The bible.

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote: Ok... whats more likely that god wrote the bible knowing that people would re write it, or that the bible was written by a person?

Well, to me, it’s the latter, but I don’t see why you’re asking.

What is more likely.
God wrote the bible, knowing that it would be rewritten
or
People wrote the bible

Depends upon your mindset, I believe the first and it’s obvious that you believe the second. 'Logic' isn’t a universal constant, you should know that.

THE KING HAS RETURNED!

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote: Primitive - A person belonging to a nonindustrial, often tribal society, especially a society characterized by a low level of economic complexity.

Igonrant - Lacking education or knowledge.

Yes, I believe they where primitive and ignorant.

Durring the time of the New Testiment, everybody on earth was Ignorant and Primal. How is the Bible any less of a source of knowledge than anybody else?

Knowledge in what? You need to state more detail when you say things like this.

Actually, you do. Your the one that defined Ignorant as lacking education or knowledge, so you need to provide what knowledge is considered acceptable to give credibility to something.

Knowledge of the natural world..

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote: Ok... whats more likely that god wrote the bible knowing that people would re write it, or that the bible was written by a person?

Well, to me, it’s the latter, but I don’t see why you’re asking.

What is more likely.
God wrote the bible, knowing that it would be rewritten
or
People wrote the bible

I already said, to me, it’s the latter.
I don’t see why you’re asking, though.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote: Ok... whats more likely that god wrote the bible knowing that people would re write it, or that the bible was written by a person?

Well, to me, it’s the latter, but I don’t see why you’re asking.

What is more likely.
God wrote the bible, knowing that it would be rewritten
or
People wrote the bible

I already said, to me, it’s the latter.
I don’t see why you’re asking, though.

Because if you said god wrote the bible, I want to know what convinced you of this.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote: Primitive - A person belonging to a nonindustrial, often tribal society, especially a society characterized by a low level of economic complexity.

Igonrant - Lacking education or knowledge.

Yes, I believe they where primitive and ignorant.

Durring the time of the New Testiment, everybody on earth was Ignorant and Primal. How is the Bible any less of a source of knowledge than anybody else?

Knowledge in what? You need to state more detail when you say things like this.

Actually, you do. Your the one that defined Ignorant as lacking education or knowledge, so you need to provide what knowledge is considered acceptable to give credibility to something.

Knowledge of the natural world..

None of the ancient civilizations around during the time of the bibles writings had knowledge of the natural world. Would you discredit everything they write simply on the premise that they understand less than us? If so what is the point of recording history? We are always discovering new things which shed new light upon the natural world, should we throw every account of the history of earth out whenever new information becomes available to us?

THE KING HAS RETURNED!

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote: Ok... whats more likely that god wrote the bible knowing that people would re write it, or that the bible was written by a person?

Well, to me, it’s the latter, but I don’t see why you’re asking.

What is more likely.
God wrote the bible, knowing that it would be rewritten
or
People wrote the bible

I already said, to me, it’s the latter.
I don’t see why you’re asking, though.

Because if you said god wrote the bible, I want to know what convinced you of this.

I didn’t. I said that, with all of the human interaction in writing the bible, and all the revisions and whatnot down the line, it puts the idea of God writing the bible into question.

God did not write the Bible, men wrote the Bible under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God was the author, the men were the scribes.

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote:

derdev789 wrote:

Gplex wrote: Primitive - A person belonging to a nonindustrial, often tribal society, especially a society characterized by a low level of economic complexity.

Igonrant - Lacking education or knowledge.

Yes, I believe they where primitive and ignorant.

Durring the time of the New Testiment, everybody on earth was Ignorant and Primal. How is the Bible any less of a source of knowledge than anybody else?

Knowledge in what? You need to state more detail when you say things like this.

Actually, you do. Your the one that defined Ignorant as lacking education or knowledge, so you need to provide what knowledge is considered acceptable to give credibility to something.

Knowledge of the natural world..

None of the ancient civilizations around during the time of the bibles writings had knowledge of the natural world. Would you discredit everything they write simply on the premise that they understand less than us? If so what is the point of recording history? We are always discovering new things which shed new light upon the natural world, should we throw every account of the history of earth out whenever new information becomes available to us?

Strange... the greeks knew the earth was a shere, and even calculated the size, they even theorise the atom, the chinese, egyptians, and babylonians came up with some complex mathematics.. But I can not make these claims on the behalf of all greek, or chineses etc. I can only make these claims of people who knew this kind of knowledge. Just as i can look at the bible and know, these people didnt know much about the natural universe.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: I didn’t. I said that, with all of the human interaction in writing the bible, and all the revisions and whatnot down the line, it puts the idea of God writing the bible into question.

I know you didnt, thats what I want you to answer, do you or dont you belive that the bible was written by a god, and if so, why?

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: I didn’t. I said that, with all of the human interaction in writing the bible, and all the revisions and whatnot down the line, it puts the idea of God writing the bible into question.

I know you didnt, thats what I want you to answer, do you or dont you belive that the bible was written by a god, and if so, why?

