Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
I’m addressing the idea that God wrote the bible, though.
crys14 wrote:
umm... it wasnt written by only one person...
My correction, then, but general point is still there.
God didn’t write the bible tho. People wrote accounts of their lives and for us to know how we should live and what could happen during God’s anger or during god’s happiness. It was also written as a code we should follow and what is right or wrong. the new testament are recordings of Jesus’s life and what he did for God and for us. How we should be greatful because he died in the cross for our sins so we wouldnt all end up in hell. And anyways... have you guys thought of something? suppose you guys are right and God doesnt exist... we have nothing to lose. But turn it around if God does exist then where will you guys end up?
__________________
“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”
Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
And you don’t consider inspiration to be a form of communication, correct?
Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
And you don’t consider inspiration to be a form of communication, correct?
yes infact i do... i am christian but he is saying that we believe that God directly told a person what to write
__________________
“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”
Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
I’m addressing the idea that God wrote the bible, though.
crys14 wrote:
umm... it wasnt written by only one person...
My correction, then, but general point is still there.
God didn’t write the bible tho. People wrote accounts of their lives and for us to know how we should live and what could happen during God’s anger or during god’s happiness. It was also written as a code we should follow and what is right or wrong. the new testament are recordings of Jesus’s life and what he did for God and for us. How we should be greatful because he died in the cross for our sins so we wouldnt all end up in hell. And anyways... have you guys thought of something? suppose you guys are right and God doesnt exist... we have nothing to lose. But turn it around if God does exist then where will you guys end up?
It is a sad choice to do something only because of what might happen to you.
Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
I’m addressing the idea that God wrote the bible, though.
crys14 wrote:
umm... it wasnt written by only one person...
My correction, then, but general point is still there.
God didn’t write the bible tho. People wrote accounts of their lives and for us to know how we should live and what could happen during God’s anger or during god’s happiness. It was also written as a code we should follow and what is right or wrong. the new testament are recordings of Jesus’s life and what he did for God and for us. How we should be greatful because he died in the cross for our sins so we wouldnt all end up in hell. And anyways... have you guys thought of something? suppose you guys are right and God doesnt exist... we have nothing to lose. But turn it around if God does exist then where will you guys end up?
It is a sad choice to do something only because of what might happen to you.
we dont just do it because of what MIGHT happen to us... we do it because we believe in God and because we trust him fully. and we have faith in him. it would be stupid to do something just because your scared at what MIGHT happen. i’m just saying though, where would you guys end up? i dont worship God just because i’m scared of him i do it because i believe in him.
__________________
“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”
Haylias wrote:
The Bible doesn’t get my vote for various reasons.
1. Riddled with contradictions
2. Scientific innacuracies
3. Morals I don’t agree with (sometimes)
4. Sounds like a fairy tale book.
1. what contradictions?
2. science may be the answer to a lot of things but not to everything has to be explained by science
3. like what morals? (just curious)
4. there are a lot of deaths and things dont always end happily ever after... how the hell is that a fairy tale? the main character dies (Jesus) and there is a lot of death and sometimes torture
__________________
“Sometimes i feel like a butterfly trapped inside a cocoon
wishing i could spread my wings and fly away”
Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
I’m addressing the idea that God wrote the bible, though.
crys14 wrote:
umm... it wasnt written by only one person...
My correction, then, but general point is still there.
God didn’t write the bible tho. People wrote accounts of their lives and for us to know how we should live and what could happen during God’s anger or during god’s happiness. It was also written as a code we should follow and what is right or wrong. the new testament are recordings of Jesus’s life and what he did for God and for us. How we should be greatful because he died in the cross for our sins so we wouldnt all end up in hell. And anyways... have you guys thought of something? suppose you guys are right and God doesnt exist... we have nothing to lose. But turn it around if God does exist then where will you guys end up?
It is a sad choice to do something only because of what might happen to you.
Dream, most Christians don’t believe out of fear, they believe out of love and gratefullness. We are grateful for God’s never-ending love for us. For the sacrifice He made in making the part of Him we call The Word incarnate in Jesus and then letting Jesus be killed by His own creation so that his creation could be rescued from the penalty (death) we owe owe for our sins. God is perfect and cannot abide sin. All mankind sins and deserves to be punished when they die. God gave us a way out by paying our penalty with Jesus death. Jesus was Resurrected showing that after we die we, too, will be bodily resurrected to live in our perfect bodies for all eternity. If we don’t accept God’s gift of forgiveness then we must pay the penalty ourselves by death and punishment. Don’t you think you could love a God that has done so much for you? If a human saved you from a horrible death, would you not love (platonic) that person? I know I would and I do.
Haylias wrote:
The Bible doesn’t get my vote for various reasons.
1. Riddled with contradictions
2. Scientific innacuracies
3. Morals I don’t agree with (sometimes)
4. Sounds like a fairy tale book.
1. what contradictions?
2. science may be the answer to a lot of things but not to everything has to be explained by science
3. like what morals? (just curious)
4. there are a lot of deaths and things dont always end happily ever after... how the hell is that a fairy tale? the main character dies (Jesus) and there is a lot of death and sometimes torture
Haylias,
Could you elaborate on your answers to CRYS14? I didn’t understand and, if you’d let me, I’d like to respectfully debate this with you:
#1. “421” what?
#2. I understood this one.
#3. What morals? You said “more
than these”. What these?
Chilly man wrote:
Haylias,
Could you elaborate on your answers to CRYS14? I didn’t understand and, if you’d let me, I’d like to respectfully debate this with you:
#1. “421” what?
#2. I understood this one.
#3. What morals? You said “more
than these”. What these?
#4. What are you defining there?
Thanks.
Number 2 and 3 are links, and I am defining the word “Fairy Tale”.
Chilly man wrote:
Haylias,
Could you elaborate on your answers to CRYS14? I didn’t understand and, if you’d let me, I’d like to respectfully debate this with you:
#1. “421” what?
#2. I understood this one.
#3. What morals? You said “more
than these”. What these?
#4. What are you defining there?
Thanks.
Number 2 and 3 are links, and I am defining the word “Fairy Tale”.
Thanks, My eyes must be goin bad, I didn’t even see the blue print the first time. Sorry to be a pain but what are the 421?
Chilly man wrote:
Haylias,
Could you elaborate on your answers to CRYS14? I didn’t understand and, if you’d let me, I’d like to respectfully debate this with you:
#1. “421” what?
#2. I understood this one.
#3. What morals? You said “more
than these”. What these?
#4. What are you defining there?
Thanks.
Number 2 and 3 are links, and I am defining the word “Fairy Tale”.
Thanks, My eyes must be goin bad, I didn’t even see the blue print the first time. Sorry to be a pain but what are the 421?
Shadow Archon wrote:
What makes you think that it was?
The fact that God didn’t personally write it and send the book down, and apparently “talked” to other people to get it to write it for him, and the multiple revisions as well, at least throws doubt into the idea of God having wrote it.
umm... have you read it? its actually accounts of other peoples lives. and the only part that god “talked” people into writing was the ten commandments.
I’m addressing the idea that God wrote the bible, though.
crys14 wrote:
umm... it wasnt written by only one person...
My correction, then, but general point is still there.
God didn’t write the bible tho. People wrote accounts of their lives and for us to know how we should live and what could happen during God’s anger or during god’s happiness. It was also written as a code we should follow and what is right or wrong. the new testament are recordings of Jesus’s life and what he did for God and for us. How we should be greatful because he died in the cross for our sins so we wouldnt all end up in hell. And anyways... have you guys thought of something? suppose you guys are right and God doesnt exist... we have nothing to lose. But turn it around if God does exist then where will you guys end up?
It is a sad choice to do something only because of what might happen to you.
we dont just do it because of what MIGHT happen to us... we do it because we believe in God and because we trust him fully. and we have faith in him. it would be stupid to do something just because your scared at what MIGHT happen. i’m just saying though, where would you guys end up? i dont worship God just because i’m scared of him i do it because i believe in him.
We would end up in hell. Where would you end up if one of the 6 billion or so other religions are correct and yours is wrong? What makes you so sure you are right? And thats just the active religions there have been many more.
Chilly man wrote:
Haylias,
Could you elaborate on your answers to CRYS14? I didn’t understand and, if you’d let me, I’d like to respectfully debate this with you:
#1. “421” what?
#2. I understood this one.
#3. What morals? You said “more
than these”. What these?
#4. What are you defining there?
Thanks.
Number 2 and 3 are links, and I am defining the word “Fairy Tale”.
Thanks, My eyes must be goin bad, I didn’t even see the blue print the first time. Sorry to be a pain but what are the 421?
421 contradictions within the bible.
OK Haylias, I’m going to take the most important of the 421 points from your ref. site, the comparison of Romans 4:2 vs. James 2:21 because it is one of the most important tenets of our beliefs. Whether you are saved by faith or works. It may take time because I’m not smart enough to know exactly why there seems to be a contradiction, but I know a bible expert that I can e-mail that will give me the correct answer.
It’ll take a few days to get his response. Hope you don’t mind. I’ll work on your other three points while I’m waiting and when I get all the answers I’ll put them in here. Is that OK with you?
Chilly man wrote:
Haylias,
Could you elaborate on your answers to CRYS14? I didn’t understand and, if you’d let me, I’d like to respectfully debate this with you:
#1. “421” what?
#2. I understood this one.
#3. What morals? You said “more
than these”. What these?
#4. What are you defining there?
Thanks.
Number 2 and 3 are links, and I am defining the word “Fairy Tale”.
Thanks, My eyes must be goin bad, I didn’t even see the blue print the first time. Sorry to be a pain but what are the 421?
421 contradictions within the bible.
OK Haylias, I’m going to take the most important of the 421 points from your ref. site, the comparison of Romans 4:2 vs. James 2:21 because it is one of the most important tenets of our beliefs. Whether you are saved by faith or works. It may take time because I’m not smart enough to know exactly why there seems to be a contradiction, but I know a bible expert that I can e-mail that will give me the correct answer.
It’ll take a few days to get his response. Hope you don’t mind. I’ll work on your other three points while I’m waiting and when I get all the answers I’ll put them in here. Is that OK with you?
