some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
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some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
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some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
Genesis 2
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Its implied they were adults, you can’t avoid that much. Mentally children, you might have a point considering they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness. However, I doubt they would have the same impulses and lack of self control a child would have.
some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
Genesis 2
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Its implied they were adults, you can’t avoid that much. Mentally children, you might have a point considering they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness. However, I doubt they would have the same impulses and lack of self control a child would have.
Dude, I can totally see Adam poking at his junk and humping boulders. Hell, I bet he even sat in front of the water jets in the pool for hours at a time.
some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
Genesis 2
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Its implied they were adults, you can’t avoid that much. Mentally children, you might have a point considering they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness. However, I doubt they would have the same impulses and lack of self control a child would have.
Dude, I can totally see Adam poking at his junk and humping boulders. Hell, I bet he even sat in front of the water jets in the pool for hours at a time.
I doubt it.
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some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
Genesis 2
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Its implied they were adults, you can’t avoid that much. Mentally children, you might have a point considering they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness. However, I doubt they would have the same impulses and lack of self control a child would have.
Dude, I can totally see Adam poking at his junk and humping boulders. Hell, I bet he even sat in front of the water jets in the pool for hours at a time.
I doubt it.
Doubt all you like my friend, but you cannot doubt the possibility.
some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
Genesis 2
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Its implied they were adults, you can’t avoid that much. Mentally children, you might have a point considering they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness. However, I doubt they would have the same impulses and lack of self control a child would have.
They can’t have had knowledge of good and evil before eating from the tree of good and evil, that’s the bottom line. Even if God told them not to eat the fruit, they would have no idea disobeying him was wrong.
Khorib wrote:
Dude, I can totally see Adam poking at his junk and humping boulders. Hell, I bet he even sat in front of the water jets in the pool for hours at a time.
Yeh its funny because its true my dad went to the philippines and because the majority of the people are catholic, including my filipino relatives (not my family) this missionary was there n u know how they are. His sitting at the table talkin about jesus etc tryin to convert him, n of course my dad said 'u hav tunnel vision', n the missionary said wot u mean. It means u only see from ur perspective than from others u should listen more to wot other ppl hav to say. Also he kept blabbin about adam n eve, he created his image with clay out of his nose etc my dad said if 'god created all matter who created him n why would he need a nose at all'. Then he started goin about sayin see look at those ppl they are all happy because their christians, n my dad said 'yeh their smiling like a tiger whens its hungry' Then the missionary said do u want to see Magellan’s grave? And my dad said, 'nah I want to see Lapu Lapu’s grave' Then he said u know about the sun it rises and sets and my father said 'no it doesn’t the earth revolves around the sun'. Then the missionary said something about chips in dogs that in the future they will use them in human brains wtf of couse the same thing happen in Brunei with muslims said halle halle whatever every single time even on the plane and they sacrifice animals in their mosque. I mean if they want to do their religion thats ok but they shouldnt go around converting ppl they should mind their own business same with mormons. Problem with catholics they think about converting more souls into heaven its like they dont give a shit wot other ppl got to say. Thats why this show is so hilarious its like if he didnt say he was a atheist they wouldnt reacted at all. The missionary must of found out my dad was a buddhist from word from my grandmother because she’s a devout catholic
some one new offline wrote:
Isn’t that an insult to Atheists to an extent? Although he is the most rational and down to earth character he has his many characteristic vices, such as his drinking problem, occasional smoking problem, he is impulsive (e.g “Lois my darling *attempts to make out with her*", always quits things (like college, his many novels, relationships etc.) Its really funny, but (from a Christian perspective) it seems that Brian needs Jesus more than the rest of the family. What do you all think? In a show that uses steriotypes in their humor what is the image Family guy is making for Atheists.
How is that an insult?
Really, it’s a comedy show, and even then, everybody has vices. Brian is probably the most “human” character on that show, where he deals with love, addictions, rivalry, and all sorts of human problems amidst the horribly unrealistic, yet hilarious, situations of the rest of the cast.
some one new wrote:
A theist made a good point here.
A theist wrote:
My first part got cut off, I said he also could have been talking to angels. Pain and Suffering came from God, death was the fault of Adam, he made himself mortal. Its also interesting that Adam received the blame (rather than Eve) he received the commandment directly from God to not eat it, disobeying him it wasn’t merely eating the fruit. Rageoverdose made a good point in an earlier thread when he stated that God isn’t Omnipotent, but not completely correct (I think he goes to far with that idea). God is Almighty and can do all things for those who call on him and try to follow his will (but thats just it), but he can’t work with those who don’t follow his will. Before they ate the fruit they were pure and without sin (although they had the capacity). Living in paradise with a certain pureness to them, after they ate the fruit like I said before, sin contaminated (as so to speak) mankind, thats why its said that after God destroys this world he will give us new perfect bodies because the ones we have are “damaged goods”. Now Adam and Eve were outside of God’s will (his hedge of protection if you will) which eventually led to their demise.
God put the forbidden fruit in the reach of humans who knew no better. If a father left a loaded gun on the table and his 5 year old son accidentally shot his sister, would the son be responsible or the careless father?
That would be a valid point if Adam and Eve were five year old children. They were born adults and they knew better.
Except they didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Honestly, who’s to say that they weren’t kids? And if not physically, one could argue that they were certainly children mentally.
Genesis 2
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Its implied they were adults, you can’t avoid that much. Mentally children, you might have a point considering they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness. However, I doubt they would have the same impulses and lack of self control a child would have.
Dude, I can totally see Adam poking at his junk and humping boulders. Hell, I bet he even sat in front of the water jets in the pool for hours at a time.
I doubt it.
Doubt all you like my friend, but you cannot doubt the possibility.
heheh
That actually goes into another discussion I saw on history channel. In the garden of eden, which was essentially paradise, was there any sexual actions going on? Some people say yes because “whats paradise without sex?" other say no, because “true paradise wouldn’t require sex for pleasure” Not to mention I’m sure it said be fruitful and multiply after they discovered their nakedness and left the garden.
@ Shaun
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
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some one new offline wrote:
Isn’t that an insult to Atheists to an extent? Although he is the most rational and down to earth character he has his many characteristic vices, such as his drinking problem, occasional smoking problem, he is impulsive (e.g “Lois my darling *attempts to make out with her*", always quits things (like college, his many novels, relationships etc.) Its really funny, but (from a Christian perspective) it seems that Brian needs Jesus more than the rest of the family. What do you all think? In a show that uses steriotypes in their humor what is the image Family guy is making for Atheists.
How is that an insult?
Really, it’s a comedy show, and even then, everybody has vices. Brian is probably the most “human” character on that show, where he deals with love, addictions, rivalry, and all sorts of human problems amidst the horribly unrealistic, yet hilarious, situations of the rest of the cast.
The fact he is a dog is most ironic.
Well seth macfarlin himself said the point of family guy was to point a mirror at society and show how ugly it is. Its not all bout comedy, he’s trying to send a message.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
King Boo wrote:
Family Guy is supposed to be funny, and the characters are not supposed to be looked at so observationally. There not that deep of characters.
Am I the only one who saw the statement Macfarlin made about his purpose of making the show? Where he said he’s pointing a mirror at society, I find it funny that family guy was referrenced by you guys multiple times for making good points against Christianity (Christianity in a nutshell thread), but when I point out how he’s inadvertently proving atheist steriotypes you tell me I over analysing the show.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
King Boo wrote:
Family Guy is supposed to be funny, and the characters are not supposed to be looked at so observationally. There not that deep of characters.
Am I the only one who saw the statement Macfarlin made about his purpose of making the show? Where he said he’s pointing a mirror at society, I find it funny that family guy was referrenced by you guys multiple times for making good points against Christianity (Christianity in a nutshell thread), but when I point out how he’s inadvertently proving atheist steriotypes you tell me I over analysing the show.
He is hyperbolising for humour you dolt.
Also, since you won’t agree, I will pump myself up for battle with THIS.
, always quits things (like college, his many novels, relationships etc.) Its really funny, but (from a Christian perspective) it seems that Brian needs Jesus more than the rest of the family. What do you all think? In a show that uses steriotypes in their humor what is the image Family guy is making for Atheists.
