’m basically here to make sure it isn’t base judgment filled with misconceptions that lead to only conflict and unneeded, and unhealthy, stress on one or more involved. To be perfectly clear, I do not think the KKK is just, but I still can understand and even sympathize with them, however, I would very much like them to not exist anymore. If you felt the same way about Christians, I guess I can’t blame you or criticize you for it, but we aren’t, as a whole, like the KKK.
Gplex wrote:
How about the bible itself. Why don’t you believe any other ancient text that describes a god? The fact that you take any part of the bible more seriously than any other ancient text, leads me to believe that your skepticism only applies to other religions.
I’m beginning to believe you are sitting here arguing with me senselessly on my skepticism and still haven’t really read my analysis of a Biblical situation. You are saying I’m only skeptical of other religions, yet I have just provided a skeptical look on my own Biblical text. I believe in God, but that’s about the only thing I hold in faith from the Bible, with a few other important concepts. I called into question this resurrection because, from my logical point of view, if things used to be “perfect” and suddenly were not because of Lucifer, who’s to say it was not going to be the case again after Lucifer is defeated?
I guess, non-intentionally, I have called into question God’s omnipotence in the same way many atheists have in this forum.
And I never said I didn’t believe in the existence of other gods. A generalizing assumption on your part, but I understand.
it’s ironic that i find it ironic that atheists discredit the bible yet they still celebrate christmas, they are hypocrites, GET YOUR OWN HOLIDAY ATHEISTS!!!!
jp-fan wrote:
it’s ironic that i find it ironic that atheists discredit the bible yet they still celebrate christmas, they are hypocrites, GET YOUR OWN HOLIDAY ATHEISTS!!!!
Gplex wrote:
That’s not stupid, that’s from knowing you and predicting when you are going to be stupid. You could call what I did stupid, if I said something like this “rageoverdose says a lot of stupid things, so all theist do”. Can you see the difference?
You don’t “know” me, for one. And, I think it is stupid to never consider reading someone’s argument solely on who they are. That’s some skewed form of false authority, although I am far from an authority in this context. You can predict the nature of what I’ll say, but you can’t go around criticizing me if you don’t actually read it.
I recognize patterns that we all take. I spend a lot of time, just listening to people, you start picking up on human patterns.
Well that’s your opinion. People do not change overnight. Someone who would fall back on a false argument, one day, will probably do it again the next.
That has nothing to do with authority, just my experiences dealing with people.
Ah but I did read part of it, and criticize that part I had read. From pass experience with you, it lead me to believe that your entire argument had a high probability of being irrational, and a waste of time.
RageOverdose wrote:
Gplex wrote:
People have been trained to take it personally, but in reality, if you can handle what someone else’s says, then you are either a child, or someone who wants to respect the beliefs of the kkk, why should your beliefs be treated differently?
Don’t you mean “if you can’t handle?"
I never said respect. I said understand. And I can understand why the KKK would be the way they are. I do not agree with it, but I’m not out to get you to agree, I’m basically here to make sure it isn’t base judgment filled with misconceptions that lead to only conflict and unneeded, and unhealthy, stress on one or more involved. To be perfectly clear, I do not think the KKK is just, but I still can understand and even sympathize with them, however, I would very much like them to not exist anymore. If you felt the same way about Christians, I guess I can’t blame you or criticize you for it, but we aren’t, as a whole, like the KKK.
Yes that’s exactly what I meant. How does my criticism, of the bible, taken as an insult from most believers, have to do with understanding then? The only reason someone would say the word understanding when someone is criticizing a belief, is to silence them. – Or respect, as I was taught.
RageOverdose wrote:
Gplex wrote:
How about the bible itself. Why don’t you believe any other ancient text that describes a god? The fact that you take any part of the bible more seriously than any other ancient text, leads me to believe that your skepticism only applies to other religions.
I’m beginning to believe you are sitting here arguing with me senselessly on my skepticism and still haven’t really read my analysis of a Biblical situation. You are saying I’m only skeptical of other religions, yet I have just provided a skeptical look on my own Biblical text. I believe in God, but that’s about the only thing I hold in faith from the Bible, with a few other important concepts. I called into question this resurrection because, from my logical point of view, if things used to be “perfect” and suddenly were not because of Lucifer, who’s to say it was not going to be the case again after Lucifer is defeated?
