Somebody Convince me to belive in god

I am a man who is going through tough times as we all are, and i have been “believing” in god for a while, but i have realized i have only been pretending to nobody other than myself that i believe in god and that is useless.

My questions do not arise from science disproving god and things like, i have heard those things are a test of faith.

My question is: why would anyone go to hell?

I consider myself a good person, i have volunteered in less fortunate parts of the world to help them via my youth group. I have never truely beaten up another man and i have never done drugs despite hanging out with people who do.

But i do like violent movies and vidoe games, i enjoy heavy metal, and i masturbate. I could pretend i dont like these things, i could ignore them completly but that does not change the fact that i do like them... what would god think of this?

If god created me didnt he also create what i like? and if what i like is determined by what is on earth than would it be my parents fault? and whos fault would that be? their parents fault? going all the way back to cain and abel?

what about the people of other religions? why dont they get into heaven? the only reason they believe in another god is because they were borne into a place where people believe in another god and wouldnt the christian god have chosen to put them their?

What about people who preform misdeads? most of them preform misdeads because they are desperate and cannot make it for their family, and if someone is just naturaly violent didnt god just make them that way?


Please read all my points before yelling at me...
I just dont understand, please help me

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No one has to go to Hell. It that person’s choice.

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: No one has to go to Hell. It that person’s choice.

so when you die god says “do you want to go to heaven or hell?"

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No.

It’s based on if you are truly saved.

Only way for salvation is though Jesus.

Hell was made for Lucifer and the Fallen, not for man.

But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: No.

It’s based on if you are truly saved.

Only way for salvation is though Jesus.

Hell was made for Lucifer and the Fallen, not for man.

But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

“we willingly serve him” how do we make that choice? if we choose not to serve him isnt it because he created us to make that choice, and if not then is that choice dictated by the people we grew up with? is it their fault? How can god punish me for being me if he is the one who made me who i am?

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I have to say, I don’t see how someone could “convince” someone to have faith. I don’t think that’s really how it works. If you have to “try” to believe it, then it’s not for you.

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

People can’t have free will.
If an event has a cause, then it was forced. No choice, something else made it happen.
If an event has no cause, then it was random. That’s not a choice, that’s just chance. Could have turned out any other way.

Even if free will does exist (it doesn’t), is telling someone; “If you don’t love me you’ll be tortured forever." really giving them a choice? Seems like a threat to me.
Furthermore, could we be blamed for saying no? If I said “Marry me or die” to a random girl I met down the street, would it be her fault if she rejected me and got raped? After all, she chose to say no.

Ooooooooooooooooooh, I italicized the word 'chose'!

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

People can’t have free will.
If an event has a cause, then it was forced. No choice, something else made it happen.
If an event has no cause, then it was random. That’s not a choice, that’s just chance. Could have turned out any other way.

Even if free will does exist (it doesn’t), is telling someone; “If you don’t love me you’ll be tortured forever." really giving them a choice? Seems like a threat to me.
Furthermore, could we be blamed for saying no? If I said “Marry me or die” to a random girl I met down the street, would it be her fault if she rejected me and got raped? After all, she chose to say no.

Ooooooooooooooooooh, I italicized the word 'chose'!

What did you have for lunch today?

Might as well convince a monkey to not eat a banana. No point in trying to convince someone when it’s more than likely that they will not be swayed.

To each his own, I sayeth. I believe in Free Will, one of the things that doesn’t make sense in the Bible, if that’s what it says, IIRC (a bit hazy). If we had no free will, then we’d be doomed from the start with God putting the pieces together while playing the God version of Sims.

Zero Gravity

Darth Bane wrote: Might as well convince a monkey to not eat a banana. No point in trying to convince someone when it’s more than likely that they will not be swayed.

To each his own, I sayeth. I believe in Free Will, one of the things that doesn’t make sense in the Bible, if that’s what it says, IIRC (a bit hazy). If we had no free will, then we’d be doomed from the start with God putting the pieces together while playing the God version of Sims.

that is a good analogy I suppose Nihi

Well, shit. If we’re doomed from the start, and we can’t control it, might as well sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride while smoking a fat one.

Zero Gravity

That is true, but I’ll go with the free will scenario, cause the other scenario seems too atheist to me

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

People can’t have free will.
If an event has a cause, then it was forced. No choice, something else made it happen.
If an event has no cause, then it was random. That’s not a choice, that’s just chance. Could have turned out any other way.

Even if free will does exist (it doesn’t), is telling someone; “If you don’t love me you’ll be tortured forever." really giving them a choice? Seems like a threat to me.
Furthermore, could we be blamed for saying no? If I said “Marry me or die” to a random girl I met down the street, would it be her fault if she rejected me and got raped? After all, she chose to say no.

Ooooooooooooooooooh, I italicized the word 'chose'!

What did you have for lunch today?

A burrito. Now, address my points or die.

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

People can’t have free will.
If an event has a cause, then it was forced. No choice, something else made it happen.
If an event has no cause, then it was random. That’s not a choice, that’s just chance. Could have turned out any other way.

Even if free will does exist (it doesn’t), is telling someone; “If you don’t love me you’ll be tortured forever." really giving them a choice? Seems like a threat to me.
Furthermore, could we be blamed for saying no? If I said “Marry me or die” to a random girl I met down the street, would it be her fault if she rejected me and got raped? After all, she chose to say no.

Ooooooooooooooooooh, I italicized the word 'chose'!

What did you have for lunch today?

A burrito. Now, address my points or die.

there, my point is that, you ate teh burrito when you could have had something else

I had tacos for lunch and Chinese for dinnar.

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Pandora wrote: I had tacos for lunch and Chinese for dinnar.

sounds good I had Pizza fer dinner

I believe in Steve Austin, because Stone Cold said so.

Austin 3:16 - On the 8th day, God created Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Zero Gravity

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote:

Shaun of the Living wrote:

Sheogorath Worshiper wrote: But due to the fact that man has free will God dose not force us to serve him. We have to willingly serve him.

People can’t have free will.
If an event has a cause, then it was forced. No choice, something else made it happen.
If an event has no cause, then it was random. That’s not a choice, that’s just chance. Could have turned out any other way.

Even if free will does exist (it doesn’t), is telling someone; “If you don’t love me you’ll be tortured forever." really giving them a choice? Seems like a threat to me.
Furthermore, could we be blamed for saying no? If I said “Marry me or die” to a random girl I met down the street, would it be her fault if she rejected me and got raped? After all, she chose to say no.

Ooooooooooooooooooh, I italicized the word 'chose'!

What did you have for lunch today?

A burrito. Now, address my points or die.

there, my point is that, you ate teh burrito when you could have had something else

It’s going to seem like I’m pussying out but I have to go now, I’ll reply when I get home.

Darth Bane wrote: I believe in Steve Austin, because Stone Cold said so.

Austin 3:16 - On the 8th day, God created Stone Cold Steve Austin.

This is very true, that is SCU 101 basics thar

HEV_tux wrote: I am a man who is going through tough times as we all are, and i have been “believing” in god for a while, but i have realized i have only been pretending to nobody other than myself that i believe in god and that is useless.

I don’t know how you would do that but ok…

HEV_tux wrote: My questions do not arise from science disproving god and things like, i have heard those things are a test of faith.

Science concentrates on what it can prove, not what it can disprove.

HEV_tux wrote: My question is: why would anyone go to hell?

Because some all powerful being that doesn’t make sense that its followers claims it loves us is willing to burn you forever without mercy if you don’t do what it says - not my explanation.

HEV_tux wrote: I consider myself a good person, i have volunteered in less fortunate parts of the world to help them via my youth group. I have never truely beaten up another man and i have never done drugs despite hanging out with people who do.

What has doing drugs got to do with how you treat you fellow human being? As for beating people up… they deserved it. Hey I didn’t kill or seriously injure them..

HEV_tux wrote: But i do like violent movies and vidoe games, i enjoy heavy metal, and i masturbate. I could pretend i dont like these things, i could ignore them completly but that does not change the fact that i do like them... what would god think of this?

Ask yourself, did you have a choice about the thing you like? You will come to the same conclusion I did if you are honest with yourself.

HEV_tux wrote: If god created me didnt he also create what i like? and if what i like is determined by what is on earth than would it be my parents fault? and whos fault would that be? their parents fault? going all the way back to cain and abel?

I see you have some concept of why free will doesn’t make sense.

HEV_tux wrote: what about the people of other religions? why dont they get into heaven? the only reason they believe in another god is because they were borne into a place where people believe in another god and wouldnt the christian god have chosen to put them their?

Because the Christians who wrote the scriptures had a “my god is better than your god” mentality.

HEV_tux wrote: What about people who preform misdeads? most of them preform misdeads because they are desperate and cannot make it for their family, and if someone is just naturaly violent didnt god just make them that way?

Or maybe, just maybe they are a product of natural selection.

HEV_tux wrote: Please read all my points before yelling at me...
I just dont understand, please help me

You understand everything just find, you just don’t have the courage to take the next step and make a conclusion base on the evidence in front of you. I don’t blame you. Religions like Christianity have been set up to make you afraid, to scare you into submission.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews