Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is unobservable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
gabmed wrote:
is theists really a word?
lol just put religious and atheists
it is, it is the basic term for believing in God, you don’t need to have a religion to believe in God, Albert Einstein had no religion but still believed there was a God
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now? I still believe in evolution and stuff but I don’t believe that reality is the way it is for only the reason that it is.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
So you can either beleive we have an illusion of control or free will, I don’t believe im typing this because thats just what the chemicals are doing.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
So you can either beleive we have an illusion of control or free will, I don’t believe im typing this because thats just what the chemicals are doing.
The chemical reactions in your brain are making you think like that and responding in such a manner. Tell me how can you have free will when everything you do is based on expirence? You hesitate before jumping off something high because you know it could hurt you. That is an example. You don’t have free will. Simply a product of natural process at work.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
So you can either beleive we have an illusion of control or free will, I don’t believe im typing this because thats just what the chemicals are doing.
The chemical reactions in your brain are making you think like that and responding in such a manner. Tell me how can you have free will when everything you do is based on expirence? You hesitate before jumping off something high because you know it could hurt you. That is an example. You don’t have free will. Simply a product of natural process at work.
The voices in my head that are telling me i’m right are just the chemicals? I can make my own choices and think of things that I have no experiences with, chemicals cannot generate complex thoughs, they can only generate instincts
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
So you can either beleive we have an illusion of control or free will, I don’t believe im typing this because thats just what the chemicals are doing.
The chemical reactions in your brain are making you think like that and responding in such a manner. Tell me how can you have free will when everything you do is based on expirence? You hesitate before jumping off something high because you know it could hurt you. That is an example. You don’t have free will. Simply a product of natural process at work.
The voices in my head that are telling me i’m right are just the chemicals? I can make my own choices and think of things that I have no experiences with, chemicals cannot generate complex thoughs, they can only generate instincts
This schematic shows the brain regions (green) from which the outcome of a participant’s decision can be predicted before it is made. Courtesy John-Dylan Haynes.
You may think you decided to read this story — but in fact, your brain made the decision long before you knew about it.
In a study published Sunday in Nature Neuroscience, researchers using brain scanners could predict people’s decisions seven seconds before the test subjects were even aware of making them.
The decision studied — whether to hit a button with one’s left or right hand — may not be representative of complicated choices that are more integrally tied to our sense of self-direction. Regardless, the findings raise profound questions about the nature of self and autonomy: How free is our will? Is conscious choice just an illusion?
“Your decisions are strongly prepared by brain activity. By the time consciousness kicks in, most of the work has already been done," said study co-author John-Dylan Haynes, a Max Planck Institute neuroscientist.
Haynes updated a classic experiment by the late Benjamin Libet, who showed that a brain region involved in coordinating motor activity fired a fraction of a second before test subjects chose to push a button. Later studies supported Libet’s theory that subconscious activity preceded and determined conscious choice — but none found such a vast gap between a decision and the experience of making it as Haynes' study has.
In the seven seconds before Haynes' test subjects chose to push a button, activity shifted in their frontopolar cortex, a brain region associated with high-level planning. Soon afterwards, activity moved to the parietal cortex, a region of sensory integration. Haynes' team monitored these shifting neural patterns using a functional MRI machine.
Taken together, the patterns consistently predicted whether test subjects eventually pushed a button with their left or right hand — a choice that, to them, felt like the outcome of conscious deliberation. For those accustomed to thinking of themselves as having free will, the implications are far more unsettling than learning about the physiological basis of other brain functions.
Caveats remain, holding open the door for free will. For instance, the experiment may not reflect the mental dynamics of other, more complicated decisions.
“Real-life decisions — am I going to buy this house or that one, take this job or that — aren’t decisions that we can implement very well in our brain scanners," said Haynes.
Also, the predictions were not completely accurate. Maybe free will enters at the last moment, allowing a person to override an unpalatable subconscious decision.
“We can’t rule out that there’s a free will that kicks in at this late point," said Haynes, who intends to study this phenomenon next. “But I don’t think it’s plausible."
That implausibility doesn’t disturb Haynes.
“It’s not like you’re a machine. Your brain activity is the physiological substance in which your personality and wishes and desires operate," he said.
The unease people feel at the potential unreality of free will, said National Institutes of Health neuroscientist Mark Hallett, originates in a misconception of self as separate from the brain.
“That’s the same notion as the mind being separate from the body — and I don’t think anyone really believes that," said Hallett. “A different way of thinking about it is that your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing."
Hallett doubts that free will exists as a separate, independent force.
“If it is, we haven’t put our finger on it," he said. “But we’re happy to keep looking."
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
So you can either beleive we have an illusion of control or free will, I don’t believe im typing this because thats just what the chemicals are doing.
The chemical reactions in your brain are making you think like that and responding in such a manner. Tell me how can you have free will when everything you do is based on expirence? You hesitate before jumping off something high because you know it could hurt you. That is an example. You don’t have free will. Simply a product of natural process at work.
The voices in my head that are telling me i’m right are just the chemicals? I can make my own choices and think of things that I have no experiences with, chemicals cannot generate complex thoughs, they can only generate instincts
This schematic shows the brain regions (green) from which the outcome of a participant’s decision can be predicted before it is made. Courtesy John-Dylan Haynes.
You may think you decided to read this story — but in fact, your brain made the decision long before you knew about it.
In a study published Sunday in Nature Neuroscience, researchers using brain scanners could predict people’s decisions seven seconds before the test subjects were even aware of making them.
The decision studied — whether to hit a button with one’s left or right hand — may not be representative of complicated choices that are more integrally tied to our sense of self-direction. Regardless, the findings raise profound questions about the nature of self and autonomy: How free is our will? Is conscious choice just an illusion?
“Your decisions are strongly prepared by brain activity. By the time consciousness kicks in, most of the work has already been done," said study co-author John-Dylan Haynes, a Max Planck Institute neuroscientist.
Haynes updated a classic experiment by the late Benjamin Libet, who showed that a brain region involved in coordinating motor activity fired a fraction of a second before test subjects chose to push a button. Later studies supported Libet’s theory that subconscious activity preceded and determined conscious choice — but none found such a vast gap between a decision and the experience of making it as Haynes' study has.
In the seven seconds before Haynes' test subjects chose to push a button, activity shifted in their frontopolar cortex, a brain region associated with high-level planning. Soon afterwards, activity moved to the parietal cortex, a region of sensory integration. Haynes' team monitored these shifting neural patterns using a functional MRI machine.
Taken together, the patterns consistently predicted whether test subjects eventually pushed a button with their left or right hand — a choice that, to them, felt like the outcome of conscious deliberation. For those accustomed to thinking of themselves as having free will, the implications are far more unsettling than learning about the physiological basis of other brain functions.
Caveats remain, holding open the door for free will. For instance, the experiment may not reflect the mental dynamics of other, more complicated decisions.
“Real-life decisions — am I going to buy this house or that one, take this job or that — aren’t decisions that we can implement very well in our brain scanners," said Haynes.
Also, the predictions were not completely accurate. Maybe free will enters at the last moment, allowing a person to override an unpalatable subconscious decision.
“We can’t rule out that there’s a free will that kicks in at this late point," said Haynes, who intends to study this phenomenon next. “But I don’t think it’s plausible."
That implausibility doesn’t disturb Haynes.
“It’s not like you’re a machine. Your brain activity is the physiological substance in which your personality and wishes and desires operate," he said.
The unease people feel at the potential unreality of free will, said National Institutes of Health neuroscientist Mark Hallett, originates in a misconception of self as separate from the brain.
“That’s the same notion as the mind being separate from the body — and I don’t think anyone really believes that," said Hallett. “A different way of thinking about it is that your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing."
Hallett doubts that free will exists as a separate, independent force.
“If it is, we haven’t put our finger on it," he said. “But we’re happy to keep looking.“
Left and Right buttons are one story, but thoughts and developed ideas like the ones used in this discussion were having cannot be decided. The brain does work in a specific way, but the complex thoughts and ideas we generate are not the product of random chemical reactions, are conciousness exists as instict, like button pressing, is not part of conciousness. But if one button said I believe in a reason for this choice, and the other said I beleive that the chemicals chose this, then this experiment would mean something.
KingBoo wrote:
Theists don’t need a religion, it simply means you belive in a God.
Atheits or Anti-Theists, believe in no greater power.
Me myself am just a theist, and God to me isn’t physical, it is not mass nor energy, it is the infinite mind behind reality, without it reality has no purpose, the laws of Science exist as they are for no reason, and ultimatly everything exists for nothing, everything is the way it is just because it is. Well, theres my philosophy, agree or disagree?
Disagree. Why is it you need a higher power to have a purpose? Okay, one thing I am a Nihilist, I don’t believe there IS a purpose to life, it’s just what you make it. So why exactly do you need purpose. Though I do agree theists don’t need religion.
Think of it this why, the specific laws of science, the different properties of different atoms, our MINDS! Do you really think these exist for no reason, that they just are what reality is? Or is there something that is un observable and uncomprehensible that gave truth to existence and laws on which reality is set on.
What do you mean by purpose? Do you mean we all have some plan to follow? Then no. If you mean biologically, it is to reproduce. See, the reason science, and atoms exist is because that is what happened as a result of the Big Bang I am guessing.
No, just why is reality the way it is. The Big Bang therory is that for all eternity, all the atoms in space have been collapsing into an absolute mass and then re-scattering, and this happens in a continuos cycle, if I were just a mere compilation of mindless atoms would I be talking to about this right now?