I guess, non-intentionally, I have called into question God’s omnipotence in the same way many atheists have in this forum.
nd I never said I didn’t believe in the existence of other gods. A generalizing assumption on your part, but I understand.
You contradict yourself. One min you say you are skeptical of the bible, and you only have a belief in a god, and then you are trying to make arguments base on scripture. It’s not consistent with someone who is skeptical of the bible.
My assumption is that you are a Christian, who understands that omnipotence is logically impossible.
jp-fan wrote:
it’s ironic that i find it ironic that atheists discredit the bible yet they still celebrate christmas, they are hypocrites, GET YOUR OWN HOLIDAY ATHEISTS!!!!
Oh yea, Christmas has everything to do with the bible.... It’s a tradition that gives us a well deserved break. I’m not willing to let it go.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Gplex wrote:
I recognize patterns that we all take. I spend a lot of time, just listening to people, you start picking up on human patterns.
Well that’s your opinion. People do not change overnight. Someone who would fall back on a false argument, one day, will probably do it again the next.
That has nothing to do with authority, just my experiences dealing with people.
Ah but I did read part of it, and criticize that part I had read. From pass experience with you, it lead me to believe that your entire argument had a high probability of being irrational, and a waste of time.
I’m only irrational here, in the Religion section, because I come in here with some sort of motive of being right, or I did before, rather than expressing my opinions. With such a motive I can’t make a consistently rational argument because I’m always trying to get the other person to be wrong, regardless of how I do it. It was a foolish thing to do.
But, a person can change between today and tomorrow. I don’t know everything that happens to someone, so I can’t say what they’ll be like next. While I do tend to understand certain individuals (my family, friends, teachers), it’s easier to be wrong with people I don’t know, and a lot less hassle to not be wrong. But, damn if I don’t understand why you would think my whole post is irrational, and I can’t say I blame you. However, at the same time, the question I raised didn’t have much to do with my comment on my biblical skepticism. But I shouldn’t press that issue, since that question is best directed at Christians, not many others.
Gplex wrote:
Yes that’s exactly what I meant. How does my criticism, of the bible, taken as an insult from most believers, have to do with understanding then? The only reason someone would say the word understanding when someone is criticizing a belief, is to silence them. – Or respect, as I was taught.
Well, you could criticize a belief because of what you thought it meant, but it may not mean what you thought. I criticized your insults because I thought it meant something it didn’t, and that was based upon my assuming that people who insulted others don’t understand them, something I need to get out of my head. In fact, my whole belief in understanding others would probably be better formed if I took time to understand why people get insulted. Maybe it wouldn’t. I don’t know really.
But I’m not out to take away your right to insult anyone (free speech/expression/opinion). I’m sorry if you thought that. But I feel the same way when people criticize my religious beliefs, however irrational they may be, because based upon not only the US Constitution but the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I have every right to my religion.
Gplex wrote:
You contradict yourself. One min you say you are skeptical of the bible, and you only have a belief in a god, and then you are trying to make arguments base on scripture. It’s not consistent with someone who is skeptical of the bible.
My assumption is that you are a Christian, who understands that omnipotence is logically impossible.
You’re right, I am contradicting myself.
I’m doing it because I come into this section of Movie Codec to be right, not to express my opinions. It’s a stupid reason, and one I’m done with.
RageOverdose wrote:
If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this.
Yet, even Christians should think about this, maybe to expand their belief in God beyond the confines of just what the Bible tells you. After all, it may have been inspired by God and written through man, but in the end, man still wrote it, and man is imperfect, so it is reasonable to believe even the original writers took some liberties, of course, if you accept that man wrote it and not an angel or whatnot, but that’s beside the point.
So, in however many years when God decides to fulfill Revelations, how does that end the cycle of conflict?
See, here’s the dilemma.
In creating the angels, God wasn’t going to create them to merely to rebel against him. No. He gave them the same options of free will we have. So, Lucifer decided to attempt and overthrow of God. Didn’t work, so he’s cast out here to screw us up, basically.
Who’s to say after Lucifer is gone that it won’t happen again. Much like the Big Bang theory exploding a hyper-dense mass of particles that were already there into the system we know today, Lucifer’s actions came about from the system already formed by God. It happened once, it can happen even after Lucifer is done.
A human could do it, or another angel. I mean, if you accept Heaven as some other dimension, than there could be beings more capable than Lucifer.
God would have to demolish this dimension/universe/whatever and recreate it removing all known corruption in his system. I don’t think he can do this.
By the way, I don’t believe God is omnipotent and I’m highly skeptical of the Bible that my beliefs are based on. And no, I’m not “converting” to atheism, buddhism, agnosticism, or anything. I’m just an anarchist Christian with too much skepticism (or cynicism) than I need.
same here... i’ve actually seriously wondered what if like a huge part of the bible, well even if its small, but important part, was lost in all of those translations. and why aren’t we allowed to put the dead sea scrolls back together? i’ve wondered why they wont let us see the true bible. a lot couldve been lost in all those translations
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wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”
RageOverdose wrote:
If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this.
Yet, even Christians should think about this, maybe to expand their belief in God beyond the confines of just what the Bible tells you. After all, it may have been inspired by God and written through man, but in the end, man still wrote it, and man is imperfect, so it is reasonable to believe even the original writers took some liberties, of course, if you accept that man wrote it and not an angel or whatnot, but that’s beside the point.
So, in however many years when God decides to fulfill Revelations, how does that end the cycle of conflict?
See, here’s the dilemma.
In creating the angels, God wasn’t going to create them to merely to rebel against him. No. He gave them the same options of free will we have. So, Lucifer decided to attempt and overthrow of God. Didn’t work, so he’s cast out here to screw us up, basically.
Who’s to say after Lucifer is gone that it won’t happen again. Much like the Big Bang theory exploding a hyper-dense mass of particles that were already there into the system we know today, Lucifer’s actions came about from the system already formed by God. It happened once, it can happen even after Lucifer is done.
A human could do it, or another angel. I mean, if you accept Heaven as some other dimension, than there could be beings more capable than Lucifer.
God would have to demolish this dimension/universe/whatever and recreate it removing all known corruption in his system. I don’t think he can do this.
By the way, I don’t believe God is omnipotent and I’m highly skeptical of the Bible that my beliefs are based on. And no, I’m not “converting” to atheism, buddhism, agnosticism, or anything. I’m just an anarchist Christian with too much skepticism (or cynicism) than I need.
same here... i’ve actually seriously wondered what if like a huge part of the bible, well even if its small, but important part, was lost in all of those translations. and why aren’t we allowed to put the dead sea scrolls back together? i’ve wondered why they wont let us see the true bible. a lot couldve been lost in all those translations
A lot of the “True” bible we don’t have original manuscripts for and a lot of the other books that they didn’t put in were not considered for the canon because of the date they were written(mostly). So that is why they wouldn’t let you see this “true” Bible.
RageOverdose wrote:
If you wanna discredit the Bible, then just think about this.
Yet, even Christians should think about this, maybe to expand their belief in God beyond the confines of just what the Bible tells you. After all, it may have been inspired by God and written through man, but in the end, man still wrote it, and man is imperfect, so it is reasonable to believe even the original writers took some liberties, of course, if you accept that man wrote it and not an angel or whatnot, but that’s beside the point.
So, in however many years when God decides to fulfill Revelations, how does that end the cycle of conflict?
See, here’s the dilemma.
In creating the angels, God wasn’t going to create them to merely to rebel against him. No. He gave them the same options of free will we have. So, Lucifer decided to attempt and overthrow of God. Didn’t work, so he’s cast out here to screw us up, basically.
Who’s to say after Lucifer is gone that it won’t happen again. Much like the Big Bang theory exploding a hyper-dense mass of particles that were already there into the system we know today, Lucifer’s actions came about from the system already formed by God. It happened once, it can happen even after Lucifer is done.
A human could do it, or another angel. I mean, if you accept Heaven as some other dimension, than there could be beings more capable than Lucifer.
God would have to demolish this dimension/universe/whatever and recreate it removing all known corruption in his system. I don’t think he can do this.
By the way, I don’t believe God is omnipotent and I’m highly skeptical of the Bible that my beliefs are based on. And no, I’m not “converting” to atheism, buddhism, agnosticism, or anything. I’m just an anarchist Christian with too much skepticism (or cynicism) than I need.
