bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life first, and just so you know Matt...
God placed Satan in the garden of eden with the tree of life to further our free will. We had the right to choose between good and evil, and guess what? We chose evil.
Yeah i know Eve did, for thats why Women have Labor pains when having children.
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bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
If god is all knowing then he knew Adam would eat the apple. If he had a divine plan, he planned that Adam ate the apple. Either way he screwed us over.
His plan was to create us and watch to see if we’d make the choice of good or make the choice of evil. It wasn’t his plan for Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, his plan was to give us a choice. Which they did, and it so happens that they made the wrong choice.
bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life first, and just so you know Matt...
God placed Satan in the garden of eden with the tree of life to further our free will. We had the right to choose between good and evil, and guess what? We chose evil.
Well actually since he is all knowing, he would know which one we would choose whether he sent the devil or not. So why did he send the devil and then blame us when he already knew it was going to happen? See what I mean by free will not being compatible with determinism?
Besides, why did his “perfect” creation choose evil? If he had a divine plan then he planned us to be evil. If he was all knowing then he would know we would turn out to be evil. He could have easily changed this before he put his plan into motion, but he didn’t. Either he had the will but couldn’t, or could but didn’t have the will.
ramunematt wrote:
Actually, yes it does. Your future being predetermined means every move you will ever make has already been destined. Whether you think you have free will or not, if destiny exists then you can’t change it. Theoretically, even if you can change it, it means nothing because it would turn out it wasn’t your destiny in the first place.
Here is a link that explains why the two aren’t compatible
bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life first, and just so you know Matt...
God placed Satan in the garden of eden with the tree of life to further our free will. We had the right to choose between good and evil, and guess what? We chose evil.
Yeah i know Eve did, for thats why Women have Labor pains when having children.
Just out of curiosity, why did god make men with nipples?
bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life first, and just so you know Matt...
God placed Satan in the garden of eden with the tree of life to further our free will. We had the right to choose between good and evil, and guess what? We chose evil.
Well actually since he is all knowing, he would know which one we would choose whether he sent the devil or not. So why did he send the devil and then blame us when he already knew it was going to happen? See what I mean by free will not being compatible with determinism?
Besides, why did his “perfect” creation choose evil? If he had a divine plan then he planned us to be evil. If he was all knowing then he would know we would turn out to be evil. He could have easily changed this before he put his plan into motion, but he didn’t. Either he had the will but couldn’t, or could but didn’t have the will.
Well the serpent decieved Eve, he said that eating the apple will have you like God, then she ate it and then adam after that.
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bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
If god is all knowing then he knew Adam would eat the apple. If he had a divine plan, he planned that Adam ate the apple. Either way he screwed us over.
His plan was to create us and watch to see if we’d make the choice of good or make the choice of evil. It wasn’t his plan for Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, his plan was to give us a choice. Which they did, and it so happens that they made the wrong choice.
But isn’t he all knowing? If he is all knowing he would have known what the results would be without even having to conduct that experiment.
bugsbunny wrote:
God knows all, he sent us on this earth to give us a “second chance” or something like that.
Surely he would have known ahead of time the “first chance” was a mistake.
isnt that why he sent his son to die for our sins? hmm?
But shouldn’t he have known we would have screwed up? Besides, why send down his only son to die for our sins? Why not just forgive them? Who is he trying to impress?
He made us so we could know him. He wanted us to know Him, and Jesus.
So he created an an entire race that has had to deal to pain and suffering that he has “blessed” us with, and sends billions to eternity in hell to live with agony, and have millions of people die in his name just so we could know him? That sounds very arrogant.
Who said God wanted us dead? We would of never died if it wasnt for Adam. He made us die by eating the apple. Then God cursed us. For we disobeyed Him. So now, no man lives beyond 120 years. as the Bible states.
All the death etc, is caused by the Devil.
Eve ate the fruit from the tree of life first, and just so you know Matt...
God placed Satan in the garden of eden with the tree of life to further our free will. We had the right to choose between good and evil, and guess what? We chose evil.
Well actually since he is all knowing, he would know which one we would choose whether he sent the devil or not. So why did he send the devil and then blame us when he already knew it was going to happen? See what I mean by free will not being compatible with determinism?
Besides, why did his “perfect” creation choose evil? If he had a divine plan then he planned us to be evil. If he was all knowing then he would know we would turn out to be evil. He could have easily changed this before he put his plan into motion, but he didn’t. Either he had the will but couldn’t, or could but didn’t have the will.
Well the serpent decieved Eve, he said that eating the apple will have you like God, then she ate it and then adam after that.
