some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
So in the end it sounds like we are agreeing that they were mentally children.
Now, I find it funny where this is going. Apparently children are considered innocent and sin free because they still do not know the difference between good and evil (right and wrong), and therefore it is argued that children do not go to hell if they die young. However... God didn’t hesitate to damn Adam and Eve for their mistake, bringing death upon the world.
I think we are beginning to see a contradiction...?
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
So in the end it sounds like we are agreeing that they were mentally children.
Now, I find it funny where this is going. Apparently children are considered innocent and sin free because they still do not know the difference between good and evil (right and wrong), and therefore it is argued that children do not go to hell if they die young. However... God didn’t hesitate to damn Adam and Eve for their mistake, bringing death upon the world.
I think we are beginning to see a contradiction...?
I haven’t agreed they were mentally children I was trying to apply that people don’t need to have a understanding of why they shouldn’t do something to not do something (does that make sense). I was humoring the idea that they were children but it can be applied to adults as well. I read a book in my chinese class that some chinese people read before going to America. In the book it tells Chinese people to not say the “N” word (among other things) because they will be killed for saying it. Not really explaining why, “just don’t do it." My chinese teacher was very nervous about saying the wrong things before she came to America after she read the book. Adults can be told to do something and they can obey blindly as well.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
If Adam and Eve were obeying God blindly then how can he punish them for disobeying when they had no real understanding of why to obey? Why didn’t God give them a reason?
Why should knowledge of good and evil be sinful anyway? It seems to me the story of Adam and Eve exists only to encourage ignorance of important knowledge and instill a blind obedience to authority in people.
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
If Adam and Eve were obeying God blindly then how can he punish them for disobeying when they had no real understanding of why to obey? Why didn’t God give them a reason?
Why should knowledge of good and evil be sinful anyway? It seems to me the story of Adam and Eve exists only to encourage ignorance of important knowledge and instill a blind obedience to authority in people.
It wasn’t because God didn’t want them to have knowledge, it was simply because they disobeyed God. They didn’t eat from the tree until the serpent (who I still say was Satan) tempted them to eat it. So, its implied that they weren’t even thinking about the tree until that point.
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
If Adam and Eve were obeying God blindly then how can he punish them for disobeying when they had no real understanding of why to obey? Why didn’t God give them a reason?
Why should knowledge of good and evil be sinful anyway? It seems to me the story of Adam and Eve exists only to encourage ignorance of important knowledge and instill a blind obedience to authority in people.
It wasn’t because God didn’t want them to have knowledge, it was simply because they disobeyed God. They didn’t eat from the tree until the serpent (who I still say was Satan) tempted them to eat it. So, its implied that they weren’t even thinking about the tree until that point.
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
If Adam and Eve were obeying God blindly then how can he punish them for disobeying when they had no real understanding of why to obey? Why didn’t God give them a reason?
Why should knowledge of good and evil be sinful anyway? It seems to me the story of Adam and Eve exists only to encourage ignorance of important knowledge and instill a blind obedience to authority in people.
It wasn’t because God didn’t want them to have knowledge, it was simply because they disobeyed God. They didn’t eat from the tree until the serpent (who I still say was Satan) tempted them to eat it. So, its implied that they weren’t even thinking about the tree until that point.
You did not adress the bolded
They didn’t need what you all would call a “real reason”, like I said earlier people can obey someone without asking “why?" Regardless of their age etc.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
some one new wrote:
If they didn’t know disobedience was bad Eve wouldn’t have told the Serpent, that they weren’t supposed to eat it. Even then, its interesting to note that Adam is blamed for this and not Eve. Because he received the commandment directly from God and ate it anyways. The apocryphal book of Adam and Eve goes into more depth perhaps into the beliefs of the people who wrote Adam and Eve.
That would mean Adam and Eve would have had a sense of good and evil before they had a sense of good and evil. The reason Eve talked to the serpent as if she understood good and evil is not because there is a solution to this impossible logical paradox, but because the Bible is a load of complete bullshit written by a primitive bronze age tribe and is riddled with mistakes no God would make.
All there is to it, really.
Do you want to continue this some where else?
Not really, actually.
Well, you don’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know your not supposed to do something. Even if we go by the idea that they were kids, little children don’t have vast wisdom of good and evil but they do know that they are supposed to listen to their parents. A kid who knows that they aren’t supposed to put a fork in the toaster isn’t automatically endowed with knowledge of electrical engineering, and Eve didn’t need to have knowledge of good and evil to know that they weren’t supposed to eat the fruit off of the tree. Both are just doing what they were told.
A lot of kids don’t know they’re not supposed to put forks in toasters. But the fact that some of know that, if they do they’ll get electrocuted, means they have a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of knowledge about electricity. The same goes for Adam and Eve. No matter what, to have the indication that they should have obeyed God would not have desired a complete understanding of good and evil, but some idea of right and wrong must have been there.
Not every kid is inquisitive enough to ask “why?" when their parent tells them not to do something, a lot of them just obey them (blindly). Adam and Eve may not have been any different, God said don’t eat it so they didn’t eat it (until the serpent tempted them).
If Adam and Eve were obeying God blindly then how can he punish them for disobeying when they had no real understanding of why to obey? Why didn’t God give them a reason?
Why should knowledge of good and evil be sinful anyway? It seems to me the story of Adam and Eve exists only to encourage ignorance of important knowledge and instill a blind obedience to authority in people.
It wasn’t because God didn’t want them to have knowledge, it was simply because they disobeyed God. They didn’t eat from the tree until the serpent (who I still say was Satan) tempted them to eat it. So, its implied that they weren’t even thinking about the tree until that point.
You did not adress the bolded
They didn’t need what you all would call a “real reason”, like I said earlier people can obey someone without asking “why?" Regardless of their age etc.
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
death hadn’t entered the world until sin remember?
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
death hadn’t entered the world until sin remember?
Death of man.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
death hadn’t entered the world until sin remember?
Death of man.
Really now? If I remember correctly “The wages of sin is death."
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
death hadn’t entered the world until sin remember?
Death of man.
Really now? If I remember correctly “The wages of sin is death.“
Yes, man sinned and now is destined to die.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
death hadn’t entered the world until sin remember?
Death of man.
Really now? If I remember correctly “The wages of sin is death.“
Yes, man sinned and now is destined to die.
Unless they pull an Enoch or Elijah move.
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Sound DBZ logic cannot be destroyed; the efforts of the so-called super elite will always be in vain. Have at thee Krom!
Indalecio wrote:
Sure but why punish them if they do it? They don’t have a reason why.
Except the order God gave them.
And he didn’t give them a reason why. They didn’t even know what death was, so they could not understand it.
How do you know they didn’t know what death was?
Apparently God created them with some knowledge (just not of good and evil) seeing as they were born adults. They had to take care of a garden full of plants and animals chances are they may have seen death.
death hadn’t entered the world until sin remember?
Death of man.
Really now? If I remember correctly “The wages of sin is death.“
Yes, man sinned and now is destined to die.
So animals and stuff were killing each other in the Garden. Right?