That was very well thought out and written. I will attempt to give my response to it.
First, the Bible was written by man and inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. Man IS imperfect but, contrary to your perception, God IS omniscient and omnipotent. Do you not think that the God that created the universe could make sure that the writers of the Bible made NO errors? That He made sure that the translators of the Bible made NO errors? That the printers of the many, many Bibles printed down through the centuries, no matter the type, made no errors that affected the meanings of Holy Scripture?
Second. God will create a new Heaven and a new earth (the first Heaven, I believe) 1000 years after the return of Jesus Christ to end all conflict on the earth and His restoration of perfection to the earth, where all Christians will live in peace with mankind, nature and the animal kingdom. Christians that have already gone to Heaven will also occupy, at times, this planet we love. When Jesus returns and ceases the horrible conflict that will be taking place and the near destruction of the planet, He will gather all non-believers and send the to their punishment, whatever that will be. At that time their fate will be of no concern to Christians. Christians have the duty today to lead the people to faith and salvation. If you are living when you see the return of Jesus, and you are not a believer, you will see and suffer this fate. That is why so many Christians try to offer the Fod News of Salvation through Jesus. We do it out of love. Not a fire and brimstone teaching but a teaching of love and joy through belief in Jesus Christ.
When Jesus returns he will ensnare Satan (his name has not been Lucifer since he was kicked out of permanent residence in Heavan and given the planet earth as his domain. He still was able to have access to Heaven where he accuses Christians daily, however, Jesus is our Righteous Councilor in Heaven and demolishes every argument that Satan makes to God the Father) and place him in the “Bottomless Pit”, in chains, until the end of the millenium, when he will be released for a short time to attempt to deceive the world again and create conflict. He will immediately be stopped and cast into the “Lake of Fire” for eternal punishment, without ever dying.
God will then take all the believers off the earth again, as he will do soon for the believers here now, and He will completely create the new Heaven and new earth and Christians will live in perfect bodies for all eternity.
Chilly man wrote:
That was very well thought out and written. I will attempt to give my response to it.
First, the Bible was written by man and inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. Man IS imperfect but, contrary to your perception, God IS omniscient and omnipotent. Do you not think that the God that created the universe could make sure that the writers of the Bible made NO errors? That He made sure that the translators of the Bible made NO errors? That the printers of the many, many Bibles printed down through the centuries, no matter the type, made no errors that affected the meanings of Holy Scripture?
Second. God will create a new Heaven and a new earth (the first Heaven, I believe) 1000 years after the return of Jesus Christ to end all conflict on the earth and His restoration of perfection to the earth, where all Christians will live in peace with mankind, nature and the animal kingdom. Christians that have already gone to Heaven will also occupy, at times, this planet we love. When Jesus returns and ceases the horrible conflict that will be taking place and the near destruction of the planet, He will gather all non-believers and send the to their punishment, whatever that will be. At that time their fate will be of no concern to Christians. Christians have the duty today to lead the people to faith and salvation. If you are living when you see the return of Jesus, and you are not a believer, you will see and suffer this fate. That is why so many Christians try to offer the Fod News of Salvation through Jesus. We do it out of love. Not a fire and brimstone teaching but a teaching of love and joy through belief in Jesus Christ.
When Jesus returns he will ensnare Satan (his name has not been Lucifer since he was kicked out of permanent residence in Heavan and given the planet earth as his domain. He still was able to have access to Heaven where he accuses Christians daily, however, Jesus is our Righteous Councilor in Heaven and demolishes every argument that Satan makes to God the Father) and place him in the “Bottomless Pit”, in chains, until the end of the millenium, when he will be released for a short time to attempt to deceive the world again and create conflict. He will immediately be stopped and cast into the “Lake of Fire” for eternal punishment, without ever dying.
God will then take all the believers off the earth again, as he will do soon for the believers here now, and He will completely create the new Heaven and new earth and Christians will live in perfect bodies for all eternity.
Is this what you think or what you know Chilly Man, because I’d like to see where exactly you come up with this and why you believe it’s the truth.
Indalecio said:
“Is this what you think or what you know Chilly Man, because I’d like to see where exactly you come up with this and why you believe it’s the truth.'
It’s a combination of three things Chibi:
1) Religious Education.
2) Holy Scriptures.
3) Faith in Jesus Christ and the inspiration of the Holy
Spirit.
Without Faith there is no salvation. Without salvation there is only death.
Gplex wrote:
I recognize patterns that we all take. I spend a lot of time, just listening to people, you start picking up on human patterns.
Well that’s your opinion. People do not change overnight. Someone who would fall back on a false argument, one day, will probably do it again the next.
That has nothing to do with authority, just my experiences dealing with people.
Ah but I did read part of it, and criticize that part I had read. From pass experience with you, it lead me to believe that your entire argument had a high probability of being irrational, and a waste of time.
I’m only irrational here, in the Religion section, because I come in here with some sort of motive of being right, or I did before, rather than expressing my opinions. With such a motive I can’t make a consistently rational argument because I’m always trying to get the other person to be wrong, regardless of how I do it. It was a foolish thing to do.
But, a person can change between today and tomorrow. I don’t know everything that happens to someone, so I can’t say what they’ll be like next. While I do tend to understand certain individuals (my family, friends, teachers), it’s easier to be wrong with people I don’t know, and a lot less hassle to not be wrong. But, damn if I don’t understand why you would think my whole post is irrational, and I can’t say I blame you. However, at the same time, the question I raised didn’t have much to do with my comment on my biblical skepticism. But I shouldn’t press that issue, since that question is best directed at Christians, not many others.
You are right, a person can change day by day, but from my experience, it usually just a little change.
RageOverdose wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Yes that’s exactly what I meant. How does my criticism, of the bible, taken as an insult from most believers, have to do with understanding then? The only reason someone would say the word understanding when someone is criticizing a belief, is to silence them. – Or respect, as I was taught.
Well, you could criticize a belief because of what you thought it meant, but it may not mean what you thought. I criticized your insults because I thought it meant something it didn’t, and that was based upon my assuming that people who insulted others don’t understand them, something I need to get out of my head. In fact, my whole belief in understanding others would probably be better formed if I took time to understand why people get insulted. Maybe it wouldn’t. I don’t know really.
But I’m not out to take away your right to insult anyone (free speech/expression/opinion). I’m sorry if you thought that. But I feel the same way when people criticize my religious beliefs, however irrational they may be, because based upon not only the US Constitution but the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I have every right to my religion.
You have every right to your religion, and I have every right to “insult” your choice.
RageOverdose wrote:
Gplex wrote:
You contradict yourself. One min you say you are skeptical of the bible, and you only have a belief in a god, and then you are trying to make arguments base on scripture. It’s not consistent with someone who is skeptical of the bible.
My assumption is that you are a Christian, who understands that omnipotence is logically impossible.
You’re right, I am contradicting myself.
I’m doing it because I come into this section of Movie Codec to be right, not to express my opinions. It’s a stupid reason, and one I’m done with.
Alright, but remember, you opinion is free to be mocked, if you ever feel like expressing it.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Chilly man wrote:
Indalecio said:
“Is this what you think or what you know Chilly Man, because I’d like to see where exactly you come up with this and why you believe it’s the truth.'
It’s a combination of three things Chibi:
1) Religious Education.
2) Holy Scriptures.
3) Faith in Jesus Christ and the inspiration of the Holy
Spirit.
Without Faith there is no salvation. Without salvation there is only death.
So you this is what you want to be true, not what is true.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
I respect your strong belief in what you believe...even if there is a good chance it isn’t true or made up ... your will is that of a champion of endangered/lost causes but even your cause is heard. To interpret scrutiny as ignorance in itself is ignorance
If you do not except scrutiny (or criticism)then YOU fail to support your cause but don’t worry chances are your cause will succeed to carry on with or with out you...
but isn’t your cause that much stronger if your listening to your critics and growing along with your cause...I try to do that though i am told i have no cause for being an atheist (i haven’t been criticized yet about my beliefs or the lack of them so feel free to do so)i may benefit from the discussion so please do not feel discouraged
Its not the scrutiny its the dogma. Debating is pointless, souls are too far gone here thats why he shook the dust from his feet, in other words he could take the heat but realized he had no reason to take it. Since ulimately no one was benefiting from it.
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