So then why didn’t god just put a stop to it? Shouldn’t he have known the serpent would have succeeded? If he did then why create the serpent in the first place?
ramunematt wrote:
Well actually since he is all knowing, he would know which one we would choose whether he sent the devil or not. So why did he send the devil and then blame us when he already knew it was going to happen? See what I mean by free will not being compatible with determinism?
Besides, why did his “perfect” creation choose evil? If he had a divine plan then he planned us to be evil. If he was all knowing then he would know we would turn out to be evil. He could have easily changed this before he put his plan into motion, but he didn’t. Either he had the will but couldn’t, or could but didn’t have the will.
You’re not getting this are You?
Let me make this simple for you. God CAN see into the future, he CAN become all knowing and see what we have in store for us. BUT because he’s all powerful he can decide NOT to know what the future hold, however he is still all knowing, because he knows that he CAN see what it is.
Now, that’s one way too look at it. The other way too look at is this way. God knows every move we’ll ever make, BUT we still have free will because we can decide not to make that move. Does this mean God didn’t know it would happen? No, it means that he knew it would happen. But once again you can say, well since it’s fate it’s not free will, but it still is. It’s free will because you freely choose to it on your own with no outside influences.
ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Actually, yes it does. Your future being predetermined means every move you will ever make has already been destined. Whether you think you have free will or not, if destiny exists then you can’t change it. Theoretically, even if you can change it, it means nothing because it would turn out it wasn’t your destiny in the first place.
Here is a link that explains why the two aren’t compatible
bugsbunny wrote:
And because we chose evil, God wont allow sin into heaven so he is giving us a chance to get rid of sin on this earth.
Why doesn’t he get rid of the sin himself? That seems like a much easier plan.
and He did by sending His Son to die on the cross.
So then why do we still have so much sin in the world? Why are we still born with original sin? And why sacrifice someone to forgive the sins? Couldn’t he just have forgiven us?
ramunematt wrote:
But isn’t he all knowing? If he is all knowing he would have known what the results would be without even having to conduct that experiment.
Scientist create experiments with animals, they know what will happen already, so why do they still do it? To observe it.
bugsbunny wrote:
And because we chose evil, God wont allow sin into heaven so he is giving us a chance to get rid of sin on this earth.
Why doesn’t he get rid of the sin himself? That seems like a much easier plan.
and He did by sending His Son to die on the cross.
So then why do we still have so much sin in the world? Why are we still born with original sin? And why sacrifice someone to forgive the sins? Couldn’t he just have forgiven us?
Listen again, we are born with sin because of Adam and Eve eating the apple from the tree that God commanded not to. He sacrificed His Son to save us.
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ramunematt wrote:
Well actually since he is all knowing, he would know which one we would choose whether he sent the devil or not. So why did he send the devil and then blame us when he already knew it was going to happen? See what I mean by free will not being compatible with determinism?
Besides, why did his “perfect” creation choose evil? If he had a divine plan then he planned us to be evil. If he was all knowing then he would know we would turn out to be evil. He could have easily changed this before he put his plan into motion, but he didn’t. Either he had the will but couldn’t, or could but didn’t have the will.
You’re not getting this are You?
Let me make this simple for you. God CAN see into the future, he CAN become all knowing and see what we have in store for us. BUT because he’s all powerful he can decide NOT to know what the future hold, however he is still all knowing, because he knows that he CAN see what it is.
Now, that’s one way too look at it. The other way too look at is this way. God knows every move we’ll ever make, BUT we still have free will because we can decide not to make that move. Does this mean God didn’t know it would happen? No, it means that he knew it would happen. But once again you can say, well since it’s fate it’s not free will, but it still is. It’s free will because you freely choose to it on your own with no outside influences.
ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Actually, yes it does. Your future being predetermined means every move you will ever make has already been destined. Whether you think you have free will or not, if destiny exists then you can’t change it. Theoretically, even if you can change it, it means nothing because it would turn out it wasn’t your destiny in the first place.
Here is a link that explains why the two aren’t compatible
So now I assume that you no longer believe in free will because it contradicts science, right?
No, because I don’t believe in foreknowledge/destiny.
So you don’t believe that Time Travel is theoretically possible either? Even though most scientist say it is?
You still don’t understand why determinism and free will are incompatible. I don’t blame you, it took me a while to figure it out too. I think I might be able to ask a question that will put your hypothesis to the test:
Can god ask a question that he himself doesn’t know the answer to?
Theoretically I think time travel might be possible, but as far as I know time only moves in one direction. That, and time dilation, which has been observed.