Actually it’s all chemical reactions in your brain that is causing you to react the way you are and do the things you do. What gives you a conciousness is something similar, Reality, is the way it is because....idk, it just is. No one knows WHY it is.
Either it just is or it was set the way it is. If you believe it wasn’t set then you beileve the reality of all existense, and what is real is just a reality of a reality. Laws have never changed nor not existed, they just have, and there has been infinite yous and mes because reality is just that, existence of everything is just a bunch of set laws...
Reality is merely how we percieve the universe. But yeah basically. Reality just is. Just like you probably think God just is.
God isn’t a person, it is a force that set how things are. Reality is everything that exists and how it exists, no one knows reality. Also, were does the chemical reaction in my brain start and how do I control these reactions? This answer scientists cannot find to this day and will never find it, the mind has no source, it goes on and on...
You don’t. You have the ILLUSION of control, but you have no actual control. It’s how the mind works. It’s source is simply chemicals and such. Nothing more. The mind dies.
So you can either beleive we have an illusion of control or free will, I don’t believe im typing this because thats just what the chemicals are doing.
The chemical reactions in your brain are making you think like that and responding in such a manner. Tell me how can you have free will when everything you do is based on expirence? You hesitate before jumping off something high because you know it could hurt you. That is an example. You don’t have free will. Simply a product of natural process at work.
The voices in my head that are telling me i’m right are just the chemicals? I can make my own choices and think of things that I have no experiences with, chemicals cannot generate complex thoughs, they can only generate instincts
This schematic shows the brain regions (green) from which the outcome of a participant’s decision can be predicted before it is made. Courtesy John-Dylan Haynes.
You may think you decided to read this story — but in fact, your brain made the decision long before you knew about it.
In a study published Sunday in Nature Neuroscience, researchers using brain scanners could predict people’s decisions seven seconds before the test subjects were even aware of making them.
The decision studied — whether to hit a button with one’s left or right hand — may not be representative of complicated choices that are more integrally tied to our sense of self-direction. Regardless, the findings raise profound questions about the nature of self and autonomy: How free is our will? Is conscious choice just an illusion?
“Your decisions are strongly prepared by brain activity. By the time consciousness kicks in, most of the work has already been done," said study co-author John-Dylan Haynes, a Max Planck Institute neuroscientist.
Haynes updated a classic experiment by the late Benjamin Libet, who showed that a brain region involved in coordinating motor activity fired a fraction of a second before test subjects chose to push a button. Later studies supported Libet’s theory that subconscious activity preceded and determined conscious choice — but none found such a vast gap between a decision and the experience of making it as Haynes' study has.
In the seven seconds before Haynes' test subjects chose to push a button, activity shifted in their frontopolar cortex, a brain region associated with high-level planning. Soon afterwards, activity moved to the parietal cortex, a region of sensory integration. Haynes' team monitored these shifting neural patterns using a functional MRI machine.
Taken together, the patterns consistently predicted whether test subjects eventually pushed a button with their left or right hand — a choice that, to them, felt like the outcome of conscious deliberation. For those accustomed to thinking of themselves as having free will, the implications are far more unsettling than learning about the physiological basis of other brain functions.
Caveats remain, holding open the door for free will. For instance, the experiment may not reflect the mental dynamics of other, more complicated decisions.
“Real-life decisions — am I going to buy this house or that one, take this job or that — aren’t decisions that we can implement very well in our brain scanners," said Haynes.
Also, the predictions were not completely accurate. Maybe free will enters at the last moment, allowing a person to override an unpalatable subconscious decision.
“We can’t rule out that there’s a free will that kicks in at this late point," said Haynes, who intends to study this phenomenon next. “But I don’t think it’s plausible."
That implausibility doesn’t disturb Haynes.
“It’s not like you’re a machine. Your brain activity is the physiological substance in which your personality and wishes and desires operate," he said.
The unease people feel at the potential unreality of free will, said National Institutes of Health neuroscientist Mark Hallett, originates in a misconception of self as separate from the brain.
“That’s the same notion as the mind being separate from the body — and I don’t think anyone really believes that," said Hallett. “A different way of thinking about it is that your consciousness is only aware of some of the things your brain is doing."
Hallett doubts that free will exists as a separate, independent force.
“If it is, we haven’t put our finger on it," he said. “But we’re happy to keep looking.“
Left and Right buttons are one story, but thoughts and developed ideas like the ones used in this discussion were having cannot be decided. The brain does work in a specific way, but the complex thoughts and ideas we generate are not the product of random chemical reactions, are conciousness exists as instict, like button pressing, is not part of conciousness. But if one button said I believe in a reason for this choice, and the other said I beleive that the chemicals chose this, then this experiment would mean something.
And you are a neuroscientist now? Did you not see how he said implausibility for free will? The fact that the brain sends a signal BEFORE the conciousness kicks in should tell you something.
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