The Afterlife.. Is there more?

God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

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Maggot Face wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Maggot Face wrote:

the117gamer wrote:

Maggot Face wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: well, if you believe in God and Jesus dieing for your sins you’ll have eternal life.

remember, you have to REPENT. Everyone does. EVERYONE has sin.


As for me, I do believe in an afterlife. And you can’t really scientifically disprove it.

“REPENT! REPENT YOU SLIME, OR I’M SENDING YOU TO HELL”

“But remember, I love you. <3”

-God

Well hey, at least he gives you a chance to say

“I’m sorry I sinneded Mr. God. May I go to heaven now plzkthx?"

Apparently if you’re Islamic you have to commit suicide >>

Wait a minute, your saying you would have to apologize for what he controls?

What He CAN control. That doesn’t mean he chooses to.

I COULD be ripping my eyeball out right now. Doesn’t mean I choose to.

But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

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bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

When did I ever get my first chance?

I hope you read Revelation one day ram. it just might change you, heck, read the whole Bible.

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bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

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ramunematt wrote: But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

God created us with free will, so if he planned everything out for us already then how is that free will? Point taken?

God gives what he promises, he promised us free will, so free will we have.

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ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

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bugsbunny wrote: I hope you read Revelation one day ram. it just might change you, heck, read the whole Bible.

Already did when I was little. Even back, when I was susceptible to pretty much any lie, I found most of it hard to believe.

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ramunematt wrote: But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

God created us with free will, so if he planned everything out for us already then how is that free will? Point taken?

God gives what he promises, he promised us free will, so free will we have.

So which one is it? Free will not all knowing or or divine plan/all knowing?

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bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?

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ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote: But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

God created us with free will, so if he planned everything out for us already then how is that free will? Point taken?

God gives what he promises, he promised us free will, so free will we have.

So which one is it? Free will not all knowing or or divine plan/all knowing?

Both, he gave us a free will, knows what will happen to us, but doesn’t intervene because if he does then we no longer have a free will.

Do you agree that you have a free will Matt?

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Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote: But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

God created us with free will, so if he planned everything out for us already then how is that free will? Point taken?

God gives what he promises, he promised us free will, so free will we have.

So which one is it? Free will not all knowing or or divine plan/all knowing?

Both, he gave us a free will, knows what will happen to us, but doesn’t intervene because if he does then we no longer have a free will.

Do you agree that you have a free will Matt?

You can’t have both. They’re incompatible.

Yes, I believe we have free will because I don’t believe there is some divine plan that was screwed up from the start.

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ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?

He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.

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bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?

He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.

So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.

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ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote: But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

God created us with free will, so if he planned everything out for us already then how is that free will? Point taken?

God gives what he promises, he promised us free will, so free will we have.

So which one is it? Free will not all knowing or or divine plan/all knowing?

Both, he gave us a free will, knows what will happen to us, but doesn’t intervene because if he does then we no longer have a free will.

Do you agree that you have a free will Matt?

You can’t have both. They’re incompatible.

Yes, I believe we have free will because I don’t believe there is some divine plan that was screwed up from the start.

They’re incompatible you say? Why?

Theoretically time travel is possible, meaning that it’s plausible that you can travel back in time. Meaning that your future is set in stone. Now just because you’re future is now predetermined doesn’t mean that your free will is gone.

Now why can’t there be a God that knows the future but chooses not to intervene in our affairs?

Do you want to know why? Because you refuse to accept that it’s even remotely possible that I’m right.

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ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?

He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.

So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.

Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.

All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.

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bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?

He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.

So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.

Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.

All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.

Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life first, and just so you know Matt...

God placed Satan in the garden of eden with the tree of life to further our free will. We had the right to choose between good and evil, and guess what? We chose evil.

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Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

ramunematt wrote: But didn’t god make a “divine” plan right from the start? If he did it means he planned everything, including you sinning.

Besides, if he CAN control it, then why doesn’t he? Maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.

God created us with free will, so if he planned everything out for us already then how is that free will? Point taken?

God gives what he promises, he promised us free will, so free will we have.

So which one is it? Free will not all knowing or or divine plan/all knowing?

Both, he gave us a free will, knows what will happen to us, but doesn’t intervene because if he does then we no longer have a free will.

Do you agree that you have a free will Matt?

You can’t have both. They’re incompatible.

Yes, I believe we have free will because I don’t believe there is some divine plan that was screwed up from the start.

They’re incompatible you say? Why?

Theoretically time travel is possible, meaning that it’s plausible that you can travel back in time. Meaning that your future is set in stone. Now just because you’re future is now predetermined doesn’t mean that your free will is gone.

Now why can’t there be a God that knows the future but chooses not to intervene in our affairs?

Do you want to know why? Because you refuse to accept that it’s even remotely possible that I’m right.

Actually, yes it does. Your future being predetermined means every move you will ever make has already been destined. Whether you think you have free will or not, if destiny exists then you can’t change it. Theoretically, even if you can change it, it means nothing because it would turn out it wasn’t your destiny in the first place.

Here is a link that explains why the two aren’t compatible

http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/foreknow.htm

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bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.

Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.

isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?

But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?

He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.

So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.

Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.

All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.

If god is all knowing then he knew Adam would eat the apple. If he had a divine plan, he planned that Adam ate the apple. Either way he screwed us over.

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ramunematt wrote: Actually, yes it does. Your future being predetermined means every move you will ever make has already been destined. Whether you think you have free will or not, if destiny exists then you can’t change it. Theoretically, even if you can change it, it means nothing because it would turn out it wasn’t your destiny in the first place.

Here is a link that explains why the two aren’t compatible

http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/foreknow.htm

So now I assume that you no longer believe in free will because it contradicts science, right?

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