I did answer; I said no, because of all of the human interaction in the process makes it questionable otherwise.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: I didn’t. I said that, with all of the human interaction in writing the bible, and all the revisions and whatnot down the line, it puts the idea of God writing the bible into question.

I know you didnt, thats what I want you to answer, do you or dont you belive that the bible was written by a god, and if so, why?

I did answer; I said no, because of all of the human interaction in the process makes it questionable otherwise.

The part you added on the end, leads me to believe, that you might believe it if we knew it was never re written many times over time.

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Ty, if there is an omnipotent, omniscient being that created the universe, don’t you think that he could see to it that His word would never be altered so as to change the meaning of what He intended it to say?

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: I didn’t. I said that, with all of the human interaction in writing the bible, and all the revisions and whatnot down the line, it puts the idea of God writing the bible into question.

I know you didnt, thats what I want you to answer, do you or dont you belive that the bible was written by a god, and if so, why?

I did answer; I said no, because of all of the human interaction in the process makes it questionable otherwise.

The part you added on the end, leads me to believe, that you might believe it if we knew it was never re written many times over time.

I’m looking at it as a sequential process:
God comes up with list of ideas
Tells person, who writes original bible
Rewrites occur around here
Final products.
That’s how I started it (with the one person, Shadow, asking what made you believe that it was written by primitive people), and I came to the conclusion that there is a lot of potential at any place in that line for human influence to completely change anything before it.
Even if there were no rewrites, there is still a possibility the original was influenced by the man who wrote it to at least some degree.

Chilly man wrote: Ty, if there is an omnipotent, omniscient being that created the universe, don’t you think that he could see to it that His word would never be altered so as to change the meaning of what He intended it to say?

I’ve been asked that before. Right now the first response is that, if it is omnipotent and omniscient, and actually did have part in making the bible, it may see it as insignificant and not care if humanity understood it word for word. Alternatively, it could also have done such purposely for a higher reason.

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: I’m looking at it as a sequential process:
God comes up with list of ideas
Tells person, who writes original bible
Rewrites occur around here
Final products.
That’s how I started it (with the one person, Shadow, asking what made you believe that it was written by primitive people), and I came to the conclusion that there is a lot of potential at any place in that line for human influence to completely change anything before it.
Even if there were no rewrites, there is still a possibility the original was influenced by the man who wrote it to at least some degree.

wow.. just wow.. you are really really good at avoiding direct answers...

So can I leave it with you to agree with me, that there is no reason to belive that the bible was written by, or directed by a allpowerfull all knowing god?

Cid wrote: You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote: I’m looking at it as a sequential process:
God comes up with list of ideas
Tells person, who writes original bible
Rewrites occur around here
Final products.
That’s how I started it (with the one person, Shadow, asking what made you believe that it was written by primitive people), and I came to the conclusion that there is a lot of potential at any place in that line for human influence to completely change anything before it.
Even if there were no rewrites, there is still a possibility the original was influenced by the man who wrote it to at least some degree.

wow.. just wow.. you are really really good at avoiding direct answers...

So can I leave it with you to agree with me, that there is no reason to belive that the bible was written by, or directed by a allpowerfull all knowing god?

I thought the last part was fairly direct, I’m just trying to explain my line of thinking.
I personally believe that God didn’t write or direct the bible.
Is that better?

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Chilly man wrote: Ty, if there is an omnipotent, omniscient being that created the universe, don’t you think that he could see to it that His word would never be altered so as to change the meaning of what He intended it to say?

I’ve been asked that before. Right now the first response is that, if it is omnipotent and omniscient, and actually did have part in making the bible, it may see it as insignificant and not care if humanity understood it word for word. Alternatively, it could also have done such purposely for a higher reason.

OK, I understand your point. We Christians believe that our God cannot lie, He is perfect.
(I know you didn’t call Him a liar but if he made something not to be understood, wouldn’t that kind of be the same as lying? I can’t see an all-powerful, all-knowing and perfect being as thinking anything He said as insignificant. Our God did inspire the Bible to understand certain Scriptures slightly different to apply to each person that seeks an answer to his question or problem. That is why people can understand certain verses that apply to thier personal problem differently than others. Also, when John and Daniel wrote their prophesies and didn’t understand certain parts God told them it wasn’t for them to understand as they were “sealed up until the time of the end”. Our bible scholars understand much of the prophesies that the Jewish leaders did not understand for many centuries. Also, our God wrote prophesies that sometime applied to different generations (“history repeats itself).

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Shadow Archon wrote: What makes you think that it was?

The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.

umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.

“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Gplex wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Shadow Archon wrote: What makes you think that it was?

The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.

What makes you think this?

I thought it was pretty clear. Well, it was written by a person, way back when, and over the years has gone through many different revisions. That’s a lot of potential for a person to put in their opinions and simply claim it as God’s word.

EDIT: Forgot the translations as well, with possible translation errors.

umm... it wasnt written by only one person...

“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”

crys14 wrote:

Tyreaus Dreacon wrote:

Shadow Archon wrote: What makes you think that it was?

The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.

umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.

I’m addressing the idea that God wrote the bible, though.

crys14 wrote: umm... it wasnt written by only one person...

My correction, then, but general point is still